New Map: Korea

yuje · 05-02-2005, 12:46

For the map of Korea, I suggest using the EU2 Asian chapter as a guideline. The provinces they have are historically accurate, as Korea was divided into those eight provinces during the EU 2 timeline and unchanged for hundreds of years, though their names have. They were formed 1413 and lasted until 1896, so just right for the EU2 timeframe. The names given on the EU2 Asian map are the modern ones, adopted in the late 19th century. Here's a list of more historically accurate names for the EU2 time period:

Modern/Asian EU2 name-->historic regional name (provincial capital)
Chungcheong-->Hoseo (capital: Gongju)
Gangwon-->Yeongdong (capital: Wonju)
Gyeonggi-->Gijeon (capital: Hanseong)
Gyeongsang-->Yeongnam (capital: Daegu)
Hamgyŏng-->Kwanbuk (capital: Hamhŭng)
Hwanghae-->Haesŏ (capital: Haeju)
Jeolla -->Honam (capital:Jeonju)
P'yŏngan-->Kwansŏ (capital: P'yongyang)

FFFootix · 05-02-2005, 16:54

The new roman transcription of Korean names no more includes " ' " (P'usan is now Busan) nor accents.

XIth century

XVth century

FFFootix · 05-02-2005, 18:22

this link may help : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_P...es_%28Korea%29
may be it is the one you used

Leone · 06-02-2005, 04:00

The EU2: Asia Chapter map itself is...ugly. As sin. It looks nothing like Korea. The eight provinces sound right, but what is needed right now is a map of them. I will go searching for one.

Jinnai · 06-02-2005, 04:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leone

The EU2: Asia Chapter map itself is...ugly. As sin. It looks nothing like Korea. The eight provinces sound right, but what is needed right now is a map of them. I will go searching for one.

Hey its better than they did for Japan....they got 1 province right...Ezochi should be called Ezo.

Cagliostro · 06-02-2005, 04:55

I agree that visually speaking, Korea is pretty ugly with the other map. There must be a better map that can be used if we're modifying the current one.

XieChengnuo · 06-02-2005, 07:51

Try this map, guys -- keep making suggestions to split up Korea.

Norrefeldt · 06-02-2005, 11:04

8 provinces sound about right for Korea.

Leone · 06-02-2005, 20:19

The problem is finding a map to work from. I can't find any that give a decent approximation of Korea's paldo (eight provinces).

Aetius · 07-02-2005, 07:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jinnai

Hey its better than they did for Japan....they got 1 province right...Ezochi should be called Ezo.

There are plenty of Japanese sources that call it Ezochi and its official name was Ezochi. It was changed from Ezochi to Hokkaido in 1869. What other evidence do you need?

Aetius · 07-02-2005, 07:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leone

The problem is finding a map to work from. I can't find any that give a decent approximation of Korea's paldo (eight provinces).

The modern provinces are based on splits of the older provinces. Just merge the new ones and you'll get the old borders, except for Gangwon

Leone · 17-02-2005, 00:01

Alright, I've come up with a working map of Korea based on XieChengnuo's template. I need somewhere to host it, though. Any offers?

TommyIlRomano · 17-02-2005, 00:19

8 province Korea...

Leone · 17-02-2005, 02:27

Nevermind. Here it is:

Thoughts?

Leone · 17-02-2005, 02:28

And yes, they are all clickable. I've tested them with both army and city icons.

XieChengnuo · 17-02-2005, 04:01

looks wonderful

I wonder what the native Korean for these province names are...

Leone · 17-02-2005, 04:11

I think those are the names? Or do you mean the characters? All the sources that I've found use those names for the paldo.

Garbon · 17-02-2005, 04:13

How much excitement goes down in Korea? (I honestly don't know)

Aetius · 17-02-2005, 04:16

From memory:
Japanese invasion in 1592 and 1596
Manchu invasion/conquest in the 17th century

Leone · 17-02-2005, 04:19

Hamgyeong: 함경
Pyeongan: 평안
Hwanghae: 황해
Gangwon: 강원
Gyeonggi: 경기
Chungcheong: 충청
Jeolla: 전라
Gyeongsang: 경상

If anyone is interested, this is the Hangul of each province. I don't know if I can do the Hanja.

05-02-2005, 12:46	#1
yuje First Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 252	New Map: Korea For the map of Korea, I suggest using the EU2 Asian chapter as a guideline. The provinces they have are historically accurate, as Korea was divided into those eight provinces during the EU 2 timeline and unchanged for hundreds of years, though their names have. They were formed 1413 and lasted until 1896, so just right for the EU2 timeframe. The names given on the EU2 Asian map are the modern ones, adopted in the late 19th century. Here's a list of more historically accurate names for the EU2 time period: Modern/Asian EU2 name-->historic regional name (provincial capital) Chungcheong-->Hoseo (capital: Gongju) Gangwon-->Yeongdong (capital: Wonju) Gyeonggi-->Gijeon (capital: Hanseong) Gyeongsang-->Yeongnam (capital: Daegu) Hamgyŏng-->Kwanbuk (capital: Hamhŭng) Hwanghae-->Haesŏ (capital: Haeju) Jeolla -->Honam (capital:Jeonju) P'yŏngan-->Kwansŏ (capital: P'yongyang)

05-02-2005, 16:54	#2
FFFootix Field Marshal Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Villeurbanne (France) Posts: 5,350	The new roman transcription of Korean names no more includes " ' " (P'usan is now Busan) nor accents. XIth century XVth century __________________ Par ici RHONE-ALPES ! Last edited by FFFootix; 05-02-2005 at 18:45.

