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Old 10-12-2003, 14:53   #1
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No Ainu?

In 1861 and 1881 there are no Ainu in Hokkaido and South Sakhalin in game. But in fact, the Japanese in South Sakhalin in 1881 was Ainu, and the North Hokkaido was not part of Japan until 1870. Of course, in that time all Hokkaido has few Japanese but more Ainu.
And, Okinawa and Amami are not Japanese but Ryukyuan. It seem to replace North Min as Ryukyuan better than Japanese. They are more similar than Japanese and Ryukyuan.
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Old 11-12-2