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MP Generals Through the Ages

I used data from Tonioz' site to compile this comparative ranking of leaders in typical MP countries in 20 year snapshots from 1419 to 1819.

To do: add leader birth and death dates, formatting.

------- sorted by shock till 1600 -------

1419-1439

1. Henry V (England) 5/6/5/1
2. Richemont (France) 5/5/5/1
3. Carmagnola (Venice) 5/4/5/1
4. Pereira (Portugal) 4/4/5/0
5. Talbot (England) 5/6/4/1
6. Gilles de Rais (France) 4/4/4/1
7. Dunois (France) 4/4/4/1
8. Álvaro de Luna (Castile) 4/3/4/0
9. Gattamaleta (Venice) 4/3/4/0
10. Beauchamp (England) 3/4/4/0
11. Murâd II (Ottomans) 3/3/4/1
12. Dmitry Shemiaka (Muscowy) 3/3/4/0
13. Yuri Patrikeev (Muscowy) 3/3/4/0

Henry V dominates, while France, Venice, Portugal all have strong positions with Castile and Muscowy making appearances.

1439-1459

1. Richemont (France) 5/5/5/1
2. Mehmed II (Ottomans) 5/6/4/2
3. Talbot (England) 5/6/4/1
4. Warwick (England) 5/5/4/0
5. Gilles de Rais (France) 4/4/4/1
6. Dunois (France) 4/4/4/1
7. Fedor Basenok (Muscowy) 4/3/4/0
8. Álvaro de Luna (Castile) 4/3/4/0
9. Gattamaleta (Venice) 4/3/4/0
10. Beauchamp (England) 3/4/4/0
11. Murâd II (Ottomans) 3/3/4/1
12. Dmitry Shemiaka (Muscowy) 3/3/4/0
13. Yuri Patrikeev (Muscowy) 3/3/4/0
14. York (England) 3/2/4/0
15. Ivan Obolenski-Striga (Muscowy) 3/2/4/0

Ottomans, France, England, Muscowy, Venice, and Castile with the best leaders here.

1459-1479

1. Mehmed II (Ottomans) 5/6/4/2
2. Mocenigo (Venice) 5/5/4/0
3. Warwick (England) 5/5/4/0
4. Dunois (France) 4/4/4/1
5. Fedor Basenok (Muscowy) 4/3/4/0
6. Norfolk (England) 3/3/4/0
7. York (England) 3/2/4/0
8. Ivan Obolenski-Striga (Muscowy) 3/2/4/0

The quality of leadership declines somewhat overall in this period with England and Muscowy dominating while France stands behind Dunois.

1479-1499

1. Alfonso de Albuquerque (Portugal) (Conquistador) 5/5/5/0
2. Von Frundsberg (Austria) 3/4/5/2
3. Mehmed II (Ottomans) 5/6/4/2
4. El Gran Capitán (Spain) 4/6/4/0
5. Norfolk (England) 3/3/4/0
6. Foix (France) 3/2/4/0

The Hapsburgs take positions of advantage while Portugal fields an outstanding conquistador.

1499-1519

1. Hernán Cortés (Spain) (Conquistador) 6/5/5/1
2. Almeida (Portugal) (Conquistador) 6/4/5/2
3. Correos (Portugal) (Conquistador) 5/5/5/0
4. Alfonso de Albuquerque (Portugal) (Conquistador) 5/5/5/0
5. Von Frundsberg (Austria) 3/4/5/2
6. Selîm I Yavuz (Ottomans) 5/5/4/1
7. El Gran Capitán (Spain) 4/6/4/0
8. Otto Krumpen (Denmark) 4/4/4/0
9. Mihail Glinski (Muscowy) 4/3/4/1
10. Pierre Bayard (France) 4/2/4/1
11. Norfolk (England) 3/3/4/0
12. Bali (Ottomans) 4/1/4/0
13. Foix (France) 3/2/4/0

Spain and Portugal command conquistadors while Frundsberg continues to dominate Europe.

