Is this the correct for a trigger to fire if any things are NOT true?

flock · 14-05-2006, 17:29

I want an event to fire if Germany loses control of any of the Atlantic coast of France. Will this do it?

Trigger = {

or = {

not = control = { province = 43 data = GER } #Dunkerque
not = control = { province = 18 data = GER } #Calais
not = control = { province = 42 data = GER } #Dieppe
not = control = { province = 41 data = GER } #Le Harve
not = control = { province = 39 data = GER } #Caen
not = control = { province = 38 data = GER } #Cherbourg
not = control = { province = 37 data = GER } #Avranches
not = control = { province = 33 data = GER } #Rennes
not = control = { province = 32 data = GER } #Brest
not = control = { province = 34 data = GER } #Lorient
not = control = { province = 35 data = GER } #Nantes
not = control = { province = 59 data = GER } #Cholet
not = control = { province = 323 data = GER } #La Rochelle
not = control = { province = 325 data = GER } #Bordeaux
not = control = { province = 326 data = GER } #Dax

}

}

or should it have more brackets like this?

Trigger = {

or = {

{not = control = { province = 43 data = GER }} #Dunkerque
{not = control = { province = 18 data = GER }} #Calais
{not = control = { province = 42 data = GER }} #Dieppe
{not = control = { province = 41 data = GER }} #Le Harve
{not = control = { province = 39 data = GER }} #Caen
{not = control = { province = 38 data = GER }} #Cherbourg
{not = control = { province = 37 data = GER }} #Avranches
{not = control = { province = 33 data = GER }} #Rennes
{not = control = { province = 32 data = GER }} #Brest
{not = control = { province = 34 data = GER }} #Lorient
{not = control = { province = 35 data = GER }} #Nantes
{not = control = { province = 59 data = GER }} #Cholet
{not = control = { province = 323 data = GER }} #La Rochelle
{not = control = { province = 325 data = GER }} #Bordeaux
{not = control = { province = 326 data = GER }} #Dax

}

}

or should the or and the not be the other way round?

Thanks in advance for your help

Black Guardian · 14-05-2006, 17:35

Code:

Trigger = {

                   or = {
NOT = {

                          control = { province = 43 data = GER } #Dunkerque
                        control = { province = 18 data = GER } #Calais
                        control = { province = 42 data = GER } #Dieppe
                         control = { province = 41 data = GER } #Le Harve
                         control = { province = 39 data = GER }
#Caen
                          control = { province = 38 data = GER } #Cherbourg
                          control = { province = 37 data = GER } #Avranches
                          control = { province = 33 data = GER } #Rennes
                          control = { province = 32 data = GER } #Brest
                          control = { province = 34 data = GER } #Lorient
                          control = { province = 35 data = GER } #Nantes
                          control = { province = 59 data = GER } #Cholet
                          control = { province = 323 data = GER }  #La Rochelle
                          control = { province = 325 data = GER } #Bordeaux
                          control = { province = 326 data = GER } #Dax

                }

                        }
                  
                  }

It should work that way... if not, try this:

Code:

Trigger = {

                   or = {

                     not = { control = { province = 43 data = GER }} #Dunkerque
                    not = { control = { province = 18 data = GER }} #Calais
                     not ={ control = { province = 42 data = GER }} #Dieppe
                       not ={ control = { province = 41 data = GER }} #Le Harve
                        not ={ control = { province = 39 data = GER }}
#Caen
                         not ={ control = { province = 38 data = GER }} #Cherbourg
                          not ={ control = { province = 37 data = GER }} #Avranches
                        not ={ control = { province = 33 data = GER }} #Rennes
                        not ={ control = { province = 32 data = GER }} #Brest
                         not ={ control = { province = 34 data = GER }} #Lorient
                         not ={ control = { province = 35 data = GER }} #Nantes
                        not ={ control = { province = 59 data = GER }} #Cholet
                        not ={ control = { province = 323 data = GER }}  #La Rochelle
                        not ={ control = { province = 325 data = GER }} #Bordeaux
                       not ={ control = { province = 326 data = GER }} #Dax

                }

                        }

flock · 14-05-2006, 20:01

Black Guardian's 2nd suggestion is the one that works.

Thank you Black Guardian

So I now have

################################################## ################################################## ####################
#
# Events to show effects on Vichy of D-day and Overlord
#
################################################## ################################################## ####################

#############################################
# After D-day, Vichy begins to slowly implode
#############################################

event = {
id = 800100
random = no
country = VIC
persistent = no

Trigger = {
or = {
not = { control = { province = 43 data = GER }} #Dunkerque
not = { control = { province = 18 data = GER }} #Calais
not = { control = { province = 42 data = GER }} #Dieppe
not = { control = { province = 41 data = GER }} #Le Harve
not = { control = { province = 39 data = GER }} #Caen
not = { control = { province = 38 data = GER }} #Cherbourg
not = { control = { province = 37 data = GER }} #Avranches
not = { control = { province = 33 data = GER }} #Rennes
not = { control = { province = 32 data = GER }} #Brest
not = { control = { province = 34 data = GER }} #Lorient
not = { control = { province = 35 data = GER }} #Nantes
not = { control = { province = 59 data = GER }} #Cholet
not = { control = { province = 323 data = GER }} #La Rochelle
not = { control = { province = 325 data = GER }} #Bordeaux
not = { control = { province = 326 data = GER }} #Dax
}
random = 50
}

