Peace with China?

Sir Galahad · 13-02-2006, 23:28

Hi people!
If you hate unnecessarily long and pointless posts, jump down to the (almost) last sentence please.

I have a slight problem, higly personal I guess. The thing is that I´ve been avoiding playing Japan for a while, but has started to miss the Pacific war.

The big issue for me is that I don´t want the game too unhistoricall already before the start of WW2, which is the case with these various chinese fractions annexed. Also, after that it seems like it´s quite easy to continue to India and the Middle east, and I don´t want that, especially not pre Pearl Harbour. I feel that such a move somehow makes the game surrealistic and twisted, Japan becomes extremely powerful and it takes the focus of from the Pacific. No more struggle as the underdog, kinda.

So, my question is, for those who know: Is it possible to reach some kind of peace-agreements with those chinese fractions after some initiall success? I would like to stop the war when basically the coastal provinces are taken, annex those, and concentrate on the Pacific.

I know that didn´t happen IRL either, but it feels somehow a little too easy to annex all of China. Of course, I could deliberately stop conquering chinese territory, but that would feel like, I don´t know... Just strange. Gamey backwards, so to speak.

Long story short then: Is it possible for China to accept a harsh peace with Japan (without cheating)? Have someone done this?

Have a nice evening everyone, or whatever you have.

(Oh, almost forgot. Paradox, Give Goa back to Portugal. Now.)

ulmont · 13-02-2006, 23:57

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Originally Posted by Sir Galahad

Long story short then: Is it possible for China to accept a harsh peace with Japan (without cheating)? Have someone done this?

I think your best chance for a harsh peace with Japan is going to be through the Chinese surrender. You'll have to be holding Nanjing, Shanghai, and Hangzhou, and also have China holding less than 25% of their national provinces (but note that all the warlords will be counted against China for these purposes, I think, as well as Tibet and Mongolia).

Sharkfreak06 · 14-02-2006, 01:19

Well in a way Japan did stop moving into Chinese territory on their own decision. They could have easily concentrated many more troops in China and gone after the whole thing. The thing was that their goal wasn't to annex China, it was only to conquer the Pacific-bordering territory so they could have more naval bases and rare materials and the like. Historically, the inner China really was completely useless, it just presented a huge problem with millions of chinese farmers fighting the Japanese, so they didn't even try to touch that.

Why don't you just do what the did if you want historical accuracy, lay back on the defensive after you've captured everything that matters, and take the Pacific/ India?

Jemisi · 14-02-2006, 01:25

Win fast then puppet. You will get peace and some more experience and action before the big one.

Sir Galahad · 14-02-2006, 16:10

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Originally Posted by Sharkfreak06

Why don't you just do what the did if you want historical accuracy, lay back on the defensive after you've captured everything that matters, and take the Pacific/ India?

I´m afraid that China will grow unhistorically strong then, I guess, considering their manpower. What do you think?

BlitzMartinDK · 14-02-2006, 17:38

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Originally Posted by Sir Galahad

I´m afraid that China will grow unhistorically strong then, I guess, considering their manpower. What do you think?

The chinese have lousy tech teams. You will almost always be ahead of them, tech wise..with a proper defensive line, and after taking the industrius parts of china, it might work wery well...

Sir Galahad · 14-02-2006, 19:24

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Originally Posted by BlitzMartinDK

The chinese have lousy tech teams. You will almost always be ahead of them, tech wise..with a proper defensive line, and after taking the industrius parts of china, it might work wery well...

Let´s hope so. I have started my game now and at the moment I´m studying the chinese maps. It actually seems like you should be right. A major part of the inland territories are useless. They should not be able to build much... Let´s see how this will play out.

By the way, when can I expect the event to fire?

BlitzMartinDK · 15-02-2006, 16:45

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Originally Posted by Sir Galahad

..at the moment I´m studying the chinese maps. It actually seems like you should be right. A major part of the inland territories are useless. They should not be able to build much...

ehhmm..there is a small detail..when you start conquering china..a lot of factories (i think about 30-something..) move inland! They even get one or two more factories out of it! Stealing them right out of your (conquered) provinces

But still a good strategy, you might just want a few provinces more...