1519-1539

1. Hernán Cortés (Spain) (Conquistador) 6/5/5/1
2. Almeida (Portugal) (Conquistador) 6/4/5/2
3. Correos (Portugal) (Conquistador) 5/5/5/0
5. Von Frundsberg (Austria) 3/4/5/2
5. Duque de Alba (Spain) 4/4/5/0
6. Selîm I Yavuz (Ottomans) 5/5/4/1
7. Francisco Pizarro (Spain) (Conquistador) 5/4/4/1
8. Otto Krumpen (Denmark) 4/4/4/0
9. Mihail Glinski (Muscowy) 4/3/4/1
10. Pedro de Mendoza (Spain) (Conquistador) 4/3/4/0
11. Tarnowski (Poland) 4/2/4/1
12. Pierre Bayard (France) 4/2/4/1
13. Norfolk (England) 3/3/4/0
14. Gazi Husrev (Ottomans) 3/3/4/0
15. Bali (Ottomans) 4/1/4/0
16. Guise (France) 2/2/4/1
17. Süleymân I Kanuni (Ottomans) 4/5/3/2

With conquistadors in the colonies and Alba at home, Spain begins to dominate. Selim and Suleyman expand the Ottoman Empire.

1539-1559

1. Hernán Cortés (Spain) (Conquistador) 6/5/5/1
2. Mem da Sa (Portugal) (Conquistador) 5/4/5/2
3. Duque de Alba (Spain) 4/4/5/0
4. Francisco Pizarro (Spain) (Conquistador) 5/4/4/1
5. Vorotinski (Russia) 5/3/4/1
6. Tarnowski (Poland) 4/2/4/1
7. Gazi Husrev (Ottomans) 3/3/4/0
8. Alcibiades (Brandenburg) 3/2/4/1
9. Bali (Ottomans) 4/1/4/0
10. Guise (France) 2/2/4/1
11. Süleymân I Kanuni (Ottomans) 4/5/3/2

Alba is unstoppable in western europe while Tarnowski and Vorotinski shed blood in the east and the Ottomans enjoy a leader advantage over the Austrian nemesis.

1559-1579

1. Yermak (Russia) (Conquistador) 5/6/6/0
2. Alessandro Farnese (Spain) 3/4/6/1
3. Mem da Sa (Portugal) (Conquistador) 5/4/5/2
4. Stephen Báthory (Poland) 5/3/5/1
5. Duque de Alba (Spain) 4/4/5/0
6. Daniel Rantzau (Denmark) 3/4/5/0
7. Vorotinski (Russia) 5/3/4/1
8. Krzystof Radziwill (Poland) 4/3/4/0
9. Tarnowski (Poland) 4/2/4/1
10. P. de la Gardie (Sweden) 4/2/4/1
11. D. Juan de Austria (Spain) 2/4/4/0
12. Ivan Petrov (Russia) (Conquistador) 2/3/4/0
13. Guise (France) 2/2/4/1
14. Lala Mustapha (Ottomans) 2/2/4/0
15. Süleymân I Kanuni (Ottomans) 4/5/3/2
16. William of Orange (Netherlands) 4/3/3/1
17. Karl Horn (Sweden) 3/4/3/1

Farnese trades off with Alba and Denmark has Rantzau.

1579-1599

1. Yermak (Russia) (Conquistador) 5/6/6/0
2. Alessandro Farnese (Spain) 3/4/6/1
3. Maurice of Nassau (Netherlands) 4/5/5/1
4. Stephen Báthory (Poland) 5/3/5/1
5. Duque de Alba (Spain) 4/4/5/0
6. Raleigh (England) (Conquistador) 5/4/4/0
7. Krzystof Radziwill (Poland) 4/3/4/0
8. P. de la Gardie (Sweden) 4/2/4/1
9. Henry IV (France) 2/4/4/0
10. Karl (Austria) 3/2/4/0
11. Zamojski (Poland) 3/2/4/0
12. Guise (France) 2/2/4/1
13. Lala Mustapha (Ottomans) 2/2/4/0
14. William of Orange (Netherlands) 4/3/3/1
15. Karl Horn (Sweden) 3/4/3/1

