Where did the 10000 protestants go?

[Nikolai II]

The Purge of the Archbishop of Salzburg (HAB 3203 & SLZ 3755) has 10000 protestants leaving the city and the flavor text tells about them settling in Prussia (East Prussia) but no such move is happening.

I'd suggest an event like this..(3535 as event number only if open, of course )

#Protestant Refugees from Salzburg#
event = {

	id = 3535				#Triggered by HAB3203 or SLZ 3755#
	random = no
	country = PRU
	name = "EVENTNAME3203"#The Purge of the Archbishop of Salzburg
	desc = "EVENTHIST3203"
	style = 4

	action_a ={					#Settlers for the Baltic		
		name = "ACTIONNAME3598A"#Incorporate them
		command = { type = population which = 290 value = 10000 }
		command = { type = provinceculture which = 290 value = german}
	}
}

Possible optional event name: 3754;The Threat to Protestantism in Germany

Triggers would have to be added to a-options of HAB3203 and SLZ 3755

This would solve the germanification of 290 since it is no longer baltic in later scenarios..

[AndrewT]

Looking for further input on this idea ...

[Duuk]

Sounds Good

[Zast]

I see no reason not to add this. The text mentions that they arrived in Prussia 1732 so that should be the date. Also, trigger on province ownership instead of being Prussia.

[VPeric]

This looks good. I suggest to perhaps add a penalty to stability for incorporating them (ie. people are somewhat afraid of the newcomers or something like that.)

[Nikolai II]

@Zast - To make the event happen at a date but only if valid, that would require flagscripting, since it is just one of the two options that lead to the purge happening. And since the purge happens in 1731 I don't see any major problems with them arriving at once, just as the 'teleporting moors of al-andalus'

Province-based would require a set of triggers again, necessitating flags I think - only protestant nations with german culture should get the event after all, else they would flee somewhere else. AGCEEP can worry about province-based stuff IMHO...

@VPeric - You could as easily claim that it should be a stab-bonus since a) the newcomers were very happy, b) thoose in power liked getting more people to use the lands and c) it seemed like an act of goody-two-shoeness at the time. Comparing with moor refugees show they get people, tech, cash and reduced inflation. (although some of them are worse..)

A stab hit would also encourage a 'no - bugger off' option, while the current event is always beneficial.

[VPeric]

hmm... I guess your reasons are right, so it should be left as it is.

However, I've been thinking... there might be a variation of this event for AGCEEP or something like that... like, take them getting you what you have suggest and losing 1 stab, or as option B to get only some number of them (like 5k or something), but not lose any stability. That kind of event would really be in the spirit of AGCEEP, don't ya think?

[AndrewT]

3543 was the next available number (stolen from KNI!). OK, done, thx.

[Isaac Brock]

Did all these exiles from Salzburg really settle in Konigsberg? Or is it possible that more of them ended up in the countryside/smaller towns. I ask because the population of Prussia is pretty small, and 10,000 is a large population.

[Nikolai II]

It was 27000 exiled from Salzburg, and some 20000 more from surroundings, and the vast majority moved to East Prussia (some 42000 is one figure that cirkles around in my brain) (probably city and countryside though - and maybe in more EU provinces than one)

However, the Austrian/Salzburg event reduces one city with 10000 pop, so I figured I'd add them all in the same place.

And 10k will probably only upgrade Koningsberg with one step and maybe not even that, but it is because of that increase I haven't worried about anything about tax increases or suchlike, figuring that population increase will boost all values in the province (with a suitably small amount). (The culture change I give for free, since the province should change culture in some way during a GC, since late scenarios has it as german while it starts as baltic)

[Nikolai II]

Oops - rework to be done..

The #Hohenzollern Prussia become Polish Duchy# (Prussia 3516) already changes culture of both 290 and 289 to german.

The I suggest the following - skip the redundant 'changeculture' in my event and split the population to 5000 in 290 and 5000 in 289. (turning the event into mainly a flavor event, but my main goal was just to find a possible future for the poor protestants)

Also, 1617.inc, 1683.inc, 1700.inc, 1773.inc and 1795.inc should be changed: under the header # Prussia German the line province = { id = 289 culture = "german" } should be added to ,atch the event 3516.

Sorry to be a bother

*hides*

[VPeric]

According to this new info, I think that 5k in each province is a good measure for a flavor event. I hope my vote counts

[Isaac Brock]

I like 5 k in each province, and think that changing the culture with these immigrants is a bit nicer than arbitrarily changing it with the other event.

[VPeric]

Yeah, but what if "#Triggered by HAB3203 or SLZ 3755#" don't happen.

NOTE: I have no idea what HAB3203 or SLZ3755 events do, so if they cannot be avoided at all, don't mind this post.

[Isaac Brock]

Originally Posted by VPeric

Yeah, but what if "#Triggered by HAB3203 or SLZ 3755#" don't happen.

NOTE: I have no idea what HAB3203 or SLZ3755 events do, so if they cannot be avoided at all, don't mind this post.

They expel Protestant Germans from Salzburg. If that doesn't happen then there isn't a big influx of Germans in the early 18th century. Tough.

[Nikolai II]

Originally Posted by VPeric

Yeah, but what if "#Triggered by HAB3203 or SLZ 3755#" don't happen.

NOTE: I have no idea what HAB3203 or SLZ3755 events do, so if they cannot be avoided at all, don't mind this post.

As mentioned by Isaac Brock they expel the protestants that moved to Prussia. So if the Player/AI choose the b) option there (don't expel) then no influx. Also, if Austria is gone (Salzburg doesn't exist at all in vanilla EU2, but the event still exists so I figured it should be kept up-to-date) then Austria won't expel the protestants at all, ergo no people forced to move to Prussia.

[VPeric]

Pardon me for my stupid comments, I misunderstud post #11.

[Nikolai II]

Originally Posted by VPeric

Pardon me for my stupid comments, I misunderstud post #11.

No problems, I missed half of post #13.

When (historically) would you (any of you) say that Prussia was 'germanified'?

The options right now are 1524 or 1732, with 1524 as the current option used. So?

[Vytis]

When (historically) would you (any of you) say that Prussia was 'germanified'?

Define 'Prussia' (borders). Then define 'germanified' (cultural/ethnical majority of a total population? cultural/ethnical majority in the cities? dominating/ruling ethnicity in the cities?).

[AndrewT]

Originally Posted by Nikolai II

Oops - rework to be done..

The #Hohenzollern Prussia become Polish Duchy# (Prussia 3516) already changes culture of both 290 and 289 to german.

The I suggest the following - skip the redundant 'changeculture' in my event and split the population to 5000 in 290 and 5000 in 289. (turning the event into mainly a flavor event, but my main goal was just to find a possible future for the poor protestants)

Also, 1617.inc, 1683.inc, 1700.inc, 1773.inc and 1795.inc should be changed: under the header # Prussia German the line province = { id = 289 culture = "german" } should be added to ,atch the event 3516.

Sorry to be a bother

*hides*

No problem, all done now too - we all miss things sometimes.