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1941 }
offset = 1
deathdate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1947 }

name = "After the successful Allied landing on the coast of France, Vichy starts to slowly implode."
desc = ""
style = 0

action_a = {
name = "OK"
command = { type = dissent value = 4 }
command = { type = manpowerpool value = -12 }
command = { type = money value = -70 }
#command = { type = trigger which = 800116 }
#command = { type = trigger which = 800117 }
#command = { type = trigger which = 800118 }
#command = { type = trigger which = 800119 }
}
}

Lots more things left to discover yet!

HMS Enterprize · 14-05-2006, 20:25

The basic rule is for every '{' there has to be a '}'

And you only need one NOT command when specifying provinces in a trigger.

flock · 14-05-2006, 21:13

Hmmh, I expect you are correct, but I can't get it to fire only 1 NOT command, must be doing something wrong. But the way I have it now, it does fire.

Can you show an example please? Thanks.

HMS Enterprize · 14-05-2006, 21:40

This is the trigger for one of my events, it uses the OR command but the principle is the same-

event = {
id = 50007
random = no
country = USA

trigger = {
atwar = no
exists = U00
OR = {
control = { province = 640 data = USA }
control = { province = 641 data = USA }
control = { province = 720 data = USA }
control = { province = 721 data = USA }
control = { province = 713 data = USA }
control = { province = 714 data = USA }
}
NOT = {
OR = {
ispuppet = USA
puppet = { country = U00 country = USA }
}
}
}

jdrou · 23-05-2006, 00:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by flock

Trigger = {
or = {
not = { control = { province = 43 data = GER }} #Dunkerque
not = { control = { province = 18 data = GER }} #Calais
not = { control = { province = 42 data = GER }} #Dieppe
not = { control = { province = 41 data = GER }} #Le Harve
not = { control = { province = 39 data = GER }} #Caen
not = { control = { province = 38 data = GER }} #Cherbourg
not = { control = { province = 37 data = GER }} #Avranches
not = { control = { province = 33 data = GER }} #Rennes
not = { control = { province = 32 data = GER }} #Brest
not = { control = { province = 34 data = GER }} #Lorient
not = { control = { province = 35 data = GER }} #Nantes
not = { control = { province = 59 data = GER }} #Cholet
not = { control = { province = 323 data = GER }} #La Rochelle
not = { control = { province = 325 data = GER }} #Bordeaux
not = { control = { province = 326 data = GER }} #Dax
}
random = 50
}

To simplify slightly, this is equivalent to:
Trigger = {
not = { and = {
control = { province = 43 data = GER } #Dunkerque
control = { province = 18 data = GER } #Calais
control = { province = 42 data = GER } #Dieppe
control = { province = 41 data = GER } #Le Harve
control = { province = 39 data = GER } #Caen
control = { province = 38 data = GER } #Cherbourg
control = { province = 37 data = GER } #Avranches
control = { province = 33 data = GER } #Rennes
control = { province = 32 data = GER } #Brest
control = { province = 34 data = GER } #Lorient
control = { province = 35 data = GER } #Nantes
control = { province = 59 data = GER } #Cholet
control = { province = 323 data = GER } #La Rochelle
control = { province = 325 data = GER } #Bordeaux
control = { province = 326 data = GER } #Dax
} }
random = 50
}

De Morgan's laws in Paradox event trigger language:
not = { and = { triggerA triggerB } }
is equivalent to
or = { not = { triggerA } not = { triggerB } }

and

not = { or = { triggerA triggerB } }
is equivalent to
and = { not = { triggerA } not = { triggerB } }

Ayeshteni · 23-05-2006, 09:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdrou

De Morgan's laws in Paradox event trigger language:
not = { and = { triggerA triggerB } }
is equivalent to
or = { not = { triggerA } not = { triggerB } }

and

not = { or = { triggerA triggerB } }
is equivalent to
and = { not = { triggerA } not = { triggerB } }

well you learn something new every day on this forum.

