OOC: Well, could always just post it up here...and if you want could possibly make the whole thing public. That way when we get to war Dury will be able to follow what we want.
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What, what and what????? 
I go off to play Football Manager 2006 for a couple of days and weird conversations break out all over the place!!!
When did 1.3 come out and can I convert to it while preserving our game?
Sorry Wolfey but I haven't copied the file into the program yet, see above for reason.
What super duper tactics are you lot talking about?
Quicky, if you can't think of anything to do then rag on the army, everyone else does!
Dury.
I go off to play Football Manager 2006 for a couple of days and weird conversations break out all over the place!!!
When did 1.3 come out and can I convert to it while preserving our game?
Sorry Wolfey but I haven't copied the file into the program yet, see above for reason.
What super duper tactics are you lot talking about?
Quicky, if you can't think of anything to do then rag on the army, everyone else does!
Dury.
2 Feb 1937
The House of Commons, Westminster
Neville hated this time of year, the first session of Parliament after the festive period was always a time of unexpected challenges. This year he’d been meticulous in creating as many diversions in the lead up to the opening of the session. The RAF displays were proving popular with the public, the Ciudad Real bombings had monopolised the front pages. To all this, Neville had added the Cabinet reshuffle. Not only did this strengthen his personal position in his Coalition government but it also cut out the underperforming members and would minimise the fallout that the government would receive concerning their performance.
As he walked along the hall, Neville stopped and spoke to the numerous knots of members who coalesced here and there. Neville eyed Churchill speaking secretively with a couple of disgraced independents off in the corner but didn’t think much of it. Who else would speak to him in his current state of disregard but other misfits? Sir John Simon called him over and he brushed this view from his mind as unimportant, he hurried over to speak to Sir John.
“Neville. You’re looking well. Ready for the new term?”
”Thank you Sir John. Yes, I believe I am. I have a strong team behind me” Sir John blushed slightly, “and I’m ready to go into bat.”
“Really Neville, I think everything is going swimmingly.”
“Good, good. Are you ready?”
Sir John nodded, “Let’s go.”
The members slowly filed in. Neville smiled and shook hands with members on his side, ignoring the Opposition as they filed in. The Speaker then called the House to order and began with the traditional prayer. He then began the agenda for the day.
“Point of Order Mr Speaker!” The shout came from the cross benches. Silence fell as members all turned to see who had been so bold as to interrupt so early in the day….
The House of Commons, Westminster
Neville hated this time of year, the first session of Parliament after the festive period was always a time of unexpected challenges. This year he’d been meticulous in creating as many diversions in the lead up to the opening of the session. The RAF displays were proving popular with the public, the Ciudad Real bombings had monopolised the front pages. To all this, Neville had added the Cabinet reshuffle. Not only did this strengthen his personal position in his Coalition government but it also cut out the underperforming members and would minimise the fallout that the government would receive concerning their performance.
As he walked along the hall, Neville stopped and spoke to the numerous knots of members who coalesced here and there. Neville eyed Churchill speaking secretively with a couple of disgraced independents off in the corner but didn’t think much of it. Who else would speak to him in his current state of disregard but other misfits? Sir John Simon called him over and he brushed this view from his mind as unimportant, he hurried over to speak to Sir John.
“Neville. You’re looking well. Ready for the new term?”
”Thank you Sir John. Yes, I believe I am. I have a strong team behind me” Sir John blushed slightly, “and I’m ready to go into bat.”
“Really Neville, I think everything is going swimmingly.”
“Good, good. Are you ready?”
Sir John nodded, “Let’s go.”
The members slowly filed in. Neville smiled and shook hands with members on his side, ignoring the Opposition as they filed in. The Speaker then called the House to order and began with the traditional prayer. He then began the agenda for the day.
“Point of Order Mr Speaker!” The shout came from the cross benches. Silence fell as members all turned to see who had been so bold as to interrupt so early in the day….
OOC: No super duper tactics really, just giving the Germans the beating they deserve.
