Swedish WC (Attempt) - Page 2

Skarion · 24-02-2006, 23:37

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What year belongs to each screen?

The last screen is 1517.

(What other screenshot years do you want?)

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What is your BB?

About 31,6 I think (Not sure though)

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That would be 38 BB......let's say that you're currently in 1510. Your diplomat rating for your king is rather low during the first century....BB=38-7 = 31?

Had plenty of excellent ministers and you still got better numbers then I got?

Nebukadnezar · 25-02-2006, 03:16

@Skarion: my numbers were just a rough estimation. Excellent ministers don't do much, since their bonus is applied for 1 year only and the BB-reduction is rather low even with excellent monarchs.
About the years: it will help your readers when you put the year above each post. I was able to make a guess at which year you're currently because I remember the english explorers (you took the english maps) but otherwise I wouldn't know

@Snake IV: BB is very important when you're plaing at VH for starting the BB-wars. So far Sweden hasn't started them (depends on difficulty level. On lower levels there aren't BB-Wars). You're a normal nation when you stay below your actual BB-Limit. Everybody will dow you when you cross that line which can be conveniant (they dow you, so you don't have to spend stability) but these BB-wars can be dangerous in the beginning.
BB is the most important currency when you go for WC because that's the number of provinces you can grab before triggering the BB-wars and that's why I was a bit curious to see so many provinces taken in offensive wars (2BB/each).
(Usually I start the BB-wars by diploannexing a very big vassal for example).

Snake IV · 25-02-2006, 09:42

Is that Pommern in Ingermanland? I can't be goldern horde can it?

Skarion · 25-02-2006, 09:45

I am rather close to BB wars...

Also I made just a practice continuation and I lowered my maintanence of my 90k-110k troops, and suddenly all nations started wars with me

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Is that Pommern in Ingermanland? I can't be goldern horde can it?

Yup, it is Pommern, thought on taking it, but dont want to come into war with the Teutonic order.

Duke of Wellington · 26-02-2006, 05:07

You've expanded quickly but your BB is going to slow you now I assume, its too early for BB wars isn't it? Sweden is a nice colour for WC

Yoy21 · 26-02-2006, 05:50

WOW. You are doing good. I have nenver played EU2 before, but what you're doing looks kinda easy.

Skarion · 26-02-2006, 11:42

Thanks Yoy21

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You've expanded quickly but your BB is going to slow you now I assume, its too early for BB wars isn't it? Sweden is a nice colour for WC

Noticed it myself, got too much wars with Austria and France when I try to play..

Will try to release some vassals and build more troops (So I lower BB and make them think twice before attacking me), but we should see how it goes...

Skarion · 26-02-2006, 13:45

WARNING:

I have now continued a while, and I am not sure if I want to go the way I have, as it just feel WRONG.

But as the way I will go now is the quickest way to a WC, I think is the best thing to do.

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As I begin to get too bad in BB and relationships I build an army about 30 000 soldiers in Jylland and in Geldre.

Even though I did that, Austria declared war on me.

The war was quick with me going into Flandern, Holland and Münster. Austria turned over Holland and Münster for peace.

As the war was over, I thought I had peace, at last. Sadly I was wrong and soon Austria declared war again with their allies. I got peace after a while giving them Holland back.

In 1525 protestantism showed it's ugly head and I had to reform my religion tollerance (As can be seen on the picture).

There I hold muslims as 0 tollerance (Got no muslim provinces and got no desire to conquer any on some time). Orthodox rather high to keep Russia at bay and keep Olonets from rebelling. Catholicism rather high as most my provinces are catholic and my ally is Poland is Catholic. Protestantism rather high as my provicnes are protestant.

Quickly after this France and Austria declared war on me. France was a quick success there I spread out on the western side of Orleans capturing provinces while I let France siege Calais. The peace I demanded (Which they accepted) was that I got a MA in France so I could move my armies to Austria.