------- sorted by overall till 1700 -------

1599-1619

1. Gustav II Adolf (Sweden) 6/6/5/1
2. Maurice of Nassau (Netherlands) 4/5/5/1
3. Raleigh (England) (Conquistador) 5/4/4/0
4. von Wallenstein (Austria) 4/4/4/1
5. Ambrogio Spinola (Spain) 3/5/4/1
6. Coen (Netherlands) (Conquistador) 4/4/3/1
7. Chodkiewicz (Poland) 4/3/5/0
8. Evert Horn (Sweden) 3/4/3/2
9. Zolkiewski (Poland) 4/3/4/0
10. Skopin-Shuiski (Russia) 4/3/4/0
11. Krzystof Radziwill (Poland) 4/3/4/0
12. Sigismund III (Poland) 4/3/4/0
13. Champlain (France) (Conquistador) 3/4/4/0
14. Karl Horn (Sweden) 3/4/3/1
15. Pappenheim (Austria) 3/3/4/1

Sweden and Netherlands dominate.

1619-1639

1. Gustav II Adolf (Sweden) 6/6/5/1
1. Turenne (France) 5/5/5/1
2. Torstensson (Sweden) 5/5/4/2
3. Banér (Sweden) 5/4/5/1
2. Maurice of Nassau (Netherlands) 4/5/5/1
4. von Wallenstein (Austria) 4/4/4/1
5. Nassau-Siegen (Netherlands) (Conquistador) 4/4/3/2
6. Ambrogio Spinola (Spain) 3/5/4/1
7. Königsmarck (Sweden) 6/2/4/0
8. Koniecpolski (Poland) 5/2/5/0
9. Karl Gustav Wrangel (Sweden) 4/4/3/1
10. Montecuccoli (Austria) 4/4/3/1
11. Piccolomini (Austria) 4/4/3/1
12. Coen (Netherlands) (Conquistador) 4/4/3/1
13. Chodkiewicz (Poland) 4/3/5/0
14. Bernhard (Sweden) 3/4/4/1
15. Fairfax (England) 3/4/4/1
16. Arciszewski (Poland) (Conquistador) 5/3/2/1
17. Wittenberg (Sweden) 4/4/3/0
18. Zolkiewski (Poland) 4/3/4/0
19. Fernando de Austria (Spain) 4/3/3/1
20. Champlain (France) 3/4/4/0
21. Hannibal Sehested (Denmark) 3/3/5/0
22. Pappenheim (Austria) 3/3/4/1

France and Sweden take center stage among the many remarkable leaders in this era.

1639-1659

1. Turenne (France) 5/5/5/1
2. Torstensson (Sweden) 5/5/4/2
3. Banér (Sweden) 5/4/5/1
4. Morosini (Venice) 4/5/4/2
5. Karl X Gustav (Sweden) 5/4/4/1
6. Cromwell (England) 4/5/5/0
7. Nassau-Siegen (Netherlands) (Conquistador) 4/4/3/2
8. Königsmarck (Sweden) 6/2/4/0
9. Koniecpolski (Poland) 5/2/5/0
10. Erofey Khabarov (Russia) (Conquistador) 4/4/4/0
11. Karl Gustav Wrangel (Sweden) 4/4/3/1
12. Montecuccoli (Austria) 4/4/3/1
13. Piccolomini (Austria) 4/4/3/1
14. Czarniecki (Poland) 4/3/5/0
15. Bernhard (Sweden) 3/4/4/1
16. Fairfax (England) 3/4/4/1
17. von Derfflinger (Brandenburg) 3/4/3/2
18. Wittenberg (Sweden) 4/4/3/0
19. Condé (France) 4/3/4/0
20. Prince Rupert (England) 4/3/4/0
21. von Ascheberg (Sweden) 4/3/4/0
22. Fernando de Austria (Spain) 4/3/3/1
23. von Derfflinger (Prussia) 3/4/3/1
24. Hannibal Sehested (Denmark) 3/3/5/0