Duritz said:
From what i understand, any earlier version of saved games are completely incompatable with 1.3. So, if you have room on your computer, it seems you may have to keep 2 versions of HOI2 on your computer, one 1.2 for this game, and one 1.3 for yourself. Though if anyone else has any better ideas, by all means, give them
Duritz said:
Darn trench moles, couldnt even find their way across their own house without the RAF doing a reconnaissance for them.
OOC: I got 1.3 yesterday and just tried my version of the save game (which already survived a 1.1 to 1.2 conversion) and it worked!
Quicky: Hey, the Army's moved to taxis now.
Quicky: Hey, the Army's moved to taxis now.
Adaml83 said:OOC: I got 1.3 yesterday and just tried my version of the save game (which already survived a 1.1 to 1.2 conversion) and it worked!
Quicky: Hey, the Army's moved to taxis now.
Yeah... it does work but you *shouldn't* get the ne AI though... apparently
Oh yeah Addy, did you want me to publish Wolfe's plan for the RN here then? We could give Dury a heart attack!!
Sir Clive
2 Feb 1937
The House of Commons, Westminster
“Mr Speaker, I am sure that all Members are aware that while this House has been on holiday an act of unspeakable barbarism has occurred in Spain. The city of Ciudad Real has been destroyed by aerial bombardment and thousands of civilians have been killed. This act was performed not by Spaniards fighting Spaniards but rather by German airmen flying German aircraft dropping bombs made in Germany. These German air units form part of the so called ‘Condor Legion’ and are commanded by a German officier named von Sperrle. They have been sent to Spain by Herr Hitler. They have sworn a personal oath of allegiance to Hitler. And daily they continue their attacks upon the city of Madrid. All this we know. What we do not know Mr Speaker, is the attitude of His Majesty’s Government towards Hitler and his government now that his actions have become clear to all. We in this House along with the citizens of our country need a statement this afternoon from the Prime Minister or the Foreign Secretary that will outline our government’s position and explain what action we intend to take, and send a clear message of our resolve. Mr Speaker I am sure that all members will join me in urging you to take the necessary action to see that this is done.”
Sinclair sat down to cries of “Hear, hear!” from the opposition members and also from a few of the back bench Tories, at which Churchill joined in with a resounding “Hear! Hear!” It was noticeable however that the Labour Members sitting with the government maintained an embarrassed silence...
The House of Commons, Westminster
It was the Right Honourable Member for Caithness and Sutherland, Sir Archibald Sinclair who just happened to be leader of the opposition Liberals. He shook his order paper and stood impetuously erect with legs akimbo: his gaze met that of the Speaker who motioned him to proceed.
“Mr Speaker, I am sure that all Members are aware that while this House has been on holiday an act of unspeakable barbarism has occurred in Spain. The city of Ciudad Real has been destroyed by aerial bombardment and thousands of civilians have been killed. This act was performed not by Spaniards fighting Spaniards but rather by German airmen flying German aircraft dropping bombs made in Germany. These German air units form part of the so called ‘Condor Legion’ and are commanded by a German officier named von Sperrle. They have been sent to Spain by Herr Hitler. They have sworn a personal oath of allegiance to Hitler. And daily they continue their attacks upon the city of Madrid. All this we know. What we do not know Mr Speaker, is the attitude of His Majesty’s Government towards Hitler and his government now that his actions have become clear to all. We in this House along with the citizens of our country need a statement this afternoon from the Prime Minister or the Foreign Secretary that will outline our government’s position and explain what action we intend to take, and send a clear message of our resolve. Mr Speaker I am sure that all members will join me in urging you to take the necessary action to see that this is done.”
Sinclair sat down to cries of “Hear, hear!” from the opposition members and also from a few of the back bench Tories, at which Churchill joined in with a resounding “Hear! Hear!” It was noticeable however that the Labour Members sitting with the government maintained an embarrassed silence...
SirCliveWolfe said:Yeah... it does work but you *shouldn't* get the ne AI though... apparently
Oh yeah Addy, did you want me to publish Wolfe's plan for the RN here then? We could give Dury a heart attack!!
Sir Clive
OOC: I'll need to try a longer test and see what happens.
Wolfey, if you want you can post the initial proposal and then Wolfe's plan, everything. At least then everyone will have the full debate.
If you want to do it by wireless (the To: From: Subj: stuff), etc, that might be the best solution IC wise.
