2nd Aussie Group DD Game 25th April.

[mike8472]

Hi Guys.

This is our second DD game to start up. This game will include other players hopefully like joel & jh and anyone else who is not part of our first game.

The plan is to start on Tuesday the 25th some time in the arvo, hopefully about 4pm. We are waiting to hear from joel if he has his copy or not. If he dosnt this may be delayed till later in the week.

Teams.

Germany - Gunny
Italy - Mighty
Japan - BB

UK - Mike8472
US - Joel
USSR - Major
France & Canada - JH

Time for me to go allies, UK used to be my favoirte nation.

Rules will be as follows with changes if everyone agrees.

No major war till danzig event.

Axis allies (eg spain/italy) remain outside of the axis until Paris falls.

Both Axis and allies must wait till war to bring in non-historical allies. Germany is permitted to have Romania/Hungary/Bulgaria but cannot control them till war. This prevents the allies bringing lots of allies which gives germany a high billgerance when danzig fires and will trigger US gearing, this is an exploit. This also prevents Germany getting Turkey/Persia/Brazil and so on. Keeps both sides balanced until war.

UK cannot militarily control the CW except france and poland until war is decleared with germany.

Candian forces can be controlled and moved once danzig happens. South African/Austrailan and New Zealand and so on remain in there homelands until Paris falls. Once paris falls all restrictions are lifted on CW forces.

No CW forces are permited to enter the med until Paris falls. This includes candian which can only be in Europe, eg France or UK. The Med includes Gibralter/Malta/North Afirca/Egypt/Middle East. The UK must defend with UK forces or other allied forces already in the region.

Axis cannot militarily control there minors until war.

No attacking through nuetruals.

If you give units away to human players they cannot be returned they remain the buyers forever. You may only give units to human players if your are at war with the same enemy. Eg USA can only give units to UK if they are both at war with Germany, same as USSR, US may only give units to the USSR if both are at war with germany.

You cannot attempt to assinate leaders until at war.


The US cannot build land/sea forts in the pacfic until war. It is pretty unrealistic for the US to build up lvl 10 forts all over the pacific and runins the game in the pacific. However if China is puppeted/annexed the US can start to build forts land & sea 1 year after this happens.

If China is annexed or puppeted the US will be permitted 1 gearing event. Japan cannot be puppeted until the US gets 1 gearing event then it may puppet/annex. This is to offset the stronger role china will play.

No supply exploits, all forces must remain in homeland until 3 months befor war. You may keep forces that start in puppets or that region in your puppets or allies. The exception is Japan, they will need alot of there army in puppets so from 1937 onwards Japan may have unlimited number of forces in its puppets in preperation for China war.

Let me know if there needs to be some adjustments, also pick your nation preferances.

[husty]

thats great except for Italy war entry, which surely under the above regime - would also not be till paris falls.

let me tell you there is no way africa can be held without CW support.

Under the above rules, italy has a massive advantage for that intervening period between CW arrival and their DOW.

The NZ and Aust divs were deployed to the Nile well before Paris fell...

Hence the Bardia offensives...

[mike8472]

The rules do say JH that both spain and italy can not join the axis until paris falls.

As it will only be italy fighting the UK i have no problem facing off against italy as i will be playing the UK in this game, so i happy to be the guenie pig for the new rules. I prefer a game were i pull victory from the jaws of defeat.

Also take into acount italy will be doing all its own research as it wont be allied to Germany, it will have to spend alot more on supplies as no supply exploit.

Also italy might not join the war as soon as paris falls it just there allowed to once it does. As soon as paris falls the UK can move its CW forces to where ever it wants. So unless italy moves quickly it will lose its advanatge, which it should have.

Im happy to test this out as UK, if i get my butt kicked then maybe we will need to do as you suggest JH, but the tougher the better.

[joel]

I'm with Jh here. If we want a historical Allied deployment in Africa, we need to do the same for Italy.

[Gunships]

Rules .
No canada troops to leave canada till daniz
No uk troops to leave england till daniz
as in be in france till daniz

[mike8472]

Originally Posted by joel

I'm with Jh here. If we want a historical Allied deployment in Africa, we need to do the same for Italy.

