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MP Generals Through the Ages
I used data from Tonioz' site to compile this comparative ranking of leaders in typical MP countries in 20 year snapshots from 1419 to 1819.
To do: add leader birth and death dates, formatting. ------- sorted by shock till 1600 ------- 1419-1439 1. Henry V (England) 5/6/5/1 2. Richemont (France) 5/5/5/1 3. Carmagnola (Venice) 5/4/5/1 4. Pereira (Portugal) 4/4/5/0 5. Talbot (England) 5/6/4/1 6. Gilles de Rais (France) 4/4/4/1 7. Dunois (France) 4/4/4/1 8. Álvaro de Luna (Castile) 4/3/4/0 9. Gattamaleta (Venice) 4/3/4/0 10. Beauchamp (England) 3/4/4/0 11. Murâd II (Ottomans) 3/3/4/1 12. Dmitry Shemiaka (Muscowy) 3/3/4/0 13. Yuri Patrikeev (Muscowy) 3/3/4/0 Henry V dominates, while France, Venice, Portugal all have strong positions with Castile and Muscowy making appearances. 1439-1459 1. Richemont (France) 5/5/5/1 2. Mehmed II (Ottomans) 5/6/4/2 3. Talbot (England) 5/6/4/1 4. Warwick (England) 5/5/4/0 5. Gilles de Rais (France) 4/4/4/1 6. Dunois (France) 4/4/4/1 7. Fedor Basenok (Muscowy) 4/3/4/0 8. Álvaro de Luna (Castile) 4/3/4/0 9. Gattamaleta (Venice) 4/3/4/0 10. Beauchamp (England) 3/4/4/0 11. Murâd II (Ottomans) 3/3/4/1 12. Dmitry Shemiaka (Muscowy) 3/3/4/0 13. Yuri Patrikeev (Muscowy) 3/3/4/0 14. York (England) 3/2/4/0 15. Ivan Obolenski-Striga (Muscowy) 3/2/4/0 Ottomans, France, England, Muscowy, Venice, and Castile with the best leaders here. 1459-1479 1. Mehmed II (Ottomans) 5/6/4/2 2. Mocenigo (Venice) 5/5/4/0 3. Warwick (England) 5/5/4/0 4. Dunois (France) 4/4/4/1 5. Fedor Basenok (Muscowy) 4/3/4/0 6. Norfolk (England) 3/3/4/0 7. York (England) 3/2/4/0 8. Ivan Obolenski-Striga (Muscowy) 3/2/4/0 The quality of leadership declines somewhat overall in this period with England and Muscowy dominating while France stands behind Dunois. 1479-1499 1. Alfonso de Albuquerque (Portugal) (Conquistador) 5/5/5/0 2. Von Frundsberg (Austria) 3/4/5/2 3. Mehmed II (Ottomans) 5/6/4/2 4. El Gran Capitán (Spain) 4/6/4/0 5. Norfolk (England) 3/3/4/0 6. Foix (France) 3/2/4/0 The Hapsburgs take positions of advantage while Portugal fields an outstanding conquistador. 1499-1519 1. Hernán Cortés (Spain) (Conquistador) 6/5/5/1 2. Almeida (Portugal) (Conquistador) 6/4/5/2 3. Correos (Portugal) (Conquistador) 5/5/5/0 4. Alfonso de Albuquerque (Portugal) (Conquistador) 5/5/5/0 5. Von Frundsberg (Austria) 3/4/5/2 6. Selîm I Yavuz (Ottomans) 5/5/4/1 7. El Gran Capitán (Spain) 4/6/4/0 8. Otto Krumpen (Denmark) 4/4/4/0 9. Mihail Glinski (Muscowy) 4/3/4/1 10. Pierre Bayard (France) 4/2/4/1 11. Norfolk (England) 3/3/4/0 12. Bali (Ottomans) 4/1/4/0 13. Foix (France) 3/2/4/0 Spain and Portugal command conquistadors while Frundsberg continues to dominate Europe. 