Right now I have reading and papers to do.
2 February 1937
House of Commons, Westminster
Neville turned to his Foreign Secretary, Anthony Eden, and spoke softly. After a few moments the cries of the opposition died down as the Foreign Secretary rose to the speakers box.
“Mr Speaker. I thank the Honourable Member for Caithness and Sutherland for his question but question the need for the point of order. The facts of the matter he has raised today before this House are very much still up for public debate and clarification. I would like to mention the reports of the esteemed war correspondent Mr Philby of The Times and others who have questioned the validity of the claims made by the honourable member.
“It would be irresponsible and dangerous for the government to commit to a viewpoint on this issue without certainty as to the facts of the matter. The Foreign Office will continue to monitor the situation and will act in the interests of the country and international stability. If and when the facts of the matter ARE established, the government will make appropriate statements at that time.
“However, I have not seen one official report that has agreed with all the claims put to the House today and I challenge the Member for Caithness and Sutherland to provide whatever evidence he has to the Foreign Office so that we can verify his sources and act appropriately.”
Eden sat down to cries of “Hear, hear” from the government side of the House, even the Labour members who had kept silent were able to join in with the argument as presented by the Foreign Minister. Neville sat smiling in his seat as his supporters exchanged comments with the other side. The Speaker slowly regained control of the House, his gavel pounded away for near to a minute before order was restored.
Once silence was returned the Speaker formally begun Question time and the first of the questioners rose from the government side to ask a question of the Trade Minister. The reply was a dour affair and served to lessen the tension in the Chamber somewhat but Neville knew more was to come. He searched the benches infront of him and to his right, looking for the ringleaders. Sinclair was obviously involved but Neville doubted he had the will or intellect to lead it. Churchill perhaps? But who else? As he finished his preliminary scan the Trade Minister resumed his seat. Neville sat up in his chair, waiting for the next volley to come his way………
House of Commons, Westminster
Neville turned to his Foreign Secretary, Anthony Eden, and spoke softly. After a few moments the cries of the opposition died down as the Foreign Secretary rose to the speakers box.
“Mr Speaker. I thank the Honourable Member for Caithness and Sutherland for his question but question the need for the point of order. The facts of the matter he has raised today before this House are very much still up for public debate and clarification. I would like to mention the reports of the esteemed war correspondent Mr Philby of The Times and others who have questioned the validity of the claims made by the honourable member.
“It would be irresponsible and dangerous for the government to commit to a viewpoint on this issue without certainty as to the facts of the matter. The Foreign Office will continue to monitor the situation and will act in the interests of the country and international stability. If and when the facts of the matter ARE established, the government will make appropriate statements at that time.
“However, I have not seen one official report that has agreed with all the claims put to the House today and I challenge the Member for Caithness and Sutherland to provide whatever evidence he has to the Foreign Office so that we can verify his sources and act appropriately.”
Eden sat down to cries of “Hear, hear” from the government side of the House, even the Labour members who had kept silent were able to join in with the argument as presented by the Foreign Minister. Neville sat smiling in his seat as his supporters exchanged comments with the other side. The Speaker slowly regained control of the House, his gavel pounded away for near to a minute before order was restored.
Once silence was returned the Speaker formally begun Question time and the first of the questioners rose from the government side to ask a question of the Trade Minister. The reply was a dour affair and served to lessen the tension in the Chamber somewhat but Neville knew more was to come. He searched the benches infront of him and to his right, looking for the ringleaders. Sinclair was obviously involved but Neville doubted he had the will or intellect to lead it. Churchill perhaps? But who else? As he finished his preliminary scan the Trade Minister resumed his seat. Neville sat up in his chair, waiting for the next volley to come his way………
OOC: On the basis of the above comments I'll convert to 1.3 but keep a spare save file incase it crashes....... I'll let you know how it goes.
My heart is fine, post away lads! I'll just make the odd change to your plans where required. [Reaches for his red pen, removes the lid and checks it's working.]
D.
My heart is fine, post away lads! I'll just make the odd change to your plans where required. [Reaches for his red pen, removes the lid and checks it's working.]
D.