Well i have to disagree, i think its more then fair to have it purely Italy vs UK for the first few months.

I will be playing the UK and im more then happy to play like that. If it dosnt work out i think its more my lack of planning and not allocating enough resources for the defence.

Remeber italy is greatly weakened with not ally from 36, it will be tough enough for thme.

Im not going to place limits on the amount of forces italy can place in africa that silly. Same as there is no retrictions once Paris falls on CW forces.

Let them come and i shall smite them.

[major ball]

Originally Posted by husty

thats great except for Italy war entry, which surely under the above regime - would also not be till paris falls.

let me tell you there is no way africa can be held without CW support.

Under the above rules, italy has a massive advantage for that intervening period between CW arrival and their DOW.

The NZ and Aust divs were deployed to the Nile well before Paris fell...

Hence the Bardia offensives...

Well you wont be facing above teched Italians..The Iraqis are exempt from the above restrictions. German units wont be permitted in Italy until they are in the war. So basically it will be weeks before any German forces can arrive in the Africa. Also you will not need Mega garrisions at Gilbralter. The Uk should have Air and Naval superioty in the Med. If the italians choose not to enter the war when Paris fall all the movement restrictions on CW forces are lifted. I am actually playing a game now with those same restrictions and the UK has no problem holding its own in Africa. Within 2 or 3 weeks most CW forces can be deployed to Eygpt any way. The UK forces 1 for 1 will be far superior to anything he Italians have. Any invasion behind the UK lines in Africa will be hard to reinforce and support for weeks as German airpower will have to be moved to the med and reorg.

I like it Mike you play UK you make all these mega rules about Italian restritions on joining the war yet you argue to your blue in the face saying that Allying Italy and Spain in 1936 doesnt affect game balance About time you listened to me ...but you are UK in this game lol I reckon because Mike is UK all Nationalsit Spain and Italy should be able to Ally Germany in 1936!!!

[mike8472]

Originally Posted by major ball

I like it Mike you play UK you make all these mega rules about Italian restritions on joining the war yet you argue to your blue in the face saying that Allying Italy and Spain in 1936 doesnt affect game balance About time you listened to me ...but you are UK in this game lol I reckon because Mike is UK all Nationalsit Spain and Italy should be able to Ally Germany in 1936!!!

Well same rules apply in our other DD game and im Germany, im also happy to play Italy under these conditions and have run a test game as italy.

But if we want to play were spain and italy join straight away dosnt bother me, but all restrictions on allies are lifted.

Also if you read the rules there are more restrictions on allies then axis with forces, only real handicape for italy is no ally.

Heres a list if what i built as italy, with no German help with above restrictions.

64 infantry all 1939, 3 armour light lvl II, 30+ subs lvl III, 21 destroyers lvl III, 12 transports, 9 naval bombers, 20 interceptors mostly lvl IV, lvl 10 airbases at 2 locations, lvl 3 radars at two locations, a few costal forts. This is a modern and well balanced force for italy and would require alot of UK airpower to stop at a time when the UK itself will be under threat of invasion. So it would be indeed a very vulnerable time for the UK as it should be. Alos by mid 1941 the Italian army could have 130 infantry which i was planning to build in my test game. So large forces of 39 infantry will be aviable to go to the russian front, probably 50 divisions for the start of barbarossa.

[Nolan]

Mike will have it much easier this game as UK without the uber tekked Axis. What a surprise

And Mike as for plucking victory out of the jaws of defeat you will never know the feeling as you would have quit long before that could happen hehehe.



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[mike8472]

Originally Posted by Nolan

Mike will have it much easier this game as UK without the uber tekked Axis. What a surprise

And Mike as for plucking victory out of the jaws of defeat you will never know the feeling as you would have quit long before that could happen hehehe.

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Im going to go UK to make sure its done right. You can use any rules you like, result will still be the same, victory to mike8472.

Allies have more restrictions then axis in these rules with no 80+ divisions sitting africa before war. Uk has to defend everything itself with its own forces, which is how it should be.

All UK players till now have had it easy with having all CW forces deployed in UK, France, Gibralter, Malta and Egypt far to easy. But i guess newbs like Major need this advantage.