1519-1539 1. Hernán Cortés (Spain) (Conquistador) 6/5/5/1 2. Almeida (Portugal) (Conquistador) 6/4/5/2 3. Correos (Portugal) (Conquistador) 5/5/5/0 5. Von Frundsberg (Austria) 3/4/5/2 5. Duque de Alba (Spain) 4/4/5/0 6. Selîm I Yavuz (Ottomans) 5/5/4/1 7. Francisco Pizarro (Spain) (Conquistador) 5/4/4/1 8. Otto Krumpen (Denmark) 4/4/4/0 9. Mihail Glinski (Muscowy) 4/3/4/1 10. Pedro de Mendoza (Spain) (Conquistador) 4/3/4/0 11. Tarnowski (Poland) 4/2/4/1 12. Pierre Bayard (France) 4/2/4/1 13. Norfolk (England) 3/3/4/0 14. Gazi Husrev (Ottomans) 3/3/4/0 15. Bali (Ottomans) 4/1/4/0 16. Guise (France) 2/2/4/1 17. Süleymân I Kanuni (Ottomans) 4/5/3/2 With conquistadors in the colonies and Alba at home, Spain begins to dominate. Selim and Suleyman expand the Ottoman Empire. 1539-1559 1. Hernán Cortés (Spain) (Conquistador) 6/5/5/1 2. Mem da Sa (Portugal) (Conquistador) 5/4/5/2 3. Duque de Alba (Spain) 4/4/5/0 4. Francisco Pizarro (Spain) (Conquistador) 5/4/4/1 5. Vorotinski (Russia) 5/3/4/1 6. Tarnowski (Poland) 4/2/4/1 7. Gazi Husrev (Ottomans) 3/3/4/0 8. Alcibiades (Brandenburg) 3/2/4/1 9. Bali (Ottomans) 4/1/4/0 10. Guise (France) 2/2/4/1 11. Süleymân I Kanuni (Ottomans) 4/5/3/2 Alba is unstoppable in western europe while Tarnowski and Vorotinski shed blood in the east and the Ottomans enjoy a leader advantage over the Austrian nemesis. 1559-1579 1. Yermak (Russia) (Conquistador) 5/6/6/0 2. Alessandro Farnese (Spain) 3/4/6/1 3. Mem da Sa (Portugal) (Conquistador) 5/4/5/2 4. Stephen Báthory (Poland) 5/3/5/1 5. Duque de Alba (Spain) 4/4/5/0 6. Daniel Rantzau (Denmark) 3/4/5/0 7. Vorotinski (Russia) 5/3/4/1 8. Krzystof Radziwill (Poland) 4/3/4/0 9. Tarnowski (Poland) 4/2/4/1 10. P. de la Gardie (Sweden) 4/2/4/1 11. D. Juan de Austria (Spain) 2/4/4/0 12. Ivan Petrov (Russia) (Conquistador) 2/3/4/0 13. Guise (France) 2/2/4/1 14. Lala Mustapha (Ottomans) 2/2/4/0 15. Süleymân I Kanuni (Ottomans) 4/5/3/2 16. William of Orange (Netherlands) 4/3/3/1 17. Karl Horn (Sweden) 3/4/3/1 Farnese trades off with Alba and Denmark has Rantzau. 1579-1599 1. Yermak (Russia) (Conquistador) 5/6/6/0 2. Alessandro Farnese (Spain) 3/4/6/1 3. Maurice of Nassau (Netherlands) 4/5/5/1 4. Stephen Báthory (Poland) 5/3/5/1 5. Duque de Alba (Spain) 4/4/5/0 6. Raleigh (England) (Conquistador) 5/4/4/0 7. Krzystof Radziwill (Poland) 4/3/4/0 8. P. de la Gardie (Sweden) 4/2/4/1 9. Henry IV (France) 2/4/4/0 10. Karl (Austria) 3/2/4/0 11. Zamojski (Poland) 3/2/4/0 12. Guise (France) 2/2/4/1 13. Lala Mustapha (Ottomans) 2/2/4/0 14. William of Orange (Netherlands) 4/3/3/1 15. Karl Horn (Sweden) 3/4/3/1 ------- sorted