Victoria Revolutions - Treaty of Guadelope Hildago

[Mazza]

I was just playing Vicky Revolutions as Mexico. I went to war with the United States over Texas, and managed (by the skin of my teeth and a +7% warscore) to get the United States to agree to a white peace (which left me in control of all of Texas but Austin, and Texas' former colonies). As I was in the midst of my celebrations, however, an event appeared with no text and no other option but to accept a treaty with the US whereby I ceded all of California, Arizona, Texas, etc, all the states above the modern US-Mexico border, to the United States. I didn't even have the option to fight yet another war to defend what I had just defended! Has anybody else had this event, and does anybody know how to avoid it?

[OHgamer]

Originally Posted by Mazza

I was just playing Vicky Revolutions as Mexico. I went to war with the United States over Texas, and managed (by the skin of my teeth and a +7% warscore) to get the United States to agree to a white peace (which left me in control of all of Texas but Austin, and Texas' former colonies). As I was in the midst of my celebrations, however, an event appeared with no text and no other option but to accept a treaty with the US whereby I ceded all of California, Arizona, Texas, etc, all the states above the modern US-Mexico border, to the United States. I didn't even have the option to fight yet another war to defend what I had just defended! Has anybody else had this event, and does anybody know how to avoid it?

Odd that should only fire when you lose the war, not if you win (which in the case of you having a +7 warscore I'd have thought would have been considered a win by the game engine.

And there should have been text, did you get anything like EVENT_####_DESC or was it completely blank?

[Kriegsspieler]

Originally Posted by OHgamer

Odd that should only fire when you lose the war, not if you win (which in the case of you having a +7 warscore I'd have thought would have been considered a win by the game engine.

And there should have been text, did you get anything like EVENT_####_DESC or was it completely blank?

He didn't win. He accepted a white peace. That's why it triggered.
Next time, you've got to thrash those Yanquis!

[Lützow]

IIRC and nothing has changed in V:R, if you start the war and get white peace, no matter the score, you are the looser.

[Medvedyk]

I'd just like to say that i am officialy obsolete: 1.03c with almost no chance of any soon improvements.
Sorry for this off-topic post.

[Kriegsspieler]

Originally Posted by Medvedyk

I'd just like to say that i am officialy obsolete: 1.03c with almost no chance of any soon improvements.
Sorry for this off-topic post.

Why not d-load the 1.04 patch? It's much better than 1.03c

[Medvedyk]

I own a Polish version of the game. And 1.03c is as good as it gets for now

The Paradox titles are something i want to have legaly (and boxed if possible).
Guess i'll wait for the local distributor of the games to come up with a compatible Polish versions of the patches and maybe even Revolutions add-on. But i guess it will take a century or two to get it done...

[Kriegsspieler]

Originally Posted by Medvedyk

I own a Polish version of the game. And 1.03c is as good as it gets for now

The Paradox titles are something i want to have legaly (and boxed if possible).
Guess i'll wait for the local distributor of the games to come up with a compatible Polish versions of the patches and maybe even Revolutions add-on. But i guess it will take a century or two to get it done...

It might be worth investing in a copy of the English version, if you have the money. But I understand your dilemma. Why spend money buying something you already own?

[Mazza]

Originally Posted by Kriegsspieler

He didn't win. He accepted a white peace. That's why it triggered.
Next time, you've got to thrash those Yanquis!

Reloaded from the autosave, beat them by demanding tribute (I didn't actually ask them for anything but I pressed the demand tribute button at the start of the peace settlement screen). Didn't lose all of Mexico which is part of the modern day USA. Did go bankrupt 2 days later though

[OHgamer]

tested this and I am not able to duplicate any issues with the text for this event. You should get the following event text as MEX for this :

"During the recent peace negotiations the Americans suggested they would be interested in purchasing the remainder of our lands in California and New Mexico. Should we accept their offer?."

The text is located in newtext.csv I am assuming you downloaded the expansion directly over where Victoria is on your HD, but if for some reason you did download to a separate location and did a manual file override, then make sure you have this newtext.csv file, as it has the event text (and other things) that are needed for revolutions.

Otherwise I really can't duplicate the text issue you raise. as for the reason it fired, others have suggested reasons, I do know that the event requires the USA to have won war over MEX for it to fire, so if you do achieve an actual victory over the USA it will not fire.

[Mazza]

The USA didn't need an actual victory though, it just had a white peace with me. How is a Mexican player to know that before they've checked the file? And while this event is fine for the AI, why should a human player be forced to give up all that territory with a click of the button without even the chance to fight to keep it?

Edited to mention that the installer didn't give me a choice as to where it installed the software, it just installed Revolutions on top of my Vicky install, and everything is working fine. I didn't copy the files in manually.

[OHgamer]

Originally Posted by Mazza

The USA didn't need an actual victory though, it just had a white peace with me. How is a Mexican player to know that before they've checked the file? And while this event is fine for the AI, why should a human player be forced to give up all that territory with a click of the button without even the chance to fight to keep it?

Edited to mention that the installer didn't give me a choice as to where it installed the software, it just installed Revolutions on top of my Vicky install, and everything is working fine. I didn't copy the files in manually.

Well, the theory is the event only fires if USA wins. the idea is that you've lost the war and already given up some territory, now the USA is willing to buy the rest (and give you a nice amount of money for it). Assuming MEX player has been defeated and accepted the loss, re-starting the war really did not seem like a potential option, though it should have (esp if the thing is gonna fire in a white peace situation). In the end the event should really not be firing in a white peace situation, and that was definitely not the idea behind the event.

Well back to the drawing board yet again on this.

[madogvelkor]

Originally Posted by OHgamer

Well, the theory is the event only fires if USA wins. the idea is that you've lost the war and already given up some territory, now the USA is willing to buy the rest (and give you a nice amount of money for it). Assuming MEX player has been defeated and accepted the loss, re-starting the war really did not seem like a potential option, though it should have (esp if the thing is gonna fire in a white peace situation). In the end the event should really not be firing in a white peace situation, and that was definitely not the idea behind the event.

Well back to the drawing board yet again on this.

It might be nice if there was an option to refuse the treaty, but with a relation penalty between the two contries. Perhaps increase militancy for pops in any Texas and California territory that Mexico owns.

I think the treaty is a really great thing, and I'm glad it's been put in there. I got a little tired of the AI controlled US and Mexico fighting 5 wars where the US invades 80% of Mexico, but only takes a little bit of land. Thus ensuring the US will attack again to get what the AI sees as core US territory.

[Walen]

If you are DoWed and get a white peace you win the war. If it is you to Dow and get a white peace you are considered as lost the war. But if you manage to get any territory or even idemnities you will be considered a victor. Try to prolonge the war a bit further and wait for an acceptable offer from the US while spamming your own offers.