[Nolan]

As usual this group makes up rules in contorted ways. Its like going to Perth from Sydney via Darwin.
If players want a realistic North African campaigne without massive build ups just restrict the number of divs a player can deploy there.
Say 10 pre war and 20 post war with an increase by maybe 10 ever year or maybe no restrictions on numbers once Italy and UK at war.
Maybe no German intervention in Med (ground units) untill an Italian province is lost in the Med.
A puppeted Ethiopia can make it tricky for the Allies too. Also much depends on which side some nations like Portugal and Spain join as this can complicate things for the Allies in central Africa. Just look at how complex the make up of Africa has become in our Sunday game.

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BB you will be pleased to know that your Frogs in the Sunday game are contributing to the Allied cause and last session occupied and annexed Cameroon into the Free French Empire.

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[mike8472]

Originally Posted by Nolan

As usual this group makes up rules in contorted ways. Its like going to Perth from Sydney via Darwin.
If players want a realistic North African campaigne without massive build ups just restrict the number of divs a player can deploy there.
Say 10 pre war and 20 post war with an increase by maybe 10 ever year or maybe no restrictions on numbers once Italy and UK at war.
Maybe no German intervention in Med (ground units) untill an Italian province is lost in the Med.
A puppeted Ethiopia can make it tricky for the Allies too. Also much depends on which side some nations like Portugal and Spain join as this can complicate things for the Allies in central Africa. Just look at how complex the make up of Africa has become in our Sunday game.

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BB you will be pleased to know that your Frogs in the Sunday game are contributing to the Allied cause and last session occupied and annexed Cameroon into the Free French Empire.

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Nolan go read the rules properly. Both Italy and spain cannot ally before paris falls end of story.

Also nolan if you want to play in this game you might have to download the game as paradox games normaly take a month or two to reach stores in australia. We might be starting this game as soon as Joel has his copy.

I would like nolan to go axis and get a different perspective on the game, see in fact just how hard it is for them.

Also this game is not for historical forces these rules are simply to try and balance the game a bit until war starts. Once war is on for all there are no restrictions on forces, you may do as you please.

[Bumble Bee]

Hi I would like to play Italy thankyou

[joel]

I've tracked down the parcel - seems the contractor said he tried to drop it off at a time I was home - usual bollocks.

Anyways, good thing is that it's awaiting collection at the local PO, so from tommorrow morning I should have it.

[Bumble Bee]

Me as italy while Gunny is Germnay, not sure that will work maybe I should move somehwere else. What is left?

[joel]

Put me down for USA I guess. Hopefull with the might of them behind me I can make a few mistakes

[mike8472]

Ok well i was planing to start this game tomorow night at 9pm, major is alittle busy till then.

There is another problem, mighty and gunny may be playing there other game with people overseas tomrrow night. So the question is with there game being on mondays and wednesday nights, that dosnt really give us much time during the week to play these 2 DD games we have going.

So we need to make choice, either gunny and mighty will be unaviable for this game as we simply lack enough nights of the week to play or we delay the game until there international game finished which is ment to be soon.

My concern is that it cancels out two nights of the week alot of us could play on with no alternatives as there in volved in both games.

What does the group think, if they are not free and tied up with this other game should we start without them, as we will have 6 players with Joel and JH.

So joel, Jh turn up at 9pm tomorow night or post here if you cant make it an we will start thursday.

[mike8472]

Also if gunny and mighty are not free to play, nations might have to change as there is no one else in our group experienced enough to play germany vs major as hes very experienced at USSR.

I dont mind taking on major as a rematch (happy to beat up on him some more) but my first preference would be another nation other then germany. But it might make JH happy as he can have his normal nation as the UK. But ill wait and see what happens.

[Bumble Bee]

Quick question. How do you play Japan?

And I vote we play the new game regardless of those two, let them have their other group 2 nights a week as long as they dont stuff us aorund.

[major ball]

Well If mighty and gunny unavailable I dont mind a 6 player with with joel and JH included.
Also Mike in the currect 6 player France did lose 1939 infantry and production control(I was waiting on both). Nothing we can do I suppose just puts me a little bit behind on my planning. Funny that the AI would lose techs though....