Can you create puppet nations?

Dweomer · 20-08-2006, 18:43

What happens when you liberate a country? There are certain situations in which puppet nations can be very beneficial. It shouldn't be an event-only sort of thing. It's pretty easy in real life to find a group of people who support your country's ideology and put them on the throne.

Bob Ware · 20-08-2006, 19:40

He's not the only one who is interested in this.

JRShield · 20-08-2006, 21:23

What's the question?

Advantage:
-techteams working for you
-free units
-less TC drain

Disatvantage:
-dissent

Dweomer · 20-08-2006, 21:27

The question seems somewhat apparent to me... In any case, the question is: How do you create a puppet nation without an event?

JRShield · 20-08-2006, 21:31

go to the diplomacy screen and select the libirate nation option?

Raudsarw · 20-08-2006, 22:36

Liberated nations(Besides some event ones) are automatically puppets if not released.

JRShield · 20-08-2006, 22:41

well...

duh.

M79 · 20-08-2006, 23:24

Odd, every time I've liberated a nation they have only a military alliance with me that usually gets broken very quickly, nothing else. No tech advantage, few free units, etc. I had an Italian campaign that went very well and took over Europe from Germany and hoped to puppet most of the countries involved, but it was more effective to just keep them annexed...

BlueEmperor · 21-08-2006, 02:57

If you're not in an alliance, the nation you create will be your puppet but not allied to you.

M79 · 21-08-2006, 05:10

Ah, so going lone wolf as Italy has its price. If I ally with say Somalia will all my other puppets be allies from then on?

JRShield · 21-08-2006, 19:17

They will automaticly join you if you go to war IIRC

M79 · 21-08-2006, 21:43

The only warmonger left on my map was the USSR (I rule Europe in 1943 with 200+ belligerence and not enough navy to worry about the UK/US now). They have 600-700 divisions on my new Cold War border at the Vistula-Dniepr and I have 300. My tech is *much* better (I think they have infantry '39 or 41, mine are '45 and I have 45-50 units of semi-modern tanks not counting the queue), though I just built a lvl 2 reactor and don't want war before being able to light their way to heaven.

Yankee112 · 22-08-2006, 05:14

If you annexed all of Europe that's an AWFUL lot of non-core provinces. You must get almost daily partisan troubles and I cannot imagine what your TC looks like. Depending on your successes, there are plenty of nice Puppets in Europe - the Germans (dunno which you can liberate as ITA) and especially Scandinavia. Nat Spain is also essential as it doesn't really make you lose you any IC.

And without a navy I'm having a hard time imagining how you could annex France / Vichy France ??

JRShield · 22-08-2006, 10:54

He never said anything about annexing...

M79 · 22-08-2006, 18:25

Actually he's right, I annexed the whole of Continental Europe outside of Switzerland, Spain, Belgium, and upper Scandinavia. Vichy France wasn't hard to annex, I already had Turkey so those troops went into Syria/Lebanon while other troops from Libya headed for Morocco, most of the rest of western Africa is Free French. The bulk of the force went from Turin towards Marseille and Vichy itself, the whole campaign took about a month. Madagascar is not a core province so it was free and much of the rest of old France is ruled by De Gaulle from South America.

I overran Yugoslavia, Albania, Greece, and Turkey before the war, then let Germany run loose and do most of the dirty work. I never joined the Axis and sent supplies by blocks of 10,000 to the USSR and let them slaughter each other. When Moscow was under threat I let the AI invade and "liberate" most of Europe with minimal trouble (it kept crashing when I hit Calais for some reason) except for the Belgian vultures who took over much of northwestern Germany. For whatever reason any puppets I create are not very friendly to me, they produce very few units even when the USSR is massing troops on the border so I don't bother liberating anyone on the Continent anymore. As for partisans, they're not nearly as bad as you might think, especially because Italy in this timeline isn't fascist but a mild Social Conservative. Those core provinces were a mess but once Germany ran out of them the rest fell into place quickly, and my empire runs from Copenhagen to Chad, from Morocco to Manzikert, and from the Vistula to Vichy. I'm tempted to let the USSR live until they're into the Urals and see if I can take the whole of the USSR too, but that won't be for at least four months.

