leaders for minors, here's what I've got for the Dutch

[Oranje]

For everyone, to read and enjoy, or to skip if not interested.

Type Name Born Died In Out Rank Mov Fire Shock Siege
A Willem Bloys 1529 1594 1565 1594 3 4 3 2
Radical Dutch Geuzenleider (Gueux leader), took part in the Beeldenstorm, fought in the (land)battles of Heiligerlee and Jemmingen (1568), got involved in piracy activities against the Spaniards and played an important part in the conquest of Brielle by a Gueux fleet in 1572. He became admiral of Holland (1573) and Zeeland (1576).
A Justinus van Nassau 1559 1631 1585 1601 3 3 2 3
Unlawful son of Willem van Oranje, lt-admiral for Zeeland from 1585 to 1601. Commanded the Dutch fleet against the first spanish Armada in 1588. Although in a minor role, compared to the British fleet, he blocked the flemish harbor of Duinkerken so Parma could not get out to sea (failure of planned invasion of England) and he conquered two spanish gallions.
A Joos de Moor 1548 1618 1572 1618 3 3 3 3
Vice admiral for the province of Zeeland, fought the Spaniards in the Zeeland waters (1572-74), held Alexander Farnese, duke of Parma, hostage in Dunkerque 1588, beat a Spanish fleet in 1603 near Sluis, where Frederique Spinola died.
A Piet Heyn 1577 1629 1602 1629 1 4 3 4
Piet Heyn is one of the best known historical Dutch admirals, most famous for the conquest of a Spanish treasure fleet in 1628, which yielded 12 million guilders worth of silver. A song has been dedicated to this achievement, which is still well known to the Dutch, and nowadays is being sung by supporters at sporting events when the dutch are winning. Piet Heyn was a brilliant commander, who devised the master (piracy) plan against the Spanish fleets in the West-Indies. He sailed as a vice-admiral for the dutch VOC first, and since 1623 for the WIC. He conquered San Salvador in Brazil from the Portuguese in 1624, and was appointed lt-admiral for Zeeland and Holland in 1629.
A Maarten Harpertszn Tromp 1598 1653 1620 1653 1 5 4 6
Maarten Harpertszn Tromp experienced his first sea battle in 1607 (battle of Gibraltar) at the age of nine, on his father's ship. In 1624 he got his first command and served with admiral Piet Heyn. In 1637 he was appointed lt-admiral and commander in chief for Holland province. He made his name quickly by the victory in the Battle of Downs (1639), where he destroyed a Spanish fleet. He defeated admiral Blake in the battle of Dungeness in 1652. He is recognized as a great leader, with innovating ideas on naval warfare.
A Johan van Galen 1604 1653 1631 1653 2 4 3 3
Johan van Galen distinguished himself in the battle of the Downs in 1639. At the outbreak of the first Anglo-Dutch war in 1652 he was appointed commander in chief of the Mediterranian fleet. He defeated the only British fleet in the area at Monte Christo in september 1652. After another victory against an English relief fleet early 1653 the English had to evacuate the Mediterranean alltogether.
A Witte de With 1599 1658 1623 1658 2 3 3 3
Witte de With served with Jan Pieterszn Coen in the East Indies in his young years, before earning admiral Piet Heyn's respect in the West Indies during the capture of a Spanish treasure fleet in 1628. In 1637 he was appointed vice-admiral by the province of Holland. He thereafter served with admiral Maarten Harpertszn Tromp, showing great courage in battles (a.o. in the battle of the Dunes 1639). After Tromp died at the battle of Ter Heyde he took command of the fleet and forced the English to give up their blockade of the Dutch coast. He died in 1953 in the battle of the Sont, after fighting off a much larger Swedish fleet for hours, when his flagship took a full hit after getting stuck in shallow waters.
A Egbert Meussen Kortenaer 1604 1665 1653 1665 2 3 2 3
Lt-admiral, served with Maarten Tromp in the first Anglo-Dutch war, played an important part in the raid on Danzig (1656) and the battle of the Sont (1658). Second in command of the Dutch fleet in the second Anglo-Dutch war, died in combat in the battle at Lowestoft in 1665.
A Jacob van Wassenaer 1610 1665 1653 1665 1 2 2 2
Dutch Admiral, commander in chief of the Dutch fleet, successor of Maarten Tromp. In 1656 he trashed a swedish naval blockade of Danzig; in 1657 he blocked the river Tago and captured 15 Portuguese sugar ships. During one of the Danish Swedish wars he beat a swedish fleet in the nattle of the Sont (1658). He died in the battle of Lowestoft in 1665 during a direct fight with the English commanders'ship.
A Johan Evertzen 1600 1666 1622 1666 1 3 3 3
