Engineers & crossing rivers

McClandish · 28-02-2007, 18:20

Hello all. Does anyone know if you have multiple Engineers in a your attack force does that provide extra battle assistance or speed in attacking across a river?
In other words if I have 5 Inf. divisions, do I only need 1 Engineer to negate or diminish the river penalty? Would there be any advantages to having multiple Eng. brigades attched to the 5 divisions?

Denniss · 28-02-2007, 18:43

They'll only affect the unit they are attached to. You need a leader with engineer trait to have all units affected regardless of engineer brigades attached or not.

HalfTon Midget · 28-02-2007, 18:44

each division gets hit with the river crossing penalty (-40% I believe) and the engineer brigade only reduces the penalty (20% AFAIK) for the division it is attached too

BlitzMartinDK · 28-02-2007, 20:32

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Originally Posted by HalfTon Midget

each division gets hit with the river crossing penalty (-40% I believe) and the engineer brigade only reduces the penalty (20% AFAIK) for the division it is attached too

..In DD penalty is different for different types of unit.. Inf -50 % ( reduced by 20 ) Mountain is 30% or 20% to start with...

And Speed for a unit is of course the speed of the slowest unit!

blue emu · 28-02-2007, 22:40

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Originally Posted by Denniss

They'll only affect the unit they are attached to.

Correct.

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Originally Posted by Denniss

You need a leader with engineer trait to have all units affected regardless of engineer brigades attached or not.

Almost true... an Engineer Leader gives his "bonus" (actually just a reduction in the River Crossing penalty, not a true bonus) to all of the units under his command. His 20% penalty-reduction is seperate from and cumulative with the 20% penalty-reduction from any attached Engineer brigades... so an Infantry Division which has an attached Engineer brigade would only face a -10% River Crossing penalty instead of the usual -50%, if being led by an Engineer Leader (-50% River Crossing, +20% for ENG brigade, +20% ENG Leader).

Bear in mind that a stack of vanilla (unbrigaded) Infantry will beat a constant-Manpower stack of Infantry-Engineers when attacking across a river. Eg: five unbrigaded Infantry Divisions (=50 Manpower) have more battle-winning ability than four Infantry-ENG Divisions (=50 Manpower)... even when the higher River Crossing penalty is included in the calculations.

McClandish · 01-03-2007, 02:31

Thank you for the replies, it is much appreciated. Blue emu, I thank you for details and clear explanation.

Lord Finnish · 01-03-2007, 09:21

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Originally Posted by Denniss

You need a leader with engineer trait to have all units affected regardless of engineer brigades attached or not.

Whoa that was new to me!

28-02-2007, 18:20	#1
McClandish Private Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 23	Engineers & crossing rivers Hello all. Does anyone know if you have multiple Engineers in a your attack force does that provide extra battle assistance or speed in attacking across a river? In other words if I have 5 Inf. divisions, do I only need 1 Engineer to negate or diminish the river penalty? Would there be any advantages to having multiple Eng. brigades attched to the 5 divisions?

28-02-2007, 18:43	#2
Denniss Captain Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 323	They'll only affect the unit they are attached to. You need a leader with engineer trait to have all units affected regardless of engineer brigades attached or not.

28-02-2007, 18:44	#3
HalfTon Midget First Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 276	each division gets hit with the river crossing penalty (-40% I believe) and the engineer brigade only reduces the penalty (20% AFAIK) for the division it is attached too

01-03-2007, 02:31	#6
McClandish Private Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 23	Thank you for the replies, it is much appreciated. Blue emu, I thank you for details and clear explanation.