Trying to make sure I understand this marriage thingy...

dmshewchuk · 10-05-2004, 19:29

...before I delve into the game in earnest this week.

I am King of State. I have two children, a son, Son, and a daughter, Daughter.

1. If I marry Son to Wench, eldest daughter of a neighboring Duke, do I inherit Duchy when Duke dies? My understanding is yes, but only if Duchy uses semi-salic primogeniture. Is that right? Or is it Son who gets Duchy?

2. If I marry Daughter to Strapping Young Lad, eldest son of a neighboring Count, do I or Daughter inherit County when Count dies? My understanding is neither of us get anything. Is THAT right?

3. Under either of the scenarios above, who will I play as once King dies?

Thanks to whoever lends a hand...

beowulf · 10-05-2004, 19:34

1) None of you gets it, Grandson does.

2) That is correct.

3) You will play your son.

dmshewchuk · 10-05-2004, 19:38

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Originally Posted by beowulf

1) None of you gets it, Grandson does.

2) That is correct.

3) You will play your son.

Then, considering (2), above, why shouldn't I horde all my court's women (and especially my daughters) and never let them leave the castle, much less marry a man from another court?

EDIT to thank beowulf. Much obliged.

Ezzezze · 10-05-2004, 19:41

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Originally Posted by dmshewchuk

...before I delve into the game in earnest this week.

I am King of State. I have two children, a son, Son, and a daughter, Daughter.

1. If I marry Son to Wench, eldest daughter of a neighboring Duke, do I inherit Duchy when Duke dies? My understanding is yes, but only if Duchy uses semi-salic primogeniture. Is that right? Or is it Son who gets Duchy?

2. If I marry Daughter to Strapping Young Lad, eldest son of a neighboring Count, do I or Daughter inherit County when Count dies? My understanding is neither of us get anything. Is THAT right?

3. Under either of the scenarios above, who will I play as once King dies?

Thanks to whoever lends a hand...

1. If semi-salic primogeniture is the law for that Duchy and you marry Son to Wench (who must not have legit brothers) then their eldest son, your grandson will inherit his grandfather title and yours after your son's death.

2. you don't get anything except the joy of having your Daughter married

3. in either scenario you will play as your son. if Son dies you will play with his eldest son who will be King and duke of the title he inherited from his mother side

beowulf · 10-05-2004, 19:43

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Originally Posted by dmshewchuk

Then, considering (2), above, why shouldn't I horde all my court's women (and especially my daughters) and never let them leave the castle, much less marry a man from another court?

Not all marriages need to end up in you inheriting something, do they?

You gain prestige and in some cases money from arranging marriages.
My advice is to try and get rid of daughters with bad stats by marrying them to counts and dukes, and use your bettter daughters to attract good courtiers from other courts.
But beware if you have semi-salic law, you my end up on the short end of scenario 1 yourself.

Ezzezze · 10-05-2004, 19:44

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Originally Posted by dmshewchuk

Then, considering (2), above, why shouldn't I horde all my court's women (and especially my daughters) and never let them leave the castle, much less marry a man from another court?

EDIT to thank beowulf. Much obliged.

sometimes when you marry your daughter his husband comes to live in your court, you can doing so have some kind of a parallel breeding program marrying cousins and so

dmshewchuk · 10-05-2004, 19:50

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Originally Posted by Ezzezze

sometimes when you marry your daughter his husband comes to live in your court, you can doing so have some kind of a parallel breeding program marrying cousins and so

Heh - interesting.

But what matters in determining if my legacy continues is whether or not those progeny have my last name, right? So if I'm King de X, with daughter Daughter de X marrying Man de Y, their offspring will all be de Ys, and thus useless to me for dynastic purposes...right?

beowulf · 10-05-2004, 19:51

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Originally Posted by dmshewchuk

Heh - interesting.

But what matters in determining if my legacy continues is whether or not those progeny have my last name, right? So if I'm King de X, with daughter Daughter de X marrying Man de Y, their offspring will all be de Ys, and thus useless to me for dynastic purposes...right?