Ayeshteni

14-05-2006, 17:29	#1
flock Major Join Date: May 2005 Location: Yorkshire, UK Posts: 686	Is this the correct for a trigger to fire if any things are NOT true? I want an event to fire if Germany loses control of any of the Atlantic coast of France. Will this do it? Trigger = { or = { not = control = { province = 43 data = GER } #Dunkerque not = control = { province = 18 data = GER } #Calais not = control = { province = 42 data = GER } #Dieppe not = control = { province = 41 data = GER } #Le Harve not = control = { province = 39 data = GER } #Caen not = control = { province = 38 data = GER } #Cherbourg not = control = { province = 37 data = GER } #Avranches not = control = { province = 33 data = GER } #Rennes not = control = { province = 32 data = GER } #Brest not = control = { province = 34 data = GER } #Lorient not = control = { province = 35 data = GER } #Nantes not = control = { province = 59 data = GER } #Cholet not = control = { province = 323 data = GER } #La Rochelle not = control = { province = 325 data = GER } #Bordeaux not = control = { province = 326 data = GER } #Dax } } or should it have more brackets like this? Trigger = { or = { {not = control = { province = 43 data = GER }} #Dunkerque {not = control = { province = 18 data = GER }} #Calais {not = control = { province = 42 data = GER }} #Dieppe {not = control = { province = 41 data = GER }} #Le Harve {not = control = { province = 39 data = GER }} #Caen {not = control = { province = 38 data = GER }} #Cherbourg {not = control = { province = 37 data = GER }} #Avranches {not = control = { province = 33 data = GER }} #Rennes {not = control = { province = 32 data = GER }} #Brest {not = control = { province = 34 data = GER }} #Lorient {not = control = { province = 35 data = GER }} #Nantes {not = control = { province = 59 data = GER }} #Cholet {not = control = { province = 323 data = GER }} #La Rochelle {not = control = { province = 325 data = GER }} #Bordeaux {not = control = { province = 326 data = GER }} #Dax } } or should the or and the not be the other way round? Thanks in advance for your help

14-05-2006, 20:25	#4
HMS Enterprize On loan to the C.S Navy Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Great Britain Posts: 4,327	The basic rule is for every '{' there has to be a '}' And you only need one NOT command when specifying provinces in a trigger. __________________ NEW! Stable test version of Harry Turtledove's 'How Few Remain' & 'American Empire' mod for Victoria Revolutions now available. Get it HERE Settling Accounts mod v3.0 for HOI2: DD. Get it HERE

14-05-2006, 21:40	#6
HMS Enterprize On loan to the C.S Navy Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Great Britain Posts: 4,327	This is the trigger for one of my events, it uses the OR command but the principle is the same- event = { id = 50007 random = no country = USA trigger = { atwar = no exists = U00 OR = { control = { province = 640 data = USA } control = { province = 641 data = USA } control = { province = 720 data = USA } control = { province = 721 data = USA } control = { province = 713 data = USA } control = { province = 714 data = USA } } NOT = { OR = { ispuppet = USA puppet = { country = U00 country = USA } } } } __________________ NEW! Stable test version of Harry Turtledove's 'How Few Remain' & 'American Empire' mod for Victoria Revolutions now available. Get it HERE Settling Accounts mod v3.0 for HOI2: DD. Get it HERE

14-05-2006, 20:01	#3
flock Major Join Date: May 2005 Location: Yorkshire, UK Posts: 686	Black Guardian's 2nd suggestion is the one that works. Thank you Black Guardian So I now have ################################################## ################################################## #################### # # Events to show effects on Vichy of D-day and Overlord # ################################################## ################################################## #################### ############################################# # After D-day, Vichy begins to slowly implode ############################################# event = { id = 800100 random = no country = VIC persistent = no Trigger = { or = { not = { control = { province = 43 data = GER }} #Dunkerque not = { control = { province = 18 data = GER }} #Calais not = { control = { province = 42 data = GER }} #Dieppe not = { control = { province = 41 data = GER }} #Le Harve not = { control = { province = 39 data = GER }} #Caen not = { control = { province = 38 data = GER }} #Cherbourg not = { control = { province = 37 data = GER }} #Avranches not = { control = { province = 33 data = GER }} #Rennes not = { control = { province = 32 data = GER }} #Brest not = { control = { province = 34 data = GER }} #Lorient not = { control = { province = 35 data = GER }} #Nantes not = { control = { province = 59 data = GER }} #Cholet not = { control = { province = 323 data = GER }} #La Rochelle not = { control = { province = 325 data = GER }} #Bordeaux not = { control = { province = 326 data = GER }} #Dax } random = 50 } date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1941 } offset = 1 deathdate = { day = 29 month = december year = 1947 } name = "After the successful Allied landing on the coast of France, Vichy starts to slowly implode." desc = "" style = 0 action_a = { name = "OK" command = { type = dissent value = 4 } command = { type = manpowerpool value = -12 } command = { type = money value = -70 } #command = { type = trigger which = 800116 } #command = { type = trigger which = 800117 } #command = { type = trigger which = 800118 } #command = { type = trigger which = 800119 } } } Lots more things left to discover yet!

14-05-2006, 21:13	#5
flock Major Join Date: May 2005 Location: Yorkshire, UK Posts: 686	Hmmh, I expect you are correct, but I can't get it to fire only 1 NOT command, must be doing something wrong. But the way I have it now, it does fire. Can you show an example please? Thanks.