*Copy Wire from Admirality*
To: Admiral Wolfe
From: Sir Thomas Wallace
Subj: Long term Naval Policy
I'd like your input on what the Admiralty should do between now and say the end of the game.
My ideas:
1. Replace all of the Home Fleet battleships with battleships of Vanguard-class or better.
2. Creation of a Pacific fleet.
3. Triple the number of Carriers in operation.
4. Increase the number of submarines so that Unrestricted Submarine Warfare against Japan might be possible. (Wallace doesn't believe that the Japanese would be honorable enough to simply declare war and therefore do not deserve the luxury of stolen goods from their proper owners. Read: Dutch oil)
5. Fully modernized the Royal Navy.
I think that's it for now, what do you think and what do you want to add?
To: Admiral Wolfe
From: Sir Thomas Wallace
Subj: Long term Naval Policy
I'd like your input on what the Admiralty should do between now and say the end of the game.
My ideas:
1. Replace all of the Home Fleet battleships with battleships of Vanguard-class or better.
2. Creation of a Pacific fleet.
3. Triple the number of Carriers in operation.
4. Increase the number of submarines so that Unrestricted Submarine Warfare against Japan might be possible. (Wallace doesn't believe that the Japanese would be honorable enough to simply declare war and therefore do not deserve the luxury of stolen goods from their proper owners. Read: Dutch oil)
5. Fully modernized the Royal Navy.
I think that's it for now, what do you think and what do you want to add?
To: Sir Thomas Wallace
From: Admiral Wolfe
Subj: RE: Long term Naval Policy
The Future of The Royal Navy
This plan is what Sir Clive would do if he was in sole charge of the RN, he does not expect any of his suggestions to be taken on board but is his frank considerations on the matter.
Role of the RN;
The primary aims of the RN are to protect the Empire’s borders, ensure the free passage of Empire trade vessels and swiftly and efficiently eliminate all threats to Britain’s dominance of the waters.
Border Protection;
The main factor in the protection of the shore is naval aviation and swiftness of response. Carriers defeat enemy fleets quickly and therefore are an efficient means of stopping any landings. Although CVs are the primary threat to invasion fleets their speed does not make them totally proficient especially where resources are stretched thin, Therefore the fast Battle Cruiser class ship along with our fastest escort ships are required to work in conjunction with any carrier fleet. Their role would be to get to threats quickly asses the threat and delay any invasion attempt, until such time as the local carrier fleet can engage the enemy.
Structure:
One large carrier fleet with battleship and armoured cruiser support and escorted solely light cruiser escort due to their superior range. This would be based at Scarpa Flow.
One medium sized fleet of Battle cruiser class ships. Acting as a ‘first contact’ fleet and to hunt down enemy invasion fleets. They would be escorted by what ever is the fastest escort vessel. This would be based at Dover as it gives quickest access to both the North Sea and English Channel, which are the best and most obvious invasion threats.
Eliminating Enemy Fleets:
First one must look to see who the main threat to the Empire is, then assess the make-up of their naval forces and plan accordingly. The main threats are Italy, Germany and Japan. The Italian and German battle fleets are mainly made up of ‘Heavy’ capital ships as opposed to Flattops the IJN seems to favour a balance between both types of capitals.
We must then realise that the major threat early on in any prolonged naval engagement are going to be Battleships especially in the Mediterranean. This is why for our main battle fleet I prefer the idea of excluding flattops. When faced by a carrier TF commanders with fleets that are Battleship heavy will look to retreat and so our fleet would only keep them ‘bottled up’ in their ports. Therefore the main battle fleet should consist of our ‘heaviest hitters’ but be tempting enough for enemy commanders to commit to battle.
Structure:
One ‘killer fleet’ comprised of 10 of our strongest Battleships with Light cruiser escort, as they are hardier and harder hitting than destroyers.
Three large flattop fleets to funnel the enemy at our ‘killer fleet’ and to stop them from getting to the open sea. They will also be available for carrier strikes on ports should the enemy not chose to engage our main fleet.
Merchant Protection;
If we can keep the enemy ‘bottled up’ and destroy them quickly the main threat to our merchant shipping will be u-boats. All three of our most likely adversaries have them but it seems that the Europeans especially Germany have and will use them against us.