05-02-2005, 18:22	#3
FFFootix Field Marshal Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Villeurbanne (France) Posts: 5,350	this link may help : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_P...es_%28Korea%29 may be it is the one you used __________________ Par ici RHONE-ALPES !

06-02-2005, 04:00	#4
Leone No. 33 the Mysterious Stranger Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In the cedar-limbs. Posts: 343	The EU2: Asia Chapter map itself is...ugly. As sin. It looks nothing like Korea. The eight provinces sound right, but what is needed right now is a map of them. I will go searching for one. __________________ 8. Water The best of man is like water, Which benefits all things, and does not oppose them, Which flows in places that others disdain, Where it is in harmony with the Way. So the sage: Lives within nature, Thinks within the deep, Gives within impartiality, Speaks within trust, Governs within order, Crafts within ability, Acts within opportunity. He does not contend, and none contend against him.

06-02-2005, 04:55	#6
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06-02-2005, 07:51	#7
XieChengnuo Field Marshal Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 4,426	Try this map, guys -- keep making suggestions to split up Korea. __________________ Victoria Flag Directory Clio's Iron Heart

06-02-2005, 11:04	#8
Norrefeldt Porphyrogenitus Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: EU Posts: 7,433	8 provinces sound about right for Korea. __________________ AGCEEP High Council Member The great unified mod - AGCEEP 1.57 Links to the first release of the HC map ICQ 174373941

06-02-2005, 20:19	#9
Leone No. 33 the Mysterious Stranger Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In the cedar-limbs. Posts: 343	The problem is finding a map to work from. I can't find any that give a decent approximation of Korea's paldo (eight provinces). __________________ 8. Water The best of man is like water, Which benefits all things, and does not oppose them, Which flows in places that others disdain, Where it is in harmony with the Way. So the sage: Lives within nature, Thinks within the deep, Gives within impartiality, Speaks within trust, Governs within order, Crafts within ability, Acts within opportunity. He does not contend, and none contend against him.

17-02-2005, 00:01	#12
Leone No. 33 the Mysterious Stranger Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In the cedar-limbs. Posts: 343	Alright, I've come up with a working map of Korea based on XieChengnuo's template. I need somewhere to host it, though. Any offers? __________________ 8. Water The best of man is like water, Which benefits all things, and does not oppose them, Which flows in places that others disdain, Where it is in harmony with the Way. So the sage: Lives within nature, Thinks within the deep, Gives within impartiality, Speaks within trust, Governs within order, Crafts within ability, Acts within opportunity. He does not contend, and none contend against him.

17-02-2005, 00:19	#13
TommyIlRomano Sono stupefacente. Join Date: May 2004 Location: NOT Turkey!!!!!!! Posts: 192	8 province Korea...

17-02-2005, 02:27	#14
Leone No. 33 the Mysterious Stranger Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In the cedar-limbs. Posts: 343	Nevermind. Here it is: Thoughts? __________________ 8. Water The best of man is like water, Which benefits all things, and does not oppose them, Which flows in places that others disdain, Where it is in harmony with the Way. So the sage: Lives within nature, Thinks within the deep, Gives within impartiality, Speaks within trust, Governs within order, Crafts within ability, Acts within opportunity. He does not contend, and none contend against him.

17-02-2005, 02:28	#15
Leone No. 33 the Mysterious Stranger Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In the cedar-limbs. Posts: 343	And yes, they are all clickable. I've tested them with both army and city icons. __________________ 8. Water The best of man is like water, Which benefits all things, and does not oppose them, Which flows in places that others disdain, Where it is in harmony with the Way. So the sage: Lives within nature, Thinks within the deep, Gives within impartiality, Speaks within trust, Governs within order, Crafts within ability, Acts within opportunity. He does not contend, and none contend against him.

17-02-2005, 04:01	#16
XieChengnuo Field Marshal Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 4,426	looks wonderful I wonder what the native Korean for these province names are... __________________ Victoria Flag Directory Clio's Iron Heart

17-02-2005, 04:11	#17
Leone No. 33 the Mysterious Stranger Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In the cedar-limbs. Posts: 343	I think those are the names? Or do you mean the characters? All the sources that I've found use those names for the paldo. __________________ 8. Water The best of man is like water, Which benefits all things, and does not oppose them, Which flows in places that others disdain, Where it is in harmony with the Way. So the sage: Lives within nature, Thinks within the deep, Gives within impartiality, Speaks within trust, Governs within order, Crafts within ability, Acts within opportunity. He does not contend, and none contend against him.

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17-02-2005, 04:16	#19
Aetius Nitpicker Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Tokyo Posts: 9,138	From memory: Japanese invasion in 1592 and 1596 Manchu invasion/conquest in the 17th century __________________ "We demand guaranteed, rigidly-defined, areas of doubt and uncertainty" Vroomfondel

17-02-2005, 04:19	#20
Leone No. 33 the Mysterious Stranger Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In the cedar-limbs. Posts: 343	Hamgyeong: 함경 Pyeongan: 평안 Hwanghae: 황해 Gangwon: 강원 Gyeonggi: 경기 Chungcheong: 충청 Jeolla: 전라 Gyeongsang: 경상 If anyone is interested, this is the Hangul of each province. I don't know if I can do the Hanja. __________________ 8. Water The best of man is like water, Which benefits all things, and does not oppose them, Which flows in places that others disdain, Where it is in harmony with the Way. So the sage: Lives within nature, Thinks within the deep, Gives within impartiality, Speaks within trust, Governs within order, Crafts within ability, Acts within opportunity. He does not contend, and none contend against him. Last edited by Leone; 17-02-2005 at 07:04.