Absolutely.

EnPeaSea · 10-05-2004, 19:54

You should take your 1st daughter and marry her to the oldest man that you can find. When he dies, marry her to another old man. When he dies, marry her again.

For each marriage, you can make 500-600 gold from marriage duties.

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EnPeaSea

RepublicofGenoa · 10-05-2004, 19:54

You marry your daughter to the successer of the neighboring land. Then you give your son-in-law a county making you his leige. When he inherits he brings inherited lands to your kingdom.

beowulf · 10-05-2004, 19:59

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Originally Posted by RepublicofGenoa

You marry your daughter to the successer of the neighboring land. Then you give your son-in-law a county making you his leige. When he inherits he brings inherited lands to your kingdom.

Only if the title you give him is equal or greater than the one he will inherit.

Also considered a bit of an exploit by many.

dmshewchuk · 10-05-2004, 20:08

But it's all for naught, right, because he's still got the wrong last name, as will all of his children...?

MegaPIMP · 10-05-2004, 20:10

Or, edit the savefile to make all your daughters children belong to your line, and then strike down the husband with all curses you can come up with, chaste, lisp, stutter and finally reduce his fertility nad health to -5602435
Yes, evil...MUAHAHAHAHA

Everytime you offer the hand of your daughter to a courtier that courtier comes to live in your court.

wrathkin · 10-05-2004, 20:14

As a sidenote, if you don't marry of your daughters you get a prestige penalty, IIRC

beowulf · 10-05-2004, 20:22

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Originally Posted by dmshewchuk

But it's all for naught, right, because he's still got the wrong last name, as will all of his children...?

From a dynastic viewpoint it's not worth much, but it is a way to expand your power since you basically steal vassals from other realms.

dmshewchuk · 10-05-2004, 20:27

Very good -- thank you again, wulf, you've made the game a lot more understandable for me.

EnPeaSea · 10-05-2004, 20:30

It is also a good technique to use marriage to steal another nation's high stat marshall/spymaster before declaring war or making an assassination attempt.

Doggie3 · 10-05-2004, 20:45

That's if you get someone suitable to marry your daughter. I had a hard time as the King of England, with good prestige, piety and reputation, marrying off my eldest daughter. Offered her around every Royal house in Europe that had a suitable unmarried man and no one was interested. Finally, a French Duke came along and asked (after a few no hopers had tried) and I married her off to him.

I'm not sure if it is the daughter's stats, or the father's, or if it's random, but it takes a while (and you do get a prestige hit while she is unmarried).

Cheers,

Bismarck · 10-05-2004, 20:49

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Originally Posted by EnPeaSea

For each marriage, you can make 500-600 gold from marriage duties.

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EnPeaSea

My last three marriage duties were in the neighborhood of 2000-4500 gold

M

dmshewchuk · 10-05-2004, 20:51

Bismarck - and why is that? Are duties connected to the bride's characteristics, the size of her father's kingdom/duchy/county, or what?

10-05-2004, 19:29	#1
dmshewchuk May it please the Court... Join Date: May 2003 Location: A federal courthouse near you. Posts: 639	Trying to make sure I understand this marriage thingy... ...before I delve into the game in earnest this week. I am King of State. I have two children, a son, Son, and a daughter, Daughter. 1. If I marry Son to Wench, eldest daughter of a neighboring Duke, do I inherit Duchy when Duke dies? My understanding is yes, but only if Duchy uses semi-salic primogeniture. Is that right? Or is it Son who gets Duchy? 2. If I marry Daughter to Strapping Young Lad, eldest son of a neighboring Count, do I or Daughter inherit County when Count dies? My understanding is neither of us get anything. Is THAT right? 3. Under either of the scenarios above, who will I play as once King dies? Thanks to whoever lends a hand... __________________ A witness in Werewolf XIII . Eaten by the wolves after GM Gonzo forgot his own rules. A wolf in Werewolf XIV . Hung by the village after J. Passepartout turned stoolie in order to live one more night. ------------- Von Loch Ness wishes to announce the following: "I won my first Werewolf game as a cursed commander.