by overall till 1700 ------- 1599-1619 1. Gustav II Adolf (Sweden) 6/6/5/1 2. Maurice of Nassau (Netherlands) 4/5/5/1 3. Raleigh (England) (Conquistador) 5/4/4/0 4. von Wallenstein (Austria) 4/4/4/1 5. Ambrogio Spinola (Spain) 3/5/4/1 6. Coen (Netherlands) (Conquistador) 4/4/3/1 7. Chodkiewicz (Poland) 4/3/5/0 8. Evert Horn (Sweden) 3/4/3/2 9. Zolkiewski (Poland) 4/3/4/0 10. Skopin-Shuiski (Russia) 4/3/4/0 11. Krzystof Radziwill (Poland) 4/3/4/0 12. Sigismund III (Poland) 4/3/4/0 13. Champlain (France) (Conquistador) 3/4/4/0 14. Karl Horn (Sweden) 3/4/3/1 15. Pappenheim (Austria) 3/3/4/1 Sweden and Netherlands dominate. 1619-1639 1. Gustav II Adolf (Sweden) 6/6/5/1 1. Turenne (France) 5/5/5/1 2. Torstensson (Sweden) 5/5/4/2 3. Banér (Sweden) 5/4/5/1 2. Maurice of Nassau (Netherlands) 4/5/5/1 4. von Wallenstein (Austria) 4/4/4/1 5. Nassau-Siegen (Netherlands) (Conquistador) 4/4/3/2 6. Ambrogio Spinola (Spain) 3/5/4/1 7. Königsmarck (Sweden) 6/2/4/0 8. Koniecpolski (Poland) 5/2/5/0 9. Karl Gustav Wrangel (Sweden) 4/4/3/1 10. Montecuccoli (Austria) 4/4/3/1 11. Piccolomini (Austria) 4/4/3/1 12. Coen (Netherlands) (Conquistador) 4/4/3/1 13. Chodkiewicz (Poland) 4/3/5/0 14. Bernhard (Sweden) 3/4/4/1 15. Fairfax (England) 3/4/4/1 16. Arciszewski (Poland) (Conquistador) 5/3/2/1 17. Wittenberg (Sweden) 4/4/3/0 18. Zolkiewski (Poland) 4/3/4/0 19. Fernando de Austria (Spain) 4/3/3/1 20. Champlain (France) 3/4/4/0 21. Hannibal Sehested (Denmark) 3/3/5/0 22. Pappenheim (Austria) 3/3/4/1 France and Sweden take center stage among the many remarkable leaders in this era. 1639-1659 1. Turenne (France) 5/5/5/1 2. Torstensson (Sweden) 5/5/4/2 3. Banér (Sweden) 5/4/5/1 4. Morosini (Venice) 4/5/4/2 5. Karl X Gustav (Sweden) 5/4/4/1 6. Cromwell (England) 4/5/5/0 7. Nassau-Siegen (Netherlands) (Conquistador) 4/4/3/2 8. Königsmarck (Sweden) 6/2/4/0 9. Koniecpolski (Poland) 5/2/5/0 10. Erofey Khabarov (Russia) (Conquistador) 4/4/4/0 11. Karl Gustav Wrangel (Sweden) 4/4/3/1 12. Montecuccoli (Austria) 4/4/3/1 13. Piccolomini (Austria) 4/4/3/1 14. Czarniecki (Poland) 4/3/5/0 15. Bernhard (Sweden) 3/4/4/1 16. Fairfax (England) 3/4/4/1 17. von Derfflinger (Brandenburg) 3/4/3/2 18. Wittenberg (Sweden) 4/4/3/0 19. Condé (France) 4/3/4/0 20. Prince Rupert (England) 4/3/4/0 21. von Ascheberg (Sweden) 4/3/4/0 22. Fernando de Austria (Spain) 4/3/3/1 23. von Derfflinger (Prussia) 3/4/3/1 24. Hannibal Sehested (Denmark) 3/3/5/0 1659-1679 1. Turenne (France) 5/5/5/1 2. Morosini (Venice) 4/5/4/2 3. Karl X Gustav (Sweden) 5/4/4/1 4. Nassau-Siegen (Netherlands) (Conquistador) 4/4/3/2 5. Montecuccoli (Austria) 4/4/3/1 6. Czarniecki (Poland) 4/3/5/0 7. Luxembourg (France) 