limits to vassalisation?

morfee · 31-03-2007, 22:25

I know as Austria I'm supposed to annex everyone in my core culture and my second accepted culture and vassalise the rest, but just for fun I am vassalising everyone. I currently have at least 16, 2 were peacefull, the rest from war.

Anyway I am trying to vassalise a couple more diplomatically, and after I meet all the other conditions and hit 200 it says Impossible. Why is this? Is there a limit how many vassals you can have before no-one else will diplo-vassal with you? (Similar to the alliance limit?)

Long term it will be interesting to see how this work. My vassal income is already higher than my census tax and I have no buildings to spend money on most of the time. It is hard to get CBs without a border but I sometimes take one province in a peace deal in hopes of gaining neighbour cores, and I can start picking on some non-religon countries and recover the stability within 2 years. I can forsee manpower limitations but as the ruler of the HRE with lots of nations it's nothing to worry about yet.

It will be interesting to see how much of the world I can subjugate this way.

PS - Do I get 1/4 of my vassals vassals income?

Baneslave · 31-03-2007, 22:49

You get half (50%) of your vassals monthly income. I don't know about annual income, though.

Daidoji Kaneda · 01-04-2007, 02:11

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Originally Posted by Baneslave

You get half (50%) of your vassals monthly income. I don't know about annual income, though.

From what I have seen, you get only monthly income...

Sometimes, you have to wait a long time before they can even think about being vassalized. Just keep good relations and wait...

NikkTheTrick · 01-04-2007, 03:52

Hmm... Maybe I should do a Russia AAR where I vassalize the planet? Orthodox + Deus Vult = stability-free DoW against almost anyone.

BzAli · 01-04-2007, 10:11

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Originally Posted by morfee

PS - Do I get 1/4 of my vassals vassals income?

Sine your vassal gets 50% of his vassals income, and you get 50% of your vassals income, then yes: 50% of 50% is 25%.

housea · 01-04-2007, 12:16

i played as russia once and vassalised france.
my income was about 29 gold per month after i vassalised...
however, when i looked at france at the ledger, her income was 30+..
how is it that france could have a higher monthly income than me if she was my vassal???

some questions...
does the ledger show income after minusing the gold given to overlord or before?
does vassaling give half monthly income or just half taxes income?

Varam · 01-04-2007, 12:42

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Originally Posted by NikkTheTrick

Hmm... Maybe I should do a Russia AAR where I vassalize the planet? Orthodox + Deus Vult = stability-free DoW against almost anyone.

After the patch arrives, I am going to try to do this as the Ming.

MHz · 01-04-2007, 17:29

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Originally Posted by housea

how is it that france could have a higher monthly income than me if she was my vassal???

A vassal gives only half of its monthly tax income, so no production income and no yearly census taxes.

alvya · 01-04-2007, 18:50

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Originally Posted by MHz

A vassal gives only half of its monthly tax income, so no production income and no yearly census taxes.

And no trade nor income for owned CoT.

morfee · 01-04-2007, 21:13

over 25 vassals so far and counting... It will be interesting to see how far I can carry this. I sure need to get my PE up to 50% to start clearing land for money, and I think I need to take DV as my 3rd NI so it's easier to expand outside the HRE. Half my provinces are unconnected to my capital due to vassals. France is way to scary but I wonder if I can pre-empt the English empire before it gets to big.

It's a bit of dance figuring out who to diplo-vassal while carefully picking military targets so that one DOW leads to 3 vassals due to allies.

BTW I did manage to diplo-vassal another target (Baden), so there is not a limit as I thought. I still need to figure why Brunswick was 'Impossible' in a very similar situation.

vercetti · 01-04-2007, 21:47

viceroys also applies to non-connected european provinces, not just colonies. it could become your best friend.

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Originally Posted by morfee

over 25 vassals so far and counting... It will be interesting to see how far I can carry this. I sure need to get my PE up to 50% to start clearing land for money, and I think I need to take DV as my 3rd NI so it's easier to expand outside the HRE. Half my provinces are unconnected to my capital due to vassals. France is way to scary but I wonder if I can pre-empt the English empire before it gets to big.