Johan Evertsen became rear admiral in 1628. He took part in the battle on the Slaak in 1631, and fought the Duinkerker kapers (Dunkerque pirats), eventually defeating them. In 1639 he beat a Portuguese fleet in the battle of Duins, took part in most battles of the first Anglo-Dutch wars, and was appointed lt=admiral in 1664. He died in battle against the English admiral Monk near Calais in 1666 in the second Anglo-Dutch war.
A Cornelis Evertzn sr. 1610 1666 1639 1666 2 3 3 3
Dutch lt-admiral, member of a famous family of dutch marine officers. Captured a Spanish Gallion in the battle of Duins in 1639 and fought in the first and second Anglo-Dutch wars. After his ship sank in the battle of Ter Heyde he was taken POW by the English for 3 months. In 1659 during the Nordic war he was second in command on de Ruyters fleet that was sent against the Swedes. He had a big part in the conquest of the city of Nystad on Funen.
A Michiel Adriaanszn de Ruyter 1607 1676 1641 1676 1 6 6 5
Michiel Adriaenszoon de Ruyter is the most famous Dutch admiral in history. He went to sea at the age of eleven, and got his first naval command in 1641. De Ruyter fought and won numerous battles for the Dutch, at times even when outnumbered and outgunned. Amongst his most famous victories are the Chatham expedition in 1667 where the British suffered a crushing defeat and the battle of Solebay in 1672, where a much stronger combined British/French fleet was defeated. His genius in manoeuvring large formations of sailing ships was too big a challenge for most opponents.
A Cornelis Tromp 1629 1691 1649 1676 2 4 3 4
Son of Maarten Tromp, captain at age 20, took part in the battles near Elba and Livorno (1652-53) in the first Anglo-Dutch war. He proved himself a brave but stubborn officer, with great feeling for tactical combat. He was appointed rear admiral in 1653, lt-admiral in 1676. Hij showed great courage in the battles of Lowestoft (1665), Schoneveld and Kijkduin (1673). His stubbornness got him into conflicts with Michiel de Ruyter and the States General and eventually he was sacked. He then temporarily served the Danish king (beat the Swedish fleet 1676 and conquered Christianstad).
A Jan van Brakel 1690 1650 1690 3 2 2 2
Dutch rear admiral, Hero of the Expedition to Chatham in 1667, seized the English 'Unity' on that occasion. He fought in the second and third Anglo-Dutch wars, and was especially succesful in the battle at Solebay (1672). He commanded a fleet that was sent against pirates threatening profitable dutch trade. He died in battle against the french at Beachy Head in 1690.
A Cornelis Evertzen jr. 1642 1706 1665 1706 3 4 4 4
Nicknamed Kees de Duivel (the English made Kiss the Devil out of that name) from his early days as a pirate captain. Served the Zeeland marine force since 1665, commodore 1673, vice admiral 1679, lt-admiral and commander in chief for the Dutch fleet 1688. Famous foremost because of the Battle at Beachy Head in 1690. After having been abandoned by the English under Torrington (who was thereafter sacked) he was outnumbered and outgunned but defended the fleet brilliantly against a french fleet.
A Geleyn Evertzen 1655 1721 1678 1721 2 3 2 2
Another Evertsen, brother of Kees de Duivel, appointed rear admiral in 1685, vice admiral 1695, lt-admiral after his brothers death in 1706. He fought the battle at Cape La Hogue in 1692, and was sent on an expedition against Denmark in 1700.
A Johan Arnold Zoutman 1750 1784 4 3 3 2
Dutch rear admiral, served during the 4th Anglo-Dutch war. He fought the battle at Doggersbank in 1781 against an English fleet under Sir Hyde Parker, together with sea captain van Kinsbergen. After about 10 hours the better armed English fled after serious damage was done to both fleets.
A Jan Willem de Winter 1761 1812 1778 1812 5 2 2 3
Army and Naval officer, served with the Dutch fleet since 1778, excelled as a captain in the battle at Doggersbank (1781). After the defeat of the patriots he fled to France. Returned to the Netherlands as a brigadeer general for Napoleon in 1795, appointed vice-admiral for the Bataafse Republiek thereafter.
C Pieter Both 1550 1615 1599 1614 3 4 2 2 1
In 1609 he became the first governer general for the dutch Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie (VOC) in the East Indies, captured the Molucan islands. Earlier he had made a trip to the East Indies with four ships as an admiral for the VOC in 1599-1601.
C Jan Pieterszn Coen 1587 1629 1613 1629 3 4 4 3 1
Founding father for the Dutch (VOC) power in the East-Indies. He was appointed governer for Bantam and Jacatra in 1613 and governer general in 1617. He built fort Batavia in 1614, and crushed resistance by local rulers. He organized law and order, and led numerous military expeditions. He fought off all English attempts to establish a foothold on VOC territory; conquered Bantam, Jacatra, Banda and Japara for the VOC.
