Land you occupate.

[Martino]

When I take over land from a enemy, sometimes goes to one of my allies, while I as conqurer want it as my own. Thi shappens when that territory is adjuctant to the allied territory. This also happens when you liberate a country and release it as a puppet. This way in one game Albany became a major player while I freed al that land wel into russia.

This is a major game breaker. Maybe there could be a influence sfeer implemented, where you can decide with your allies who gets the freed territory.

gr Maarten

[BlueEmperor]

The land you conquer goes to whichever country supplied the attackers. If you want the territory to be yours, simply make sure you're the one supplying your forces.

[Martino]

I dont think albany suplied my troops when I released them as a puppet as US. They couldn't possibly supply my large force. So I don't think the land goed to whoever suplies the troops.
I think it goes to whatever country territory you come from and that sucks.

In HoI II you could implement a system that lets you decide what regions you want influence on. So if an ally conquers it, it wil be yours and vice versa (if that ally agrees on that your country want that influence) Just like Churchil and Stalin divided Europe in Influence spheres.

Or another idea could be to elect an overall commander on a cetain battlefield (Like Eisenhouwer for Europe) so that every conquered terrritory goed to that Generals nation.

This would better reflect a real world situation.

[maximusnukeage]

Originally Posted by Martino

I dont think albany suplied my troops when I released them as a puppet as US. They couldn't possibly supply my large force. So I don't think the land goed to whoever suplies the troops.
I think it goes to whatever country territory you come from and that sucks.

In HoI II you could implement a system that lets you decide what regions you want influence on. So if an ally conquers it, it wil be yours and vice versa (if that ally agrees on that your country want that influence) Just like Churchil and Stalin divided Europe in Influence spheres.

Or another idea could be to elect an overall commander on a cetain battlefield (Like Eisenhouwer for Europe) so that every conquered terrritory goed to that Generals nation.

This would better reflect a real world situation.

Eh.

[Martino]

Srry for my bad english.

But what im trying to say is that I would like to see a better system what decides wich country gets an occupied territory.

When I played as the US I freed occupied Albany from the germans. I liberated Albany and released them from being a puppet. Then I started to free Greece and Bulgaria. The freed territory went to Albany who annexed those countries.

Me as the one who freed those countries didn't want that to happen. I wanted to liberate them and release them from being puppets.

I am saying that in the real world that territory would be US occupied and not Albany occupied cause it where my forces that did the freeing;-)

Is it any clearer now?

gr Maarten

[GeneralHannibal]

Are they your puppet? Also, are you playing regular HOI2 or DD because I think DD (Doomsday) solves it.

[UltimaGecko]

Originally Posted by Martino

Srry for my bad english.

But what im trying to say is that I would like to see a better system what decides wich country gets an occupied territory.

When I played as the US I freed occupied Albany from the germans. I liberated Albany and released them from being a puppet. Then I started to free Greece and Bulgaria. The freed territory went to Albany who annexed those countries.

Me as the one who freed those countries didn't want that to happen. I wanted to liberate them and release them from being puppets.

I am saying that in the real world that territory would be US occupied and not Albany occupied cause it where my forces that did the freeing;-)

Is it any clearer now?

gr Maarten

If you happen to have that game saved, try conquering Bulgaria and Greece without your offensive starting in Albania (see if you can get Romania or something), and see if it still happens. There may be problems based on whose supplying the troops, the political conditions of the offensive's origin (if it's a puppet), and possible adjacent territorial claims.

Just as a note, when I see Albany I think of western New York. I believe the English equivalent of the country in question is Albania.

[Martino]

Your right Gecko, it's indeed Albania. My bad.

It doens't happen with puppets. only when you release them or if your on a an non puppet allied territory. For instance: if UK freed Athens and I started as US from there all the land I free goes to the UK. I believe I am stil supplying my own troops only trough UK occupied territory.

I am using HoI II DD btw.


I could have solved it by doing an amphibieus (spelling?) assault or if I didn't release Albania, but I feel it reflects the real world situation poorly.
HoI II has got a great region system. They could make use of that to appoint influence spheres.

So on forehand UK and US could make agreements on who leads on a certain parts of the battlefield. Or make use of an overall allied commanders and if that overal commander is from UK, the uK gets the land and if it's an US commander the US gets the land.

This way you could apoint severel commanders. Like Eisenhouwer for Freeing France and Germany from the west. UK Alexander for freeing Italie and up and someother dude for Asia. etc.

This system would greatly improve thing for me. Don't you guys agree?

[Myth]

I believe I am stil supplying my own troops only trough UK occupied territory.

if you are on a different country's land (and they're not a puppet), then THEY are supplying you, hence any conquests you make go to them. as for puppets, if it is your puppet then you trace a supply route through their territory and hence territory you take goes to you. if it is an allies' puppet then, iirc, it is again your ally's supplies and hence his conquests.

if you've released Albania (ie, it is your puppet), and you attack from it, I'm not sure why the land doesn't go you, as theoretically your supply line runs through it. probably something to do with a lack of your convoys running to Albania, forcing your puppet to supply you, in which case the land would indeed go to him.

[Martino]

How can you see that the released puppet suplies my forces, goes I sure don't see any impact on my suplie lines whatsoever. Albania could never supply my large force. So I think your incorrect.

The only way for another land to suplly my troops is if I send them as an expeditionary force. In any other case i stil have to supply them, I think.

Anyhow even if your right, I stil think my idea is better and makes the game more fun.

[Myth]

How can you see that the released puppet suplies my forces

when you click on an army, it tells you where it is drawing supplies from, if it is supplied from (in your case) Tirane, then the Albanians are supplying your troops.

Albania could never supply my large force

iirc, that's the game mechanic regardless of actual supply-producing capacity. this in the past has lead to ridiculous situations where Moscow was surrounded but Mongolia and Tannu Tuva supplied every Soviet division outside that one province.

The only way for another land to suplly my troops is if I send them as an expeditionary force

fairly sure that this is rather incorrect.

I stil think my idea is better and makes the game more fun.

iirc, historical precedent is with ths current system rather than your own.

[Martino]

historic precedent is more in the league of influence spheres.