This is why we should have our main fleets primarily escorted by light cruisers and not destroyers. This would free up some 40 destroyers, which we could deploy into teams of two to patrol ‘bottle necks’ in the merchant web.
Key Ideas;
The main objective will be to use our carrier fleets to bottle-up the German navy and to lure them out to be destroyed by our killer fleet. The air force can then concentrate upon destroying the German sub bases and out main fleets can move to the Med leaving the Battle cruisers and maybe on small carrier TF to defend the shores from un-accompanied invasion barges.
At this point we shall use the same technique to destroy the Italian navy leaving one or two small carrier TFs to deal with any Italian threat, the rest of the Imperial navy will then move on to Singapore for operations against the Japanese.
Building Plan;
Immediate
10 Super Heavy/Vanguard class Battleships to act as the ‘killer fleet’
14 (total 20) Carriers to work in groups of fives to makeup flattop TFs
40?? Enough modern light cruisers to escort all our capitals leaving DD’s free for ASW and older CL’s for invasion protection or outpost presence.
Long Term
Complete modernisation of the entire RN. (1941 class ships at least)
From: Admiral Wolfe
Subj: RE: Long term Naval Policy
The Future of The Royal Navy
This plan is what Sir Clive would do if he was in sole charge of the RN, he does not expect any of his suggestions to be taken on board but is his frank considerations on the matter.
Role of the RN;
The primary aims of the RN are to protect the Empire’s borders, ensure the free passage of Empire trade vessels and swiftly and efficiently eliminate all threats to Britain’s dominance of the waters.
Border Protection;
The main factor in the protection of the shore is naval aviation and swiftness of response. Carriers defeat enemy fleets quickly and therefore are an efficient means of stopping any landings. Although CVs are the primary threat to invasion fleets their speed does not make them totally proficient especially where resources are stretched thin, Therefore the fast Battle Cruiser class ship along with our fastest escort ships are required to work in conjunction with any carrier fleet. Their role would be to get to threats quickly asses the threat and delay any invasion attempt, until such time as the local carrier fleet can engage the enemy.
Structure:
One large carrier fleet with battleship and armoured cruiser support and escorted solely light cruiser escort due to their superior range. This would be based at Scarpa Flow.
One medium sized fleet of Battle cruiser class ships. Acting as a ‘first contact’ fleet and to hunt down enemy invasion fleets. They would be escorted by what ever is the fastest escort vessel. This would be based at Dover as it gives quickest access to both the North Sea and English Channel, which are the best and most obvious invasion threats.
Eliminating Enemy Fleets:
First one must look to see who the main threat to the Empire is, then assess the make-up of their naval forces and plan accordingly. The main threats are Italy, Germany and Japan. The Italian and German battle fleets are mainly made up of ‘Heavy’ capital ships as opposed to Flattops the IJN seems to favour a balance between both types of capitals.
We must then realise that the major threat early on in any prolonged naval engagement are going to be Battleships especially in the Mediterranean. This is why for our main battle fleet I prefer the idea of excluding flattops. When faced by a carrier TF commanders with fleets that are Battleship heavy will look to retreat and so our fleet would only keep them ‘bottled up’ in their ports. Therefore the main battle fleet should consist of our ‘heaviest hitters’ but be tempting enough for enemy commanders to commit to battle.
Structure:
One ‘killer fleet’ comprised of 10 of our strongest Battleships with Light cruiser escort, as they are hardier and harder hitting than destroyers.
Three large flattop fleets to funnel the enemy at our ‘killer fleet’ and to stop them from getting to the open sea. They will also be available for carrier strikes on ports should the enemy not chose to engage our main fleet.
Merchant Protection;
If we can keep the enemy ‘bottled up’ and destroy them quickly the main threat to our merchant shipping will be u-boats. All three of our most likely adversaries have them but it seems that the Europeans especially Germany have and will use them against us.
This is why we should have our main fleets primarily escorted by light cruisers and not destroyers. This would free up some 40 destroyers, which we could deploy into teams of two to patrol ‘bottle necks’ in the merchant web.