20-08-2006, 18:43	#1
Dweomer Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 183	Can you create puppet nations? What happens when you liberate a country? There are certain situations in which puppet nations can be very beneficial. It shouldn't be an event-only sort of thing. It's pretty easy in real life to find a group of people who support your country's ideology and put them on the throne.

20-08-2006, 21:23	#3
JRShield Generalfeldmarschall Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Haarlem, the Netherlands Posts: 748	What's the question? Advantage: -techteams working for you -free units -less TC drain Disatvantage: -dissent __________________ Een soldaat doet zijn plicht Generaal Winkelman Loving C.O.R.E.2 The scale of Stalin's purging of Red Army officers was exceptional - 90% of all generals and 80% of all colonels were killed. This included 3 out of 5 Marshals, 13 out of 15 Army commanders, 57 of 85 Corps commanders, 110 of 195 divisional commanders and 220 of 406 brigade commanders as well as all commanders of military districts. (pg 195, Carell, P. (1964) Hitler's War on Russia - The Story of the German Defeat in the East. translated from German by Ewald Osers, B.I. Publications New Delhi, 1974 (first Indian edition).

20-08-2006, 21:31	#5
JRShield Generalfeldmarschall Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Haarlem, the Netherlands Posts: 748	go to the diplomacy screen and select the libirate nation option? __________________ Een soldaat doet zijn plicht Generaal Winkelman Loving C.O.R.E.2 The scale of Stalin's purging of Red Army officers was exceptional - 90% of all generals and 80% of all colonels were killed. This included 3 out of 5 Marshals, 13 out of 15 Army commanders, 57 of 85 Corps commanders, 110 of 195 divisional commanders and 220 of 406 brigade commanders as well as all commanders of military districts. (pg 195, Carell, P. (1964) Hitler's War on Russia - The Story of the German Defeat in the East. translated from German by Ewald Osers, B.I. Publications New Delhi, 1974 (first Indian edition).

20-08-2006, 22:41	#7
JRShield Generalfeldmarschall Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Haarlem, the Netherlands Posts: 748	well... duh. __________________ Een soldaat doet zijn plicht Generaal Winkelman Loving C.O.R.E.2 The scale of Stalin's purging of Red Army officers was exceptional - 90% of all generals and 80% of all colonels were killed. This included 3 out of 5 Marshals, 13 out of 15 Army commanders, 57 of 85 Corps commanders, 110 of 195 divisional commanders and 220 of 406 brigade commanders as well as all commanders of military districts. (pg 195, Carell, P. (1964) Hitler's War on Russia - The Story of the German Defeat in the East. translated from German by Ewald Osers, B.I. Publications New Delhi, 1974 (first Indian edition).

21-08-2006, 19:17	#11
JRShield Generalfeldmarschall Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Haarlem, the Netherlands Posts: 748	They will automaticly join you if you go to war IIRC __________________ Een soldaat doet zijn plicht Generaal Winkelman Loving C.O.R.E.2 The scale of Stalin's purging of Red Army officers was exceptional - 90% of all generals and 80% of all colonels were killed. This included 3 out of 5 Marshals, 13 out of 15 Army commanders, 57 of 85 Corps commanders, 110 of 195 divisional commanders and 220 of 406 brigade commanders as well as all commanders of military districts. (pg 195, Carell, P. (1964) Hitler's War on Russia - The Story of the German Defeat in the East. translated from German by Ewald Osers, B.I. Publications New Delhi, 1974 (first Indian edition).

20-08-2006, 19:40	#2
Bob Ware Corporal Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 35	He's not the only one who is interested in this.

20-08-2006, 21:27	#4
Dweomer Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 183	The question seems somewhat apparent to me... In any case, the question is: How do you create a puppet nation without an event?

20-08-2006, 22:36	#6
Raudsarw Second Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 133	Liberated nations(Besides some event ones) are automatically puppets if not released.