Austria was almost as easy and after some months most of their cities in current Netherlands were occupied with their only success was taking Mecklenburg (Which I quickly retook).

In the peace I regained Holland and captured Flandern.

Now came the event which I disliked most.

In the "Parliament of Västerås" I get offered to either turn protestant or stay catholic. I want to turn protestant and save the Swedish heritage, BUT, as I want to make a WC I sadly staid Catholic to make sure I can quickly spread without any larger problems.

(And if I had gone protestant I am sure Poland would invade me as quick as possible)

CURRENT BORDERS 1532:
(Europe)

Nebukadnezar · 26-02-2006, 14:35

Staying catholic is good when you want to expand so you can eliminate protestant religion soon.
Most protestant provinces are in Scandinavia/northern Germany and a majority of these have your culture and low population. With the excellent adm-monarchs you have by now you can convert them very easily.
Send at least 1 settler to your colonies in northern Scandinavia/Iceland to make sure that not a colony is targeted when you get a free conversion event (in this case you wouldn't get a message) since Lappland/Narivk/etc are still protestant. Avoid TP's for the same reason if you're interested

Depending on what you plan with the netherlands you might want to give Flandern back to Spain/Austria (they may get an event conversion there) later (check their event files)

Yoy21 · 26-02-2006, 16:34

Does tolerating a religion mean you pay some thing for it?

Fnuco · 26-02-2006, 17:28

Good job there!

Love BB wars and I get so excited whenever somebody DOWs me, its like an adrenaline rush.

WC is always fun, did it once with Spain, but the Swedish blue seems much nicer!

*subscribing*

Nebukadnezar · 26-02-2006, 17:34

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Originally Posted by Yoy21

Does tolerating a religion mean you pay some thing for it?

Your stab costs will rise for each province with non-state-religion (see the FAQ for details)
Your tax income will be lower (see the FAQ for details, this is not that important since you'll get most of your money from trade taxes+production income in the later game out of each province)
You have only a few sliders for the many religions you'll have in their realm when you go for WC. Tolerating Orthodox, catholic+muslim would be a good choice later but then you will have high RR in each province with protestant/reformed religion. Better to eliminate them asap (or give them to vassals)

Yoy21 · 26-02-2006, 21:59

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Originally Posted by Nebukadnezar

Your stab costs will rise for each province with non-state-religion (see the FAQ for details)
Your tax income will be lower (see the FAQ for details, this is not that important since you'll get most of your money from trade taxes+production income in the later game out of each province)
You have only a few sliders for the many religions you'll have in their realm when you go for WC. Tolerating Orthodox, catholic+muslim would be a good choice later but then you will have high RR in each province with protestant/reformed religion. Better to eliminate them asap (or give them to vassals)

OK... i will check out the FAQ.

Duke of Wellington · 27-02-2006, 06:33

Things are getting a bit trickier but its makes an interesting read anyhow

Skarion · 28-02-2006, 12:01

The comming years after my bond to the catholic church I've been trying to dimnish the protestant church in my lands by inquistion and slowly making Sweden catholic.

Soon though (1539), Austria (With all their allies) and Russia declared war on me.

The Austria war was rather quick with Polish support with the province of Hannover gained by me and two provinces gained by Poland.

And the Russian front was almost a total catastrophe as whole of Finland was under Russian occupation.

Quickly though I moved in with my 30 000 soldiers split up in two armies, one led by Tre Rosor, and together they could quickly destroy the warthorn Russian armies and assault their castles. Which led to Return to Status Quos.

Sometime around here I noticed that the Teutons were annexed by Lithuania, (!) which ment that my plans for them was destroyed.

SO, I am thinking about invading Lithuania and creating Teuton vassals, but that will have to happend some other time because Poland experienced a civil war.

Saxony, Brandenburg and Magdeburg declared independence under it as well as Austria declared war once again...