Key Ideas;
The main objective will be to use our carrier fleets to bottle-up the German navy and to lure them out to be destroyed by our killer fleet. The air force can then concentrate upon destroying the German sub bases and out main fleets can move to the Med leaving the Battle cruisers and maybe on small carrier TF to defend the shores from un-accompanied invasion barges.
At this point we shall use the same technique to destroy the Italian navy leaving one or two small carrier TFs to deal with any Italian threat, the rest of the Imperial navy will then move on to Singapore for operations against the Japanese.
Building Plan;
Immediate
10 Super Heavy/Vanguard class Battleships to act as the ‘killer fleet’
14 (total 20) Carriers to work in groups of fives to makeup flattop TFs
40?? Enough modern light cruisers to escort all our capitals leaving DD’s free for ASW and older CL’s for invasion protection or outpost presence.
Long Term
Complete modernisation of the entire RN. (1941 class ships at least)
OOC:
'Killer fleet'
Just to give some background on the Naval stratergy I use against Germany and Italy.
CV's Fleet v BB Fleet - The AI will always quickly retreat because they know that their BB's will take a pounding without giving anything back.
BB Fleet v BB Fleet - The AI will normaly engage and not run, If you have an overpowering number of powerful ships you can destroy the German/Italian navy's very quickly (In one game I reduced Germany to 2 subs and a destroyer with this tactic and carrier strikes by the 10th September 1939!!).
This is why I would like a BB 'Killer Fleet';
Advanced (Vanguard Class) - seaattack = 24 (year 1941)
SuperHeavy (Lion?? Class) - seaattack = 28 (year 1938)
This is also the reason why I prefer, if posible/affordable, to have SHBB but to be honnest it is probably too late now for them against Germany/Italy. Hope this clearly shows why I have a SHBB obsesion, I hope that you guys may now see that it has merit even if not in this AAR/Game.
Wolfey.
'Killer fleet'
Just to give some background on the Naval stratergy I use against Germany and Italy.
CV's Fleet v BB Fleet - The AI will always quickly retreat because they know that their BB's will take a pounding without giving anything back.
BB Fleet v BB Fleet - The AI will normaly engage and not run, If you have an overpowering number of powerful ships you can destroy the German/Italian navy's very quickly (In one game I reduced Germany to 2 subs and a destroyer with this tactic and carrier strikes by the 10th September 1939!!).
This is why I would like a BB 'Killer Fleet';
Advanced (Vanguard Class) - seaattack = 24 (year 1941)
SuperHeavy (Lion?? Class) - seaattack = 28 (year 1938)
This is also the reason why I prefer, if posible/affordable, to have SHBB but to be honnest it is probably too late now for them against Germany/Italy. Hope this clearly shows why I have a SHBB obsesion, I hope that you guys may now see that it has merit even if not in this AAR/Game.
Wolfey.
To: Grand Admiral Wolfe
From: Sir Thomas Wallace, First Sea Lord
Subj: Long-term Admiralty Planning
With the Fast Battleship, we don't necessarily need a Battlecruiser, however there is also the possibility that we could upgun a Heavy Cruiser so that it could take on bigger and badder enemies.
With the Carrier, right now the Admiralty is also looking into replacement fighters (Hurricane, Spitfire are options), replacement torpedo bombers (modern monoplane), and a viable divebomber. In terms of Carriers themselves, the Admiralty also want a fast Carrier design worked up. Since the Americans seem to know what they are doing some design exchanges might be in order.
Structure:
Perhaps, One Carrier Fleet with Heavy/Light cruiser support with Destroyers to keep subs away.
One Battleship fleet, our backbone.
One Fast Reaction Fleet- Fast Battleships, Heavy and Light cruisers with Destroyer all of the most modern type.
Eliminating Enemy Fleets:
I generally do not like using our best ships as bait. A Carrier fleet could be useful if the primary Battleship fleet is off on a wild goose chase, or the Carrier fleet could be used for the chasing. However a heavy battleline along with devastating airpower is ideal.
Structure:
The Battleships must be strong, fast, and durable, should our enemy resort to unconventional tactics.
Depending on the direction of new aircraft, which if the RAF is greedy, the Admiralty will fund, there is potential for the Carrier fleets to be the "killer fleets" as well.