BlitzMartinDK · 15-02-2006, 16:46

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Originally Posted by Sir Galahad

By the way, when can I expect the event to fire?

Wich event?

Aychiwawa · 15-02-2006, 18:32

basicly there is two ways....at some point if you took enough VP as been told before...china offers peace....if you keep on it...couple month later there is the Dragon downfall or sometihnglike....at that point war is over and you have 3 choises...take it all as Mercury....make them a puppet and cant remember the third...but maybe again a peace having what you already conquer......but answaring some others....why not to taking all....if you do.... that is a bridgehead perfect to take over SU and its puppets...halving SU territories the useless I know....but just one step from where they will send their industries when barbarossa arise.....you also have access to north india.... and when vichy comes total Asia could be on your feet....(well first india and indochina and later SU )many resourses...many manpower...and many beaches to defend also...but nothing that a good strategic redeploy can afford....

13-02-2006, 23:28	#1
Sir Galahad Colonel Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,078	Peace with China? Hi people! If you hate unnecessarily long and pointless posts, jump down to the (almost) last sentence please. I have a slight problem, higly personal I guess. The thing is that I´ve been avoiding playing Japan for a while, but has started to miss the Pacific war. The big issue for me is that I don´t want the game too unhistoricall already before the start of WW2, which is the case with these various chinese fractions annexed. Also, after that it seems like it´s quite easy to continue to India and the Middle east, and I don´t want that, especially not pre Pearl Harbour. I feel that such a move somehow makes the game surrealistic and twisted, Japan becomes extremely powerful and it takes the focus of from the Pacific. No more struggle as the underdog, kinda. So, my question is, for those who know: Is it possible to reach some kind of peace-agreements with those chinese fractions after some initiall success? I would like to stop the war when basically the coastal provinces are taken, annex those, and concentrate on the Pacific. I know that didn´t happen IRL either, but it feels somehow a little too easy to annex all of China. Of course, I could deliberately stop conquering chinese territory, but that would feel like, I don´t know... Just strange. Gamey backwards, so to speak. Long story short then: Is it possible for China to accept a harsh peace with Japan (without cheating)? Have someone done this? Have a nice evening everyone, or whatever you have. (Oh, almost forgot. Paradox, Give Goa back to Portugal. Now.)

14-02-2006, 01:19	#3
Sharkfreak06 Lt. General Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: People's Republik of Kalifornia Posts: 1,478	Well in a way Japan did stop moving into Chinese territory on their own decision. They could have easily concentrated many more troops in China and gone after the whole thing. The thing was that their goal wasn't to annex China, it was only to conquer the Pacific-bordering territory so they could have more naval bases and rare materials and the like. Historically, the inner China really was completely useless, it just presented a huge problem with millions of chinese farmers fighting the Japanese, so they didn't even try to touch that. Why don't you just do what the did if you want historical accuracy, lay back on the defensive after you've captured everything that matters, and take the Pacific/ India?

14-02-2006, 01:25	#4
Jemisi Lt. General Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,440	Win fast then puppet. You will get peace and some more experience and action before the big one.

15-02-2006, 18:32	#10
Aychiwawa Second Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 124	basicly there is two ways....at some point if you took enough VP as been told before...china offers peace....if you keep on it...couple month later there is the Dragon downfall or sometihnglike....at that point war is over and you have 3 choises...take it all as Mercury....make them a puppet and cant remember the third...but maybe again a peace having what you already conquer......but answaring some others....why not to taking all....if you do.... that is a bridgehead perfect to take over SU and its puppets...halving SU territories the useless I know....but just one step from where they will send their industries when barbarossa arise.....you also have access to north india.... and when vichy comes total Asia could be on your feet....(well first india and indochina and later SU )many resourses...many manpower...and many beaches to defend also...but nothing that a good strategic redeploy can afford....