1659-1679

1. Turenne (France) 5/5/5/1
2. Morosini (Venice) 4/5/4/2
3. Karl X Gustav (Sweden) 5/4/4/1
4. Nassau-Siegen (Netherlands) (Conquistador) 4/4/3/2
5. Montecuccoli (Austria) 4/4/3/1
6. Czarniecki (Poland) 4/3/5/0
7. Luxembourg (France) 4/3/4/1
8. Köprölö Fazil Ahmed (Ottomans) 4/3/4/1
9. Fairfax (England) 3/4/4/1
10. von Derfflinger (Brandenburg) 3/4/3/2
11. Karl XI (Sweden) 5/3/3/0
12. Condé (France) 4/3/4/0
13. Prince Rupert (England) 4/3/4/0
14. Jan Sobieski (Poland) 3/3/5/0
15. Kara Mustapha (Ottomans) 3/3/4/1
16. von Ascheberg (Sweden) 4/3/4/0
17. Hessen-Homburg (Prussia) 3/2/4/2

1679-1699

1. Marlborough (England) 5/6/6/2
2. Karl XII (Sweden) 5/6/6/1
3. Prinz Eugen (Austria) 5/5/5/1
4. Villars (France) 4/5/5/1
5. Morosini (Venice) 4/5/4/2
6. von Dessau (Brandenburg) 4/4/4/3
7. Ludwig (Austria) 4/4/4/0

Giants and then a SHARP drop-off in this era.

------- sorted by fire -------

1699-1719

1. Marlborough (England) 5/6/6/2
2. Karl XII (Sweden) 5/6/6/1
3. Prinz Eugen (Austria) 5/5/5/1
4. Villars (France) 4/5/5/1
5. von Dessau (Brandenburg) 4/4/4/3
6. Ludwig (Austria) 4/4/4/0
7. A. Lewenhaupt (Sweden) 2/4/4/1
8. Lützow (Denmark) 3/4/3/0
9. Arvid Horn (Sweden) 3/4/2/1
10. Lefort (Russia) 2/4/2/1
11. Jolliet (France) (Conquistador) 2/4/2/0
12. von Stahremberg (Austria) 4/3/4/3

Marlborough, Karl, Eugen and Villars continue to dominate, but there are some new faces on the scene.

1719-1739

1. Prinz Eugen (Austria) 5/5/5/1
2. Villars (France) 4/5/5/1
3. von Daun (Austria) 4/5/4/1
4. von Dessau (Brandenburg) 4/4/4/3
5. Sachsen (Austria) 4/4/5/1
6. von Schwerin (Prussia) 4/4/4/0
7. Franz (Austria) 3/4/4/0
8. A. Lewenhaupt (Sweden) 2/4/4/1
9. Lützow (Denmark) 3/4/3/0
10. Arvid Horn (Sweden) 3/4/2/1

Austria and France lead with Brandenburg/Prussia making a mark.

1739-1759

1. Friedrich II (Prussia) 6/6/6/1
2. Clive (England) (Conquistador) 6/6/6/1
3. Wolfe (England) 4/5/5/0
4. von Daun (Austria) 4/5/4/1
5. von Laudon (Austria) 5/4/5/0
6. Bussy (France) 5/4/5/0
7. Sachsen (Austria) 4/4/5/1
8. De Saxe (France) 4/4/5/1
9. Montcalm (France) 3/4/6/0
10. A. Ehrensvärd (Sweden) 3/4/4/2
11. von Schwerin (Prussia) 4/4/4/0
12. De Broglie (France) 4/4/4/0
13. von Lacy (Austria) 4/4/4/0
14. Ferdinand (Prussia) 3/4/4/0
15. Fermor (Russia) 3/4/4/0
16. von Fersen (Sweden) 3/4/3/0
17. Arvid Horn (Sweden) 3/4/2/1
18. Richelieu (France) 3/4/2/0
19. Cumberland (England) 3/4/2/0

A lot of great leaders with Fred and Clive out front. England, France, Prussia, Sweden and Austria all have good leaders here.