It's a bit of dance figuring out who to diplo-vassal while carefully picking military targets so that one DOW leads to 3 vassals due to allies.

BTW I did manage to diplo-vassal another target (Baden), so there is not a limit as I thought. I still need to figure why Brunswick was 'Impossible' in a very similar situation.

Slyspy · 01-04-2007, 22:15

Yes, Viceroy can be a great idea if you have lands (colonies or not) with no land connection to your capital. When as Ireland I inherited Poland I took Viceroys as my next idea and my income rocketed.

berhaven · 02-04-2007, 06:55

Well, I never thought of a vassallize-all-you-can as an economical sound policy. It can be good in the sense that your vassalls are not like to put you into unwanted wars, to avoid BB, to keep a compact population in terms of culture, but it's certainly not done for the penny.

morfee · 03-04-2007, 07:15

44 vassals now and I've got most of the HRE sown up. I prefer them to only have one province but I tolorate 2. ones with 3 or 4 I am considering releasing to attack and vassal as size 1. I'll have to figure out what to do with the larger eastern states though.

If I attack my vassals vassal will my vassal declare war on me or ignore it?

Is it possible to keep the Papal State as a vassal in Roma? I know if you own it directly you get an event to release it.

ddmarkm · 03-04-2007, 08:07

I have a question regarding Vassal income. In one game I vassalized a country (Milan, as Savoy), and it said I get half their monthly income, but then when I went to my financial screen the monthly budget deficit was the same as before. How come? And where exactly is the amount of vassal income listed?

morfee · 03-04-2007, 08:07

Hmmm.. Only 2 spots left on the HRE screen. I hope the game can handle more members than there are shadow slots.

morfee · 03-04-2007, 08:08

Hi, The half income is monthly, not yearly, so it goes straight into your investments. You can see how much it is in the ledger in the financial section.

ddmarkm · 03-04-2007, 08:11

So it just makes investment income higher? I wonder then why my monthly budget deficit was the same afterwards. But it would be nice if they showed vassal income separately.

morfee · 03-04-2007, 08:14

So the thing that took me a while to figure out at first was the monthly deficit. No matter how much more monthly income you add through expansion, buildings, trade, vassals, etc, it all goes into investments. The deficit scales with your expenses such as military upkeep. The only way to lower your montly deficit is to mint money which adds to inflation.

ddmarkm · 03-04-2007, 08:39

So if the monthly deficit stays the same after vassalizing someone, and the vassal doesn't affect year-end income, whats the point of getting half their income if it doesn't actually do anything? Does it at least speed up tech or something?

31-03-2007, 22:25	#1
morfee Sergeant Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 58	limits to vassalisation? I know as Austria I'm supposed to annex everyone in my core culture and my second accepted culture and vassalise the rest, but just for fun I am vassalising everyone. I currently have at least 16, 2 were peacefull, the rest from war. Anyway I am trying to vassalise a couple more diplomatically, and after I meet all the other conditions and hit 200 it says Impossible. Why is this? Is there a limit how many vassals you can have before no-one else will diplo-vassal with you? (Similar to the alliance limit?) Long term it will be interesting to see how this work. My vassal income is already higher than my census tax and I have no buildings to spend money on most of the time. It is hard to get CBs without a border but I sometimes take one province in a peace deal in hopes of gaining neighbour cores, and I can start picking on some non-religon countries and recover the stability within 2 years. I can forsee manpower limitations but as the ruler of the HRE with lots of nations it's nothing to worry about yet. It will be interesting to see how much of the world I can subjugate this way. PS - Do I get 1/4 of my vassals vassals income?

31-03-2007, 22:49	#2
Baneslave Silent Master of Holy Grail Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mikkeli, Finland Posts: 3,524	You get half (50%) of your vassals monthly income. I don't know about annual income, though. __________________ I am the core of my computer. Hardware is my body, and software is my blood. I have created over a thousand programs. Unknown to sleep. Nor known to light. Have withstood pain to create many programs. Yet, those hands will never play anything. So as I pray, "Unlimited Computer Works."