4/3/4/1 8. Köprölö Fazil Ahmed (Ottomans) 4/3/4/1 9. Fairfax (England) 3/4/4/1 10. von Derfflinger (Brandenburg) 3/4/3/2 11. Karl XI (Sweden) 5/3/3/0 12. Condé (France) 4/3/4/0 13. Prince Rupert (England) 4/3/4/0 14. Jan Sobieski (Poland) 3/3/5/0 15. Kara Mustapha (Ottomans) 3/3/4/1 16. von Ascheberg (Sweden) 4/3/4/0 17. Hessen-Homburg (Prussia) 3/2/4/2 1679-1699 1. Marlborough (England) 5/6/6/2 2. Karl XII (Sweden) 5/6/6/1 3. Prinz Eugen (Austria) 5/5/5/1 4. Villars (France) 4/5/5/1 5. Morosini (Venice) 4/5/4/2 6. von Dessau (Brandenburg) 4/4/4/3 7. Ludwig (Austria) 4/4/4/0 Giants and then a SHARP drop-off in this era. ------- sorted by fire ------- 1699-1719 1. Marlborough (England) 5/6/6/2 2. Karl XII (Sweden) 5/6/6/1 3. Prinz Eugen (Austria) 5/5/5/1 4. Villars (France) 4/5/5/1 5. von Dessau (Brandenburg) 4/4/4/3 6. Ludwig (Austria) 4/4/4/0 7. A. Lewenhaupt (Sweden) 2/4/4/1 8. Lützow (Denmark) 3/4/3/0 9. Arvid Horn (Sweden) 3/4/2/1 10. Lefort (Russia) 2/4/2/1 11. Jolliet (France) (Conquistador) 2/4/2/0 12. von Stahremberg (Austria) 4/3/4/3 Marlborough, Karl, Eugen and Villars continue to dominate, but there are some new faces on the scene. 1719-1739 1. Prinz Eugen (Austria) 5/5/5/1 2. Villars (France) 4/5/5/1 3. von Daun (Austria) 4/5/4/1 4. von Dessau (Brandenburg) 4/4/4/3 5. Sachsen (Austria) 4/4/5/1 6. von Schwerin (Prussia) 4/4/4/0 7. Franz (Austria) 3/4/4/0 8. A. Lewenhaupt (Sweden) 2/4/4/1 9. Lützow (Denmark) 3/4/3/0 10. Arvid Horn (Sweden) 3/4/2/1 Austria and France lead with Brandenburg/Prussia making a mark. 1739-1759 1. Friedrich II (Prussia) 6/6/6/1 2. Clive (England) (Conquistador) 6/6/6/1 3. Wolfe (England) 4/5/5/0 4. von Daun (Austria) 4/5/4/1 5. von Laudon (Austria) 5/4/5/0 6. Bussy (France) 5/4/5/0 7. Sachsen (Austria) 4/4/5/1 8. De Saxe (France) 4/4/5/1 9. Montcalm (France) 3/4/6/0 10. A. Ehrensvärd (Sweden) 3/4/4/2 11. von Schwerin (Prussia) 4/4/4/0 12. De Broglie (France) 4/4/4/0 13. von Lacy (Austria) 4/4/4/0 14. Ferdinand (Prussia) 3/4/4/0 15. Fermor (Russia) 3/4/4/0 16. von Fersen (Sweden) 3/4/3/0 17. Arvid Horn (Sweden) 3/4/2/1 18. Richelieu (France) 3/4/2/0 19. Cumberland (England) 3/4/2/0 A lot of great leaders with Fred and Clive out front. England, France, Prussia, Sweden and Austria all have good leaders here. 1759-1779 1. Friedrich II (Prussia) 6/6/6/1 2. Clive (England) (Conquistador) 6/6/6/1 3. Suvorov (Russia) 6/5/6/1 4. Blücher (Prussia) 5/5/5/0 5. Wolfe (England) 4/5/5/0 6. von Daun (Austria) 4/5/4/1 7. von Laudon (Austria) 5/4/5/0 8. Bussy (France) 5/4/5/0 9. Baranov (Russia) (Conquistador) 5/4/4/0 10. Montcalm (France) 3/4/6/0 11. A. Ehrensvärd (Sweden) 3/4/4/2 12. von Bülow (Prussia) 5/4/3/0 13. De Broglie (France) 4/4/4/0 14. von Lacy (Austria) 4/4/4/0 15. Cornwallis (England) 4/4/3/0 16. Ferdinand (Prussia) 3/4/4/0 17. Fermor (Russia) 3/4/4/0 18. von Fersen (Sweden) 3/4/3/0 19. Cumberland (England) 3/4/2/0 20. Rumyantsev (Russia) 4/3/5/2 Prussia, Russia, and England. Then Austria and France. Then the rest. 1779-1799 1. Napoleon (France) 6/6/6/2 2. Duke Wellington (England) 6/6/6/1 3. Friedrich II (Prussia) 6/6/6/1 4. Davout (France) 6/6/5/1 5. Lannes (France) 5/6/4/1 6. Suvorov (Russia) 6/5/6/1 7. Blücher (Prussia) 5/5/5/0 8. Erzherzog Karl (Austria) 4/5/4/1 9. Marmont (France) 3/5/3/0 10. von Laudon (Austria) 5/4/5/0 11. Baranov (Russia) (Conquistador) 5/4/4/0 12. Suchet (France) 5/4/3/1 13. Lefebvre (France) 4/4/3/2 14. von Bülow (Prussia) 5/4/3/0 15. Hoche (France) 4/4/4/0 16. Macdonald (France) 4/4/4/0 17. Macdonald (England) 4/4/4/0 18. von Lacy (Austria) 4/4/4/0 19. Cornwallis (England) 4/4/3/0 20. Moreau (France) 4/4/3/0 21. Massena (France) 3/4/3/1 22. von Fersen (Sweden) 3/4/3/0 23. Castanos (Spain) 3/4/2/0 24. Djezzar Pasha (Ottomans) 2/4/2/0 25. Rumyantsev (Russia) 4/3/5/2 26. Lord Uxbridge (England) 5/3/5/0 27. Kosciuszko (Poland) 5/3/4/1 28. Tarleton (England) 4/3/5/0 The Napoleonic era. 1799-1819 1. Napoleon (France) 6/6/6/2 2. Duke Wellington (England) 6/6/6/1 4. Davout (France) 6/6/5/1 5. Lannes (France) 5/6/4/1 6. Suvorov (Russia) 6/5/6/1 7. Blücher (Prussia) 5/5/5/0 8. Erzherzog Karl (Austria) 4/5/4/1 9. Marmont (France) 3/5/3/0 12. Suchet (France) 5/4/3/1 13. Soult (France) 4/4/4/1 14. Lefebvre (France) 4/4/3/2 15. Bagration (Russia) 3/4/4/2 16. von Bülow (Prussia) 5/4/3/0 17. Hoche (France) 4/4/4/0 18. Macdonald (France) 4/4/4/0 19. Macdonald (England) 4/4/4/0 20. Brock (England) 4/4/4/0 21. Beresford (England) 4/4/4/0 22. Van Rensselaer (United States) 4/4/4/0 23. Cornwallis (England) 4/4/3/0 24. Moreau (France) 4/4/3/0 25. Augerau (France) 3/4/4/0 26. Karl XIV Johan (Sweden) 3/4/4/0 27. Massena (France) 3/4/3/1 28. Wittgenstein (Russia) 3/4/3/0 29. Kutuzov (Russia) 3/4/3/0 30. Ermolov (Russia) 3/4/2/0 31. Castanos (Spain) 3/4/2/0 32. Djezzar Pasha (Ottomans) 2/4/2/0 33. Sandels (Sweden) 6/3/4/0 34. Rumyantsev (Russia) 4/3/5/2 35. Lord Uxbridge (England) 5/3/5/0 36. Kosciuszko (Poland) 5/3/4/1 Endgame.
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Interesting to read.
Has the benefits of being a compilation of essentials leaders.
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Excellent Fraese
. Btw, Barclay is missing there (sorry for nitpicking )
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Maybe put a link to this in the newbie help sticky?
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