C Johannes van Walbeeck 1626 1635 6 3 2 2
Dutch Conquistador, active in the Caribbean, captured Tobago (1628), St Maarten (1631), Curacao, Aruba, Bonaire (1634)
C Peter Minnewit (Minuit) 1580 1641 1625 1637 4 2 2 2
governer of Nieuw Nederland for the WIC (West Indies Compagnie). Bought the island Manhattan in 1626 from the indians for goods with a value of approx. 60 guilders.
C Cornelis Reijersen 1622 1642 5 3 2 2
Dutch Conquistador, constructed a fort on Peng Hu, the main island of the Pescadores, in 1622. After chinese resistance against the dutch control of their trade to and from the province of Fujian got to strong, the dutch surrendered the fort eventually and captured the south of Formosa (Taiwan) in 1624 for the VOC. In the period until 1642 the dutch gradually extended their control over the entire island of Formosa, which was completed with the conquest of the spanish fort in the north.
C Anthony van Diemen 1593 1645 1636 1645 4 3 2 2 1
Enegetic colonial governer, pushed by J.P. Coen, became governer general in 1636. He facilitated the biggest expansion of the VOC territory in the East Indies ever. Malakka, Ceylon and Formosa were brought under control. He initiated discovery expeditions east and north of Japan, and sent Abel Tasman on his way to circumnavigate Australia.
C Jan Anthonisz van Riebeeck 1619 1677 1652 1665 4 4 2 2
Dutch colonial pioneer, sent in 1651 to found the Cape Colony as a refreshing station for the ships travelling to and from the East Indies. He succeeded in attracting settlers, by issuing estate claims to socalled 'vrijburghers'. van Riebeeck served as Commander for the Cape Colony until 1662, thereafter he held other important colonial offices.
C Abraham Crijnssen 1625 1669 6 3 2 2 1
Dutch Conquistador and admiral, conquered the English colony of Surinam for the province of Zeeland in 1667.
C Peter Stuyvesant 1592 1672 1635 1672 3 4 3 2
Governer of Curacao in 1642, director-general for Nieuw Nederland in 1646. Stuyvesant improved the colony greatly and expanded strongly. He got little support when he wanted to defend the Nieuw Amsterdam against the british, who sent a strong force in 1664. On june 6, 1664 Stuyvesant signed the capitulation, effectively making Nieuw Amsterdam into New York.
C John Maurice of Nassau-Siegen 1604 1679 1621 1674 1 4 4 3 2
Nicknamed 'the Brazilian', count of Nassau Siegen, joined Maurits' army in 1621, excelled as an officer under Frederik Hendrik van Nassau and was appointed Captain-general for Brazil by the WIC in 1636. He conquered various Portuguese settlements, and governed very efficiently. After returning to Europe he was appointed stadholder for Mark, Kleve and Minden by the Kurfürst of Brandenburg and in 1665 he was appointed commander for the Dutch army against Münster. He was appointed fieldmarshal in 1668 and fought in the Batlle of Séneffe in 1674.
E Willem Barentsz 1550 1597 1590 1597 6 5 0 0
Dutch explorer and cartographer, tried three times to find a NE passage to SE Asia, in 1594, 1595, and 1596-07. He is most famous for his third trip, discovering Bear Island and Spitsbergen, after which the ship froze in solid ice near Nova Zembla. The crew built the 'Behouden Huys' (the saved house) on the island and survived the harsh winter conditions. Barentz died on the way back in spring; captain van Heemskerck brought the rest of the men safely to Kola.
E Cornelis de Houtman 1565 1599 1592 1599 7 5 0 0
Went to Lisbon together with his brother Frederik to gather information on the trade with the East Indies, as dutch trade suffered from the Portuguese near-monopoly on goods from the area. In 1595 they left the Netherlands with a fleet, and was the first Dutchman who succeeded in sailing to the East Indies and back again. He was a man of little tact, and was murdered on orders of the sultan of Atjeh on his second trip.
E Jacob van Heemskerck 1567 1607 1595 1607 2 5 3 3
Famous dutch explorer/admiral. Was ship captain on Willem Barentz third expedition to Nova Zembla in 1597. In 1598 he left for the East Indies under Jacob van Neck, and was soon promoted to vice admiral. On this voyage he made trade arrangements at Banda, Ambon and Ternate. He left again for the East Indies in 1601, now an admiral, capturing a large Portuguese vessel in Malacca street that carried a very rich load. Van Heemskerck was an exceptional leader and in 1607 van Oldenbarnevelt asked him to lead a fleet for the republic intended to assault spanish ships in their own waters. In the battle of Gibraltar he completely destroyed a spanish fleet under Don Juan Alvarez de Aviles. Unfortunately he was mortally wounded himself during the battle.
E Henry Hudson 1565 1611 1608 1609 9 5 0 0