1759-1779

1. Friedrich II (Prussia) 6/6/6/1
2. Clive (England) (Conquistador) 6/6/6/1
3. Suvorov (Russia) 6/5/6/1
4. Blücher (Prussia) 5/5/5/0
5. Wolfe (England) 4/5/5/0
6. von Daun (Austria) 4/5/4/1
7. von Laudon (Austria) 5/4/5/0
8. Bussy (France) 5/4/5/0
9. Baranov (Russia) (Conquistador) 5/4/4/0
10. Montcalm (France) 3/4/6/0
11. A. Ehrensvärd (Sweden) 3/4/4/2
12. von Bülow (Prussia) 5/4/3/0
13. De Broglie (France) 4/4/4/0
14. von Lacy (Austria) 4/4/4/0
15. Cornwallis (England) 4/4/3/0
16. Ferdinand (Prussia) 3/4/4/0
17. Fermor (Russia) 3/4/4/0
18. von Fersen (Sweden) 3/4/3/0
19. Cumberland (England) 3/4/2/0
20. Rumyantsev (Russia) 4/3/5/2

Prussia, Russia, and England. Then Austria and France. Then the rest.

1779-1799

1. Napoleon (France) 6/6/6/2
2. Duke Wellington (England) 6/6/6/1
3. Friedrich II (Prussia) 6/6/6/1
4. Davout (France) 6/6/5/1
5. Lannes (France) 5/6/4/1
6. Suvorov (Russia) 6/5/6/1
7. Blücher (Prussia) 5/5/5/0
8. Erzherzog Karl (Austria) 4/5/4/1
9. Marmont (France) 3/5/3/0
10. von Laudon (Austria) 5/4/5/0
11. Baranov (Russia) (Conquistador) 5/4/4/0
12. Suchet (France) 5/4/3/1
13. Lefebvre (France) 4/4/3/2
14. von Bülow (Prussia) 5/4/3/0
15. Hoche (France) 4/4/4/0
16. Macdonald (France) 4/4/4/0
17. Macdonald (England) 4/4/4/0
18. von Lacy (Austria) 4/4/4/0
19. Cornwallis (England) 4/4/3/0
20. Moreau (France) 4/4/3/0
21. Massena (France) 3/4/3/1
22. von Fersen (Sweden) 3/4/3/0
23. Castanos (Spain) 3/4/2/0
24. Djezzar Pasha (Ottomans) 2/4/2/0
25. Rumyantsev (Russia) 4/3/5/2
26. Lord Uxbridge (England) 5/3/5/0
27. Kosciuszko (Poland) 5/3/4/1
28. Tarleton (England) 4/3/5/0

The Napoleonic era.

1799-1819

1. Napoleon (France) 6/6/6/2
2. Duke Wellington (England) 6/6/6/1
4. Davout (France) 6/6/5/1
5. Lannes (France) 5/6/4/1
6. Suvorov (Russia) 6/5/6/1
7. Blücher (Prussia) 5/5/5/0
8. Erzherzog Karl (Austria) 4/5/4/1
9. Marmont (France) 3/5/3/0
12. Suchet (France) 5/4/3/1
13. Soult (France) 4/4/4/1
14. Lefebvre (France) 4/4/3/2
15. Bagration (Russia) 3/4/4/2
16. von Bülow (Prussia) 5/4/3/0
17. Hoche (France) 4/4/4/0
18. Macdonald (France) 4/4/4/0
19. Macdonald (England) 4/4/4/0
20. Brock (England) 4/4/4/0
21. Beresford (England) 4/4/4/0
22. Van Rensselaer (United States) 4/4/4/0
23. Cornwallis (England) 4/4/3/0
24. Moreau (France) 4/4/3/0
25. Augerau (France) 3/4/4/0
26. Karl XIV Johan (Sweden) 3/4/4/0
27. Massena (France) 3/4/3/1
28. Wittgenstein (Russia) 3/4/3/0
29. Kutuzov (Russia) 3/4/3/0
30. Ermolov (Russia) 3/4/2/0
31. Castanos (Spain) 3/4/2/0
32. Djezzar Pasha (Ottomans) 2/4/2/0
33. Sandels (Sweden) 6/3/4/0
34. Rumyantsev (Russia) 4/3/5/2
35. Lord Uxbridge (England) 5/3/5/0
36. Kosciuszko (Poland) 5/3/4/1

Endgame.
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Maybe put a link to this in the newbie help sticky?
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