01-04-2007, 03:52	#4
NikkTheTrick Field Marshal Join Date: May 2004 Location: I really don't know Posts: 3,612	Hmm... Maybe I should do a Russia AAR where I vassalize the planet? Orthodox + Deus Vult = stability-free DoW against almost anyone. __________________ If you have problems with getting into Personal Unions in EUIII, adopt "keep your %@#$ in your pants" policy with regards to Royal marriages.

01-04-2007, 22:15	#12
Slyspy Captain Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 383	Yes, Viceroy can be a great idea if you have lands (colonies or not) with no land connection to your capital. When as Ireland I inherited Poland I took Viceroys as my next idea and my income rocketed. __________________ "Dress 'em in red, dress 'em in blue, the bastards'll run just the same."

02-04-2007, 06:55	#13
berhaven Colonel Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Duchy of Milan Posts: 1,115	Well, I never thought of a vassallize-all-you-can as an economical sound policy. It can be good in the sense that your vassalls are not like to put you into unwanted wars, to avoid BB, to keep a compact population in terms of culture, but it's certainly not done for the penny. __________________ Nemo propheta in Patria

01-04-2007, 12:16	#6
housea Corporal Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 46	i played as russia once and vassalised france. my income was about 29 gold per month after i vassalised... however, when i looked at france at the ledger, her income was 30+.. how is it that france could have a higher monthly income than me if she was my vassal??? some questions... does the ledger show income after minusing the gold given to overlord or before? does vassaling give half monthly income or just half taxes income?

01-04-2007, 21:13	#10
morfee Sergeant Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 58	over 25 vassals so far and counting... It will be interesting to see how far I can carry this. I sure need to get my PE up to 50% to start clearing land for money, and I think I need to take DV as my 3rd NI so it's easier to expand outside the HRE. Half my provinces are unconnected to my capital due to vassals. France is way to scary but I wonder if I can pre-empt the English empire before it gets to big. It's a bit of dance figuring out who to diplo-vassal while carefully picking military targets so that one DOW leads to 3 vassals due to allies. BTW I did manage to diplo-vassal another target (Baden), so there is not a limit as I thought. I still need to figure why Brunswick was 'Impossible' in a very similar situation.

03-04-2007, 07:15	#14
morfee Sergeant Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 58	44 vassals now and I've got most of the HRE sown up. I prefer them to only have one province but I tolorate 2. ones with 3 or 4 I am considering releasing to attack and vassal as size 1. I'll have to figure out what to do with the larger eastern states though. If I attack my vassals vassal will my vassal declare war on me or ignore it? Is it possible to keep the Papal State as a vassal in Roma? I know if you own it directly you get an event to release it.

03-04-2007, 08:07	#15
ddmarkm Second Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 148	I have a question regarding Vassal income. In one game I vassalized a country (Milan, as Savoy), and it said I get half their monthly income, but then when I went to my financial screen the monthly budget deficit was the same as before. How come? And where exactly is the amount of vassal income listed?

03-04-2007, 08:08	#17
morfee Sergeant Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 58	Hi, The half income is monthly, not yearly, so it goes straight into your investments. You can see how much it is in the ledger in the financial section.

03-04-2007, 08:11	#18
ddmarkm Second Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 148	So it just makes investment income higher? I wonder then why my monthly budget deficit was the same afterwards. But it would be nice if they showed vassal income separately.

03-04-2007, 08:14	#19
morfee Sergeant Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 58	So the thing that took me a while to figure out at first was the monthly deficit. No matter how much more monthly income you add through expansion, buildings, trade, vassals, etc, it all goes into investments. The deficit scales with your expenses such as military upkeep. The only way to lower your montly deficit is to mint money which adds to inflation.

03-04-2007, 08:39	#20
ddmarkm Second Lieutenant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 148	So if the monthly deficit stays the same after vassalizing someone, and the vassal doesn't affect year-end income, whats the point of getting half their income if it doesn't actually do anything? Does it at least speed up tech or something?