20-08-2006, 23:24	#8
M79 First Lieutenant Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 224	Odd, every time I've liberated a nation they have only a military alliance with me that usually gets broken very quickly, nothing else. No tech advantage, few free units, etc. I had an Italian campaign that went very well and took over Europe from Germany and hoped to puppet most of the countries involved, but it was more effective to just keep them annexed...

21-08-2006, 02:57	#9
BlueEmperor Honorary Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,020	If you're not in an alliance, the nation you create will be your puppet but not allied to you.

21-08-2006, 05:10	#10
M79 First Lieutenant Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 224	Ah, so going lone wolf as Italy has its price. If I ally with say Somalia will all my other puppets be allies from then on?

21-08-2006, 21:43	#12
M79 First Lieutenant Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 224	The only warmonger left on my map was the USSR (I rule Europe in 1943 with 200+ belligerence and not enough navy to worry about the UK/US now). They have 600-700 divisions on my new Cold War border at the Vistula-Dniepr and I have 300. My tech is much better (I think they have infantry '39 or 41, mine are '45 and I have 45-50 units of semi-modern tanks not counting the queue), though I just built a lvl 2 reactor and don't want war before being able to light their way to heaven.

22-08-2006, 05:14	#13
Yankee112 Sergeant Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 86	If you annexed all of Europe that's an AWFUL lot of non-core provinces. You must get almost daily partisan troubles and I cannot imagine what your TC looks like. Depending on your successes, there are plenty of nice Puppets in Europe - the Germans (dunno which you can liberate as ITA) and especially Scandinavia. Nat Spain is also essential as it doesn't really make you lose you any IC. And without a navy I'm having a hard time imagining how you could annex France / Vichy France ??

22-08-2006, 10:54	#14
JRShield Generalfeldmarschall Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Haarlem, the Netherlands Posts: 748	He never said anything about annexing... __________________ Een soldaat doet zijn plicht Generaal Winkelman Loving C.O.R.E.2 The scale of Stalin's purging of Red Army officers was exceptional - 90% of all generals and 80% of all colonels were killed. This included 3 out of 5 Marshals, 13 out of 15 Army commanders, 57 of 85 Corps commanders, 110 of 195 divisional commanders and 220 of 406 brigade commanders as well as all commanders of military districts. (pg 195, Carell, P. (1964) Hitler's War on Russia - The Story of the German Defeat in the East. translated from German by Ewald Osers, B.I. Publications New Delhi, 1974 (first Indian edition).

22-08-2006, 18:25	#15
M79 First Lieutenant Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 224	Actually he's right, I annexed the whole of Continental Europe outside of Switzerland, Spain, Belgium, and upper Scandinavia. Vichy France wasn't hard to annex, I already had Turkey so those troops went into Syria/Lebanon while other troops from Libya headed for Morocco, most of the rest of western Africa is Free French. The bulk of the force went from Turin towards Marseille and Vichy itself, the whole campaign took about a month. Madagascar is not a core province so it was free and much of the rest of old France is ruled by De Gaulle from South America. I overran Yugoslavia, Albania, Greece, and Turkey before the war, then let Germany run loose and do most of the dirty work. I never joined the Axis and sent supplies by blocks of 10,000 to the USSR and let them slaughter each other. When Moscow was under threat I let the AI invade and "liberate" most of Europe with minimal trouble (it kept crashing when I hit Calais for some reason) except for the Belgian vultures who took over much of northwestern Germany. For whatever reason any puppets I create are not very friendly to me, they produce very few units even when the USSR is massing troops on the border so I don't bother liberating anyone on the Continent anymore. As for partisans, they're not nearly as bad as you might think, especially because Italy in this timeline isn't fascist but a mild Social Conservative. Those core provinces were a mess but once Germany ran out of them the rest fell into place quickly, and my empire runs from Copenhagen to Chad, from Morocco to Manzikert, and from the Vistula to Vichy. I'm tempted to let the USSR live until they're into the Urals and see if I can take the whole of the USSR too, but that won't be for at least four months.