English Explorer, sailed twice for the Muscovy company in 1607/08 to find a NE passage to the Orient. In 1608 he came to the Netherlands and was sent on an expedition for the Dutch. He was blocked again by ice near Nova Zembla, and decided to try a NW passage instead. he explored a fair part of the NE coast of America, including the Hudson River, before returning to Europe. In 1610 he sailed a last time for the English, again unsuccesful in fing a NW passage to SE Asia. On the way back he was abandoned by his crew after a mutiny.
E Olivier van Noort 1558 1627 1598 1610 3 6 1 1
Dutch explorer, first Dutchman to circumnavigate the earth. He left Rotterdam with 4 ships and 240 men in july 1598, encountered a serious mutiny in November near Magelhaes Street. One of the ships was lost in a storm, two more in a battle with Spanish warships near the Philippines. With the only remaining ship van Noort sailed to the Moluccan islands, around the cape of Good Hope, and back to Rotterdam. In august 1601 he returned with 45 men.
E Jan Huygen van Linschoten 1563 1611 1583 1611 9 5 0 0
Dutch traveler and explorer who sailed via the Cape of Good Hope to Portuguese Goa (in India) in 1583 and later explored the Arctic Ocean. After his return to the Netherlands, he wrote two books containing valuable information about the peoples and customs of the country; these books were influential in stimulating early Dutch and English trade expeditions to India and the East Indies. In 1594 Linschoten sailed with the Dutch navigator Barentsz. in search of a NE shorter passage to the Orient via the Arctic. After reaching Novaya Zemlya, Barents returned to the Netherlands, while Linschoten sailed into the Kara Sea before being forced back by bad weather. In 1595 he and Barents tried again but failed because of early winter conditions. In 1601 Linschoten published his journal of these explorations, which inspired interest among the Dutch and the English in the search for a northern route to India.
E Hendrick Brouwer 1610 1615 5 6 0 0
Brouwer was the first to maintain a steady easterly course after rounding the Cape of Good Hope, turning north to Batavia only after having sailed some 4000 miles. His route benefitted greatly from prevailing winds and currents, enabling outbound ships to shorten the travelling time to Batavia from the previous 16/18 months to only 6 months.
E Jan Corneliszn May 1560 1617 1611 1617 6 5 0 0
Explorer sent on an expedition in 1611 by the admiralty of Amsterdam, to find a NE or NW passage to the East Indies. He sailed to Nova Zembla first and mapped part of the coast of North Eastern America. Discovered the island Jan Mayen in 1614.
E Willem Schouten 1580 1625 1601 1617 7 5 0 0
Dutch explorer, circumnavigator, sailed with Wolphert Harmenszn. to the East Indies in 1601-02 and undertook an expedition around the globe with Jaque le Maire in 1615-17. He discovered the Schouten Islands, off the north coast of New Guinea.
E Joris van Spilbergen 1568 1620 1601 1618 3 5 0 0
Dutch admiral, landed on Ceylon in 1602 and established a trading post. In 1614 he sailed again, with 6 ships, to follow a SE route to the Moluccan Islands in the East Indies. He lost one ship in the Magelhaes Street. At Arequipa he defeated a spanish fleet under Don Rodrigo de Mendoca. In 1616 he reached Ternate.
E Frederik de Houtman 1571 1627 1592 1623 4 5 0 0
Accompanied his brother Cornelis on both early trips to the East Indies, was freed by the Sultan of Atjeh after a request from Maurits van Nassau. He got back to Holland in 1602 and sailed again in 1603 with the fleet of Steven van der Haghen. He was the first governer for Amboina (1605-1611) On his last expedition in 1619 he discovered the Houtman Abrolhos, a group of islands off the Australian western coast.
E Abel Janszn Tasman 1603 1659 1639 1649 8 6 2 2
Famous dutch explorer; he embarked on several discovery expeditions from 1639 to 1648. In 1642/43 he made his most important trip, sailing around Australia for the first time, and discovering Tasmania and New Zealand.
E Jacob Roggeveen 1659 1729 1721 1725 5 4 0 0
18th century Dutch explorer, sailed for the WIC in 1721 with 3 ships, rounded cape Horn and discovered Easter Island with easter 1722.
G Karel van Egmont 1467 1538 1492 1538 1 3 3 2 1
Duke of Gelre (1492-1538), contested by Burgundy/Habsburg claims, which he fought during all of his reign. He enjoyed the support of the french king Francois I, and gained the four northern Dutch provinces of Groningen, Friesland, Drenthe and Overijssel in the war against Charles V's troops. He then conquered Utrecht in 1527 and in 1528 was finally recognized by Charles V as the rightful Duke of Gelre. Karel was not satisfied though and kept on fighting.