Merchant Protection;
Destroyers can be constructed relatively quickly, rotating the slightly older designs out while keeping the new designs in our battle fleets should be sufficient in Anti-submarine Warfare.
However we must come up with equipment and tactics against submarines immediately. Since you have all the Subs, that will be your job.
Key Ideas;
It could work, however a couple of quick reaction fleets will need to be created to stop the bleeding however temporary it might be.
Building Plan;
It will probably be Vanguard or later for Battleships, the price tag on the Super Heavies currently make the Finance Minister scream.
Carriers are a possibility, they appear to be cheaper for now.
Cruisers should be easy, and Destroyers should be easier, I don't think it will be necessary to move all the the Destroyers from the battle fleets.
Long Term
Bingo
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OOC: Well that's the last I've written, maybe I'll come up with more. Oh and Dury, when I say 1 Battleship, 1 Carrier, 1 Fast Reaction fleet, I mean for Home Defense.
From: Sir Thomas Wallace, First Sea Lord
Subj: Long-term Admiralty Planning
With the Fast Battleship, we don't necessarily need a Battlecruiser, however there is also the possibility that we could upgun a Heavy Cruiser so that it could take on bigger and badder enemies.
With the Carrier, right now the Admiralty is also looking into replacement fighters (Hurricane, Spitfire are options), replacement torpedo bombers (modern monoplane), and a viable divebomber. In terms of Carriers themselves, the Admiralty also want a fast Carrier design worked up. Since the Americans seem to know what they are doing some design exchanges might be in order.
Structure:
Perhaps, One Carrier Fleet with Heavy/Light cruiser support with Destroyers to keep subs away.
One Battleship fleet, our backbone.
One Fast Reaction Fleet- Fast Battleships, Heavy and Light cruisers with Destroyer all of the most modern type.
Eliminating Enemy Fleets:
I generally do not like using our best ships as bait. A Carrier fleet could be useful if the primary Battleship fleet is off on a wild goose chase, or the Carrier fleet could be used for the chasing. However a heavy battleline along with devastating airpower is ideal.
Structure:
The Battleships must be strong, fast, and durable, should our enemy resort to unconventional tactics.
Depending on the direction of new aircraft, which if the RAF is greedy, the Admiralty will fund, there is potential for the Carrier fleets to be the "killer fleets" as well.
Merchant Protection;
Destroyers can be constructed relatively quickly, rotating the slightly older designs out while keeping the new designs in our battle fleets should be sufficient in Anti-submarine Warfare.
However we must come up with equipment and tactics against submarines immediately. Since you have all the Subs, that will be your job.
Key Ideas;
It could work, however a couple of quick reaction fleets will need to be created to stop the bleeding however temporary it might be.
Building Plan;
It will probably be Vanguard or later for Battleships, the price tag on the Super Heavies currently make the Finance Minister scream.
Carriers are a possibility, they appear to be cheaper for now.
Cruisers should be easy, and Destroyers should be easier, I don't think it will be necessary to move all the the Destroyers from the battle fleets.
Long Term
Bingo
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OOC: Well that's the last I've written, maybe I'll come up with more. Oh and Dury, when I say 1 Battleship, 1 Carrier, 1 Fast Reaction fleet, I mean for Home Defense.
OOC: Hmm, that's very interesting. Let me make some changes....... and here...... and this is what we have left........
RN: Sept 1939
1 12ft Admiralty Launch (patched up 1918 model)
1 life jacket
RN: Sept 1939
1 12ft Admiralty Launch (patched up 1918 model)
1 life jacket
To: Sir Thomas Wallace, First Lord of the Admiralty
From: Sir Wilfred Appleby, Under Secretary, Office of the Exchequor
The Chancellor of the Exchequor will require a total figure on new constructions required, broken down over the next four or five years. Calculate a similar allocation of IC to what you have now and factor in a 1-2 IC increase per year.
The govt's yearly plans are also subject to budgetry restraints, we request you prioritise your plans so the Chancellor can adjust them as required.
It's also requested that you provide a priority list for research programs funding, once again setting it out in broad terms to allow for Treasury flexibility.