My armies moved into Brandenburg and Saxony. Brandenburg accepted peace with Poland quickly (Giving Poland 25 gold).

I am at the momment sieging Saxony's capital, Zeeland, Kleves and some other provinces with newly raised armies.

Hopefully I will be able to vassalize Austria, but I doubt I will be able to do it in time before Russia declares war on me again...

Skarion · 28-02-2006, 19:13

I think this session was rather successfull:

The first war was rather successfull, as I made peace rather quickly and not strived for vassalisation (As I had considered at first), I isntead gained Anhalt from Saxony (Which Poland afterwards annexed), made Baden and Bavaria my vassals and gained the provinces of Brabant, Hessen and Kleves from Austria.

After the war was finnished, Portugal agreed to alliance in 1557.

Now thought, three things happend of importance. First Spain inherited the lands of future Netherlands, Austria declared war on me and Russia declared war on me.

So the first thing I did was to announce a new Netherlands, which stole by its creation the province of Zeeland, got reformed provinces away from me, made a nation which will get colonies which I hope to be able to annex and also that I got a nation which could help me fight.

When peace was concluded my current vassals are:
- Pfalz
- Netherlands
- Baden
- Bavaria

Austria is removed from my borders which I hope makes sure that they won't invade me.

The provinces of Köln and Maine were gained.

BUT, problems are:

- Poland have annex Lithuania which will make my plans for the Teutons hard to say the least.

- Denmark sits in copenhagen with 50 000 soldiers declaring war on me, and then sits there doing nothing for some years until they accept peace.

- Russia still posess the glory of General Winter.

CURRENT BORDERS:
1569

Grundius · 28-02-2006, 20:25

Releasing the Netherlands as a vassal to steal provs... you gotta love it

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Skarion · 28-02-2006, 20:35

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Releasing the Netherlands as a vassal to steal provs... you gotta love it

yup

The problems come though if they break the vassalisation or refuse to be annex, take ages to reclaim everything...

Duke of Wellington · 28-02-2006, 21:21

Sneaky but nice move using the Dutch like that. The advance is continuing nicely. I'm glad Russia fell in the end. When you said all of Finland was covered I thought you might be gonig to lose ground. Get revenge on them this war

Skarion · 28-02-2006, 21:27

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Sneaky but nice move using the Dutch like that. The advance is continuing nicely. I'm glad Russia fell in the end. When you said all of Finland was covered I thought you might be gonig to lose ground. Get revenge on them this war

Now as both France and Austria are out of the game, I think Russia is the sole combatant, whom I hopefull will take care of in next update

25-02-2006, 09:42	#23
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26-02-2006, 05:07	#25
Duke of Wellington Khan Demi Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 10,075	You've expanded quickly but your BB is going to slow you now I assume, its too early for BB wars isn't it? Sweden is a nice colour for WC __________________ AARs Completed Golden Horde (EUII), Golden Horde (EUI), Theodoros, Shaybanid, Bhutan, Kanem Bornu Current Sweden