G Maarten van Rossum 1478 1555 1500 1543 2 3 2 3 1
Military commander for the Dutch province Gelre (which was independent at game start). He fought troops of Charles V very succesfully until the Peace of Venlo, when Gelre finally surrendered to the emperor. He conquered the provinces of Groningen, Friesland and Drenthe, and made numerous attacks against cities in Holland. In 1528 he succesfully besieged The Hague; in 1542 he besieged Antwerp. In 1552 he was appointed governer for Luzemburg by Charles V.
G Louis of Nassau 1538 1574 1557 1574 2 4 2 2 1
Brother of William of Orange, had a major part in the Dutch revolt. He led the army that won the battle of Heiligerlee in 1568, was later defeated by stronger Spanish forces under Alba at Jemmingen. In 1572 he besieged and conquered Bergen. In 1574 he died in the battle on the Mookerheide against Sancho d'Avila.
G Willem Lodewijk van Nassau 1560 1620 1579 1620 4 2 3 3 0
Count of Nassau, stadholder for the northern Dutch provinces, colonel in the army from 1579, fought against spanish commander Francisco Verdugo, took part in the siege and conquest of Groningen in 1594, thereafter he served under Maurits van Nassau and fought several battles against the spaniards.
G Walraad van Nassau-Usingen 1635 1702 1673 1702 1 3 3 2 1
Fürst of Nassau-Usingen, appointed general by William III in 1673, fieldmarshall in 1689. He fought in the Nine Year War, from 1696 as commander in chief of the Dutch army. In the Spanish Succession War he sieged and conquered Keizersweert, Venlo and Roermond.
G Menno van Coehoorn 1641 1704 1660 1704 3 3 2 1 3
Famous dutch fortifications and siege-expert. Joined the army at the age of 16, invented the Coehoorn mortar, improved the fortification knowledge greatly. In the nine year war he gathered fame with the sieges of Keizersweerd, Bonn and Namen and in the battle at Fleurus (1689-95). He was appointed as director general for fortifications and master-general of the artillery. At the start of the Spanish Succession War he was very influencial in the succesful sieges of Venlo, Roermond, Liege and Bonn (1702).
G Hendrik van Nassau 1640 1708 1697 1708 2 2 2 3 0
Fieldmarshall in the Dutch army, saved the life of Prince William III at St Denis in 1678. He followed the Prince to England in 1688 and was appointed general in 1697. Fought the Nine Year War and the Spanish Succession War, commanded the Dutch forces that joined Marlborough in the battles of Ramillies and Oudenaarde.
G John William Friso of Nassau 1687 1711 1707 1711 1 3 2 3 0
Prince of Orange, Fürst of Nassau-Dietz, fought in the Spanish war of succession, became commander in chief of the Dutch Army in 1707. He distinguished himself in the battles at Oudenaarde and Malplaquet -commanding the right wing under Marlborough- and at the siege of Rijsel (Lille).
G Cornelis van Nassau 1675 1712 1700 1712 3 2 3 3 0
Count of Nassau, infantry colonel in the army since 1700, major-general in 1709. Fought bravely in the spanish war of succession at Oudenaerde and Malplaquet where he was wounded. He died in battle at Denain near the river Schelde.
G Arnold Joost van Keppel 1669 1718 1701 1718 3 3 3 3 0
Count of Albemarle, went to England with William III in 1688, served as a general in the Dutch army in the Spanish succession war, took part in the battles at Ramillies, Oudenaarde and Malplaquet. He was captured in the battle at Denain.
G Willem Maurits van Nassau 1679 1753 1705 1747 1 3 2 2 0
Count of Nassau, colonel in the army since 1705, commander in chief of the dutch army in the austrian war of succession (1740-1748), fought 'the young pretender' Charles Edward Stuart in Scotland in 1745, defended the southern Netherlands against the french in 1747.
G Louis Ernst of Brunswick 1718 1788 1750 1784 1 2 2 2 1
German military commander, serving stadholders William IV and William V since 1750. Commander in chief for the Dutch forces from 1751 until 1784. He was held responsible (unjustified) for the unfavourable course of the 4th Anglo-Dutch war for the Dutch republic, and left in 1784.
G Herman Willem Daendels 1762 1818 1785 1818 2 2 2 2 0
Late 18th century Dutch general and politician, fought in Gelderland and Holland (1786-87), later for the Bataafse Republiek. He was appointed Governer General in the Dutch East Indies in 1807, where he reorganized the army and improved the infrastructure.
G David Hendrik Chassé 1765 1849 1785 1849 2 2 2 2 0
Dutch general, defended Holland against Prussian troops in 1787. After the defeat he fled to France. Fought with Napoleon later, as general-major, was awarded the Baron de L'Empire title. After the emperor's abdication he joined the Dutch Army again, and fought against Napoleon in the battle of Waterloo.

