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ULTRA or Italian treachery?
A discussion of a myth which I thought was long dead, sprung out from this thread in the HOI-forum. About whether it was either officers from the Italian Navy (RMI) who betrayed the Axis convoys or if it were actually the British who were reading the Axis codes. The "highlights" so far:
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Quote from "Rommel's North Africa Campaign" by Jack Greene and Alessandro Massignani, page 179: Quote:
Since ULTRA's existence was only revealed in the 1970s and taking into account the tradition among some historians of believing whatever Wehrmacht Generals say, it shouldn't be a surprise to find Rommel's accusations against RMI officers presented as historical fact through the 1980s. Beyond the above, here is various comments on the RMI and its officers, which implies how unlikely it was that "many times convoys heading for africa with desperately needed supplies were sold out to the Allies by Italian officiers.". Oscar Di Giamberardino while critical in his "La marina nella tragedia nazionale" of the strategical decisions taken by the RMI's General Staff, also insisted that RMI officers conducted the war with an "apolitical professionalism". Marc'Antonio Bragadin in "Il dramma della Marina italiana" wrote that the navy's "moral was magnificent" and Admiral Angelo Iachino in his memoirs also considered moral excellent. Alfredo Viglieri, who had served on the RMI's General Staff, in his memoirs insisted that while "faults, antagonisms and rivalries" among RMI officers might sometimes cause errors and indecision, they were nonetheless "truly and sincerely attached to their ships and their crews." Franco Maugeri, anti-Fascist who had headed the SIS (Italian Naval Intelligence) during the war, in his "From the Ashes of Disgrace" maintained that "In ships, in manpower, in seamanship and in ésprit de corps we had no reason to feel ashamed,". Assuming that the British in addition to their technical superiority were not only reading the Axis codes via ULTRA, but at the same time also had RMI officers "selling out" the Axis convoys - that only makes the already less than impressive British record of interdicting Axis convoys (0.5% of dispatched matériel sunk on the Balkan routes, 14% on the Libyan routes and 28% on the Tunisian routes. Source: Again James J. Sadkovich, Rex Trye, Ian W. Walker and Jack Greene and Alessandro Massignani.) look even worse and the Italian performance so much more impressive.
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I cannot comment on topic but I have to say I'm very surprised that the admin let the guy choose "Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler" -> LAH (sometimes also LSAH) as a nickname. I'm sure you're no longer surprised about his statements now that you know what his nick (probably) means...
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