Signed,
Sir Wilfred
OOC: Quicky, RAF could be doing the same......
From: Sir Wilfred Appleby, Under Secretary, Office of the Exchequor
The Chancellor of the Exchequor will require a total figure on new constructions required, broken down over the next four or five years. Calculate a similar allocation of IC to what you have now and factor in a 1-2 IC increase per year.
The govt's yearly plans are also subject to budgetry restraints, we request you prioritise your plans so the Chancellor can adjust them as required.
It's also requested that you provide a priority list for research programs funding, once again setting it out in broad terms to allow for Treasury flexibility.
Signed,
Sir Wilfred
OOC: Quicky, RAF could be doing the same......
To: Sir Thomas Wallace, First Sea Lord
From: Grand Admiral Wolfe
Subj: ER: Long-term Admiralty Planning
Border Protection
Ok I think we are agreed… I do like to have a BC fleet as they are the most powerful and fastest combination but that is really up to you. The carriers I in this role I think the most outdated ones are a good idea (until we get some fast CVs anyway) as long as they have good CAGs.
Eliminating Enemy Fleets:
The term ‘bait’ is probable not a good one.
Trust me this works, you seal off Denmark with carrier fleets, which the AI does not attack (if they do they retreat rather fast). Outside Wilhelmshaven [sp?] you keep your BB fleet; the Germans attack this regularly and get an @rse licking.
The reason it does not work with carriers in the fleet is that the commanders sun away as they can not fire.
Basically you lose more escorts this way (maybe one or two) but drastically reduce the German fleet in a very short period.
In one game I reduced them to 2 subs and a destroyer with this tactic and carrier strikes by the 10th September 1939!!
Merchant protection
Ok pretty much agreed, however do not mothball the old destroyers send them to the Pacific where we will need lots to create a ‘net’ big enough. I’d rarther see them sunk trying to catch Jap subs than being deleted.
Building plan
Fair enough but if we do go with a BB only (i.e. no flattops) fleet they need to be the best firepower ships we have.
As far as SHBBs are concerned it’s probably too late for them to be any good, however I know Wolfe would like on for his flagship.
Sir Clive
From: Grand Admiral Wolfe
Subj: ER: Long-term Admiralty Planning
Border Protection
Ok I think we are agreed… I do like to have a BC fleet as they are the most powerful and fastest combination but that is really up to you. The carriers I in this role I think the most outdated ones are a good idea (until we get some fast CVs anyway) as long as they have good CAGs.
Eliminating Enemy Fleets:
The term ‘bait’ is probable not a good one.
Trust me this works, you seal off Denmark with carrier fleets, which the AI does not attack (if they do they retreat rather fast). Outside Wilhelmshaven [sp?] you keep your BB fleet; the Germans attack this regularly and get an @rse licking.
The reason it does not work with carriers in the fleet is that the commanders sun away as they can not fire.
Basically you lose more escorts this way (maybe one or two) but drastically reduce the German fleet in a very short period.
In one game I reduced them to 2 subs and a destroyer with this tactic and carrier strikes by the 10th September 1939!!
Merchant protection
Ok pretty much agreed, however do not mothball the old destroyers send them to the Pacific where we will need lots to create a ‘net’ big enough. I’d rarther see them sunk trying to catch Jap subs than being deleted.
Building plan
Fair enough but if we do go with a BB only (i.e. no flattops) fleet they need to be the best firepower ships we have.
As far as SHBBs are concerned it’s probably too late for them to be any good, however I know Wolfe would like on for his flagship.
Sir Clive
Duritz said:OOC: Hmm, that's very interesting. Let me make some changes....... and here...... and this is what we have left........
RN: Sept 1939
1 12ft Admiralty Launch (patched up 1918 model)
1 life jacket
In that case, I will personaly fund the re-instating of the HMS Victory to be the flag ship of the Pacific/Singapore fleet.
Sir Clive.
SirCliveWolfe said:In that case, I will personaly fund the re-instating of the HMS Victory to be the flag ship of the Pacific/Singapore fleet.
Sir Clive.
Oops, already sold off. If you want it back you'd better buy shares in Gillette Razor Blades!