[LudwigIV]

...seems that the Dutch got the best leaders in Europe lol

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Ludwig IV, Grossherzog von Hessen-Darmstadt und bei Rhein etc.

[LudwigIV]

interesting research though...
Regards,

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Ludwig IV, Grossherzog von Hessen-Darmstadt und bei Rhein etc.

[Hartmann]

I appreciate Oranje´s research! But in order not to screw up the game balance, we have to be very careful with the stats. Especially with value 6. And the more so with siege value 6...

Hartmann

[Oranje]

Originally posted by Hartmann:
I appreciate Oranje´s research! But in order not to screw up the game balance, we have to be very careful with the stats. Especially with value 6. And the more so with siege value 6...

Hartmann

I'm afraid you misread my suggestions for stats. There's really noone with siege value 6. I left out the siege value unless a leader should have one.


greatings, Oranje

[Hartmann]

Oranje: Oops, you´re right, sorry! (I mistook some of the explorers/admirals for generals). When Doomie has finished collecting leaders, how should we proceed to adjust the final stats?

Hartmann

[Doomdark]

When Doomie has finished collecting leaders, how should we proceed to adjust the final stats?

The primary adjustments should take place in the 'leaders' thread, basically in the form of constructive criticism. (Specific, not general like it is now.) After that, I might tweak them a little for my own play tests. The final adjustments will be made by Greven, at least for those leaders that will make their way into future patches.

/Doomie

[Lubricus]

Oranje, I adore the form you've given this write-up. I see now you are a better man than myself.
Seriously, some of the values might be a bit to high, but as Doomdark mentioned, the discussion belongs in the leaders thread. Nice job.

[Oranje]

Originally posted by LudwigIV:
...seems that the Dutch got the best leaders in Europe lol

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but I would invite you to take a good look at the leaders files in the game, and compare my suggestions for the Dutch to what was already present in the game.
I lowered several values for leaders, and yes, I did add some names I felt cannot be missed, but I also left out quite a few that were already in the game.
Also, you should consider that the Netherlands had very good admirals in the 17th century, but virtually none before or after that. Same goes for good generals in the last century of the game, hardly any available.

greetings, Oranje