10-05-2004, 19:34	#2
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10-05-2004, 19:54	#10
RepublicofGenoa Emperor of the Papal States Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Warren, Michigan Posts: 323	You marry your daughter to the successer of the neighboring land. Then you give your son-in-law a county making you his leige. When he inherits he brings inherited lands to your kingdom. __________________ Celibacy is a hands on job. -Ghost, Enter the Matrix

10-05-2004, 20:08	#12
dmshewchuk May it please the Court... Join Date: May 2003 Location: A federal courthouse near you. Posts: 639	But it's all for naught, right, because he's still got the wrong last name, as will all of his children...? __________________ A witness in Werewolf XIII . Eaten by the wolves after GM Gonzo forgot his own rules. A wolf in Werewolf XIV . Hung by the village after J. Passepartout turned stoolie in order to live one more night. ------------- Von Loch Ness wishes to announce the following: "I won my first Werewolf game as a cursed commander.

10-05-2004, 20:14	#14
wrathkin Sergeant Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 55	As a sidenote, if you don't marry of your daughters you get a prestige penalty, IIRC __________________ Do I grok fnord? Proud bearer of fivescore bonus points Chan Paradox Gamers Club A monk asked Nansen, "Is there any great spiritual teaching that has not been preached to the people?" Nansen said, "There is." "What is the truth that has not been taught?" "Nothing," Nansen replied.

10-05-2004, 19:54	#9
EnPeaSea Prisoner of the Horned Helmet Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,284	You should take your 1st daughter and marry her to the oldest man that you can find. When he dies, marry her to another old man. When he dies, marry her again. For each marriage, you can make 500-600 gold from marriage duties. -- EnPeaSea

10-05-2004, 20:10	#13
MegaPIMP General Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The land of meatballs and polar bears...SWEDEN! Posts: 1,781	Or, edit the savefile to make all your daughters children belong to your line, and then strike down the husband with all curses you can come up with, chaste, lisp, stutter and finally reduce his fertility nad health to -5602435 Yes, evil...MUAHAHAHAHA Everytime you offer the hand of your daughter to a courtier that courtier comes to live in your court.

10-05-2004, 20:27	#16
dmshewchuk May it please the Court... Join Date: May 2003 Location: A federal courthouse near you. Posts: 639	Very good -- thank you again, wulf, you've made the game a lot more understandable for me. __________________ A witness in Werewolf XIII . Eaten by the wolves after GM Gonzo forgot his own rules. A wolf in Werewolf XIV . Hung by the village after J. Passepartout turned stoolie in order to live one more night. ------------- Von Loch Ness wishes to announce the following: "I won my first Werewolf game as a cursed commander.

10-05-2004, 20:30	#17
EnPeaSea Prisoner of the Horned Helmet Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,284	It is also a good technique to use marriage to steal another nation's high stat marshall/spymaster before declaring war or making an assassination attempt.

10-05-2004, 20:45	#18
Doggie3 Sergeant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Loose in the top paddock... Posts: 85	That's if you get someone suitable to marry your daughter. I had a hard time as the King of England, with good prestige, piety and reputation, marrying off my eldest daughter. Offered her around every Royal house in Europe that had a suitable unmarried man and no one was interested. Finally, a French Duke came along and asked (after a few no hopers had tried) and I married her off to him. I'm not sure if it is the daughter's stats, or the father's, or if it's random, but it takes a while (and you do get a prestige hit while she is unmarried). Cheers,

10-05-2004, 20:51	#20
dmshewchuk May it please the Court... Join Date: May 2003 Location: A federal courthouse near you. Posts: 639	Bismarck - and why is that? Are duties connected to the bride's characteristics, the size of her father's kingdom/duchy/county, or what? __________________ A witness in Werewolf XIII . Eaten by the wolves after GM Gonzo forgot his own rules. A wolf in Werewolf XIV . Hung by the village after J. Passepartout turned stoolie in order to live one more night. ------------- Von Loch Ness wishes to announce the following: "I won my first Werewolf game as a cursed commander.