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• Jan 21, 2005

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A CSA HOI2 scenario

Hello everyone. I’m considering a “little” project: to create an alternate history scenario starting in 1936, featuring a world where the Confederate States of America survived the civil war. Of course it’ll require some work to craft a history for this state and its effect on the world. Leaders and tech teams (and naval units) will have to be distributed between CSA and US (Maybe there are some leaders included in HOI2, I must admit I haven’t look yet). Events are something that should be included too. States on former US territory could include: CSA, USA, California, Utah (State of Deseret?) and maybe more.and energy to make this happen?

 

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• Jan 21, 2005

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Sounds like Turtledove...

 

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• Jan 21, 2005

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Yes, and NO. I'm not a fan of Turtledove's and I don't envision a background with time travellers delivering AK-47s to the South.

 

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• Jan 21, 2005

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A small first step. The State of Deseret.

 

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Why giving Nevada to Deseret?

 

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• Jan 21, 2005

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Well nothing is decided yet. I based it loosly on this:

Check out Wikipedia for more.

 

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cthulhu said:

Yes, and NO. I'm not a fan of Turtledove's and I don't envision a background with time travellers delivering AK-47s to the South.

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That's not the only alt history Turtledove wrote about a successful CSA, though. How Few Remain -> The Great War -> American Empire -> Return Engagement is an ongoing series of trilogies that chart the success of the CSA, its defeat in WW1 (along with the rest of the Quadruple Entente), and it's rise as a Fascist power for WW2.

 

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• Jan 22, 2005

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Thanks for the info. I won't read the books but I'll check out the summaries.

 

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sounds like my mod for hoi1, although in mine other alternte things happened all around the world.

 

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been waiting for this. help all i can..ive read both turtledove series
that DOESENT involve ludicrous AK-47's, and it is both enjoyable and a fount of information we could draw on. (features a deseret too! im pleased with this..mormon gf, mormons are soo cuute ^_^) i can perhaps help with general names and ministers? anything else i can do i promise i will.

more then utah seems right for the mormons, but shouldent they have some of california by that map?

 

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This sounds really cool. I really like the idea for a mormon state, would they start out at war with the US? Or is this mod going to assume they have independence?

 

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• Jan 22, 2005

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biosis123: Damn! I completely missed that one. I'm not sure how the world is affected by the situation in NA. At least, some of the Caribbean islands might be distributed differently. THe CSA might well control the Panama canal.

Lettow77: First of all, great that you want to help. I'm glad to have you aboard. I checked the other Turtledove CSA books and they sound much better. I'm not going for an exact copy but we can steal and draw a lot of ideas from your knowledge of the story. Hopefully at least a couple more to join us and then we can divide the USA leader file and go through it and distribute between the new states. No borders have been decided yet, but check out the next post with both CAL and CSA in.

Fenwick: Well my initial idea was that they just claimed ahuge chunk of territory when it became obvious that the North was losing. Then CSA was happy to support the Mormon's claims in the Peace treay, to weaken the USA. The somwhere California should be free and the alliances and outcome of TGW has to be decided.

 

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• Jan 22, 2005

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Clearly the borders need adjusting...maybe the CSA capital should be Atlanta? I'm not very happy with the CSA color either. Should be gray I think...

 

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• Jan 22, 2005

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Didn't the CSA also control new mexico territory which I think included modern New Mexico and Arizona?

 

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• Jan 22, 2005

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The CSA you see in the screen shot consist of the provinces given in the revolt file in HOI2. The exact border will have to be decided when the alt history has been created.

 

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shouldnt oklahoma be confederate?

 

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• Jan 22, 2005

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Probably yeah. But it depends on how the background develops, but I have a basic idea for a timeline and its main difference from Turtledove's is that the CSA was victorious in the Great war.

 

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I have been waiting a long time to play the civil war

 

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• Jan 22, 2005

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Looks excellent, I've been wanting such a scenario for a while

 

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cthulhu said:

biosis123: Damn! I completely missed that one. I'm not sure how the world is affected by the situation in NA. At least, some of the Caribbean islands might be distributed differently. THe CSA might well control the Panama canal.

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i dont think so after a lond war on both parts the CSA or the USA wouldnt have had the money to purches teh panama canal; and finish it therefore it should be returned to the columbians.