26-02-2006, 13:45	#28
Skarion Field Marshal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,320 Blog Entries: 3	WARNING: I have now continued a while, and I am not sure if I want to go the way I have, as it just feel WRONG. But as the way I will go now is the quickest way to a WC, I think is the best thing to do. ---------------- As I begin to get too bad in BB and relationships I build an army about 30 000 soldiers in Jylland and in Geldre. Even though I did that, Austria declared war on me. The war was quick with me going into Flandern, Holland and Münster. Austria turned over Holland and Münster for peace. As the war was over, I thought I had peace, at last. Sadly I was wrong and soon Austria declared war again with their allies. I got peace after a while giving them Holland back. In 1525 protestantism showed it's ugly head and I had to reform my religion tollerance (As can be seen on the picture). There I hold muslims as 0 tollerance (Got no muslim provinces and got no desire to conquer any on some time). Orthodox rather high to keep Russia at bay and keep Olonets from rebelling. Catholicism rather high as most my provinces are catholic and my ally is Poland is Catholic. Protestantism rather high as my provicnes are protestant. Quickly after this France and Austria declared war on me. France was a quick success there I spread out on the western side of Orleans capturing provinces while I let France siege Calais. The peace I demanded (Which they accepted) was that I got a MA in France so I could move my armies to Austria. Austria was almost as easy and after some months most of their cities in current Netherlands were occupied with their only success was taking Mecklenburg (Which I quickly retook). In the peace I regained Holland and captured Flandern. Now came the event which I disliked most. In the "Parliament of Västerås" I get offered to either turn protestant or stay catholic. I want to turn protestant and save the Swedish heritage, BUT, as I want to make a WC I sadly staid Catholic to make sure I can quickly spread without any larger problems. (And if I had gone protestant I am sure Poland would invade me as quick as possible) CURRENT BORDERS 1532: (Europe) __________________ Quite a different guy for quite a different world. The World is Divided! Download before it's too late! Stolt monarkist. "Bóg nam radzi" ●●●●

26-02-2006, 17:28	#31
Fnuco I follow the Hawk Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Romania <-> Italy Posts: 2,999	Good job there! Love BB wars and I get so excited whenever somebody DOWs me, its like an adrenaline rush. WC is always fun, did it once with Spain, but the Swedish blue seems much nicer! subscribing __________________ AARs: Pictorial and gameplay - China: The Yellow Fever - Favorite EU2 Gameplay AAR Q2 2006, Q1 2007, Q2 2007 Comedy - England: All your COT are belong to us - Weekly AAR Showcase 25-02-07, Favorite EU2 AAR Q1 2007, Favorite EU2 Comedy AAR Q2 2007 History book - Spain: The final frontier *You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.*

27-02-2006, 06:33	#34
Duke of Wellington Khan Demi Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 10,075	Things are getting a bit trickier but its makes an interesting read anyhow __________________ AARs Completed Golden Horde (EUII), Golden Horde (EUI), Theodoros, Shaybanid, Bhutan, Kanem Bornu Current Sweden

25-02-2006, 03:16	#22
Nebukadnezar Major Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany, Hamburg Posts: 698	@Skarion: my numbers were just a rough estimation. Excellent ministers don't do much, since their bonus is applied for 1 year only and the BB-reduction is rather low even with excellent monarchs. About the years: it will help your readers when you put the year above each post. I was able to make a guess at which year you're currently because I remember the english explorers (you took the english maps) but otherwise I wouldn't know @Snake IV: BB is very important when you're plaing at VH for starting the BB-wars. So far Sweden hasn't started them (depends on difficulty level. On lower levels there aren't BB-Wars). You're a normal nation when you stay below your actual BB-Limit. Everybody will dow you when you cross that line which can be conveniant (they dow you, so you don't have to spend stability) but these BB-wars can be dangerous in the beginning. BB is the most important currency when you go for WC because that's the number of provinces you can grab before triggering the BB-wars and that's why I was a bit curious to see so many provinces taken in offensive wars (2BB/each). (Usually I start the BB-wars by diploannexing a very big vassal for example).

26-02-2006, 05:50	#26
Yoy21 Winning unfairly since 2001 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,135	WOW. You are doing good. I have nenver played EU2 before, but what you're doing looks kinda easy.

26-02-2006, 14:35	#29
Nebukadnezar Major Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany, Hamburg Posts: 698	Staying catholic is good when you want to expand so you can eliminate protestant religion soon. Most protestant provinces are in Scandinavia/northern Germany and a majority of these have your culture and low population. With the excellent adm-monarchs you have by now you can convert them very easily. Send at least 1 settler to your colonies in northern Scandinavia/Iceland to make sure that not a colony is targeted when you get a free conversion event (in this case you wouldn't get a message) since Lappland/Narivk/etc are still protestant. Avoid TP's for the same reason if you're interested Depending on what you plan with the netherlands you might want to give Flandern back to Spain/Austria (they may get an event conversion there) later (check their event files)

26-02-2006, 16:34	#30
Yoy21 Winning unfairly since 2001 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,135	Does tolerating a religion mean you pay some thing for it?

28-02-2006, 12:01	#35
Skarion Field Marshal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,320 Blog Entries: 3	The comming years after my bond to the catholic church I've been trying to dimnish the protestant church in my lands by inquistion and slowly making Sweden catholic. Soon though (1539), Austria (With all their allies) and Russia declared war on me. The Austria war was rather quick with Polish support with the province of Hannover gained by me and two provinces gained by Poland. And the Russian front was almost a total catastrophe as whole of Finland was under Russian occupation. Quickly though I moved in with my 30 000 soldiers split up in two armies, one led by Tre Rosor, and together they could quickly destroy the warthorn Russian armies and assault their castles. Which led to Return to Status Quos. Sometime around here I noticed that the Teutons were annexed by Lithuania, (!) which ment that my plans for them was destroyed. SO, I am thinking about invading Lithuania and creating Teuton vassals, but that will have to happend some other time because Poland experienced a civil war. Saxony, Brandenburg and Magdeburg declared independence under it as well as Austria declared war once again... My armies moved into Brandenburg and Saxony. Brandenburg accepted peace with Poland quickly (Giving Poland 25 gold). I am at the momment sieging Saxony's capital, Zeeland, Kleves and some other provinces with newly raised armies. Hopefully I will be able to vassalize Austria, but I doubt I will be able to do it in time before Russia declares war on me again... __________________ Quite a different guy for quite a different world. The World is Divided! Download before it's too late! Stolt monarkist. "Bóg nam radzi" ●●●●

28-02-2006, 19:13	#36
Skarion Field Marshal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,320 Blog Entries: 3	I think this session was rather successfull: The first war was rather successfull, as I made peace rather quickly and not strived for vassalisation (As I had considered at first), I isntead gained Anhalt from Saxony (Which Poland afterwards annexed), made Baden and Bavaria my vassals and gained the provinces of Brabant, Hessen and Kleves from Austria. After the war was finnished, Portugal agreed to alliance in 1557. Now thought, three things happend of importance. First Spain inherited the lands of future Netherlands, Austria declared war on me and Russia declared war on me. So the first thing I did was to announce a new Netherlands, which stole by its creation the province of Zeeland, got reformed provinces away from me, made a nation which will get colonies which I hope to be able to annex and also that I got a nation which could help me fight. When peace was concluded my current vassals are: - Pfalz - Netherlands - Baden - Bavaria Austria is removed from my borders which I hope makes sure that they won't invade me. The provinces of Köln and Maine were gained. BUT, problems are: - Poland have annex Lithuania which will make my plans for the Teutons hard to say the least. - Denmark sits in copenhagen with 50 000 soldiers declaring war on me, and then sits there doing nothing for some years until they accept peace. - Russia still posess the glory of General Winter. CURRENT BORDERS: 1569 __________________ Quite a different guy for quite a different world. The World is Divided! Download before it's too late! Stolt monarkist. "Bóg nam radzi" ●●●●

28-02-2006, 20:25	#37
Grundius Armchair Megalomaniac Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Usually below sea level Posts: 1,814	Releasing the Netherlands as a vassal to steal provs... you gotta love it . __________________ Bah weep graaagnah wheep ni ni bong!

28-02-2006, 21:21	#39
Duke of Wellington Khan Demi Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 10,075	Sneaky but nice move using the Dutch like that. The advance is continuing nicely. I'm glad Russia fell in the end. When you said all of Finland was covered I thought you might be gonig to lose ground. Get revenge on them this war __________________ AARs Completed Golden Horde (EUII), Golden Horde (EUI), Theodoros, Shaybanid, Bhutan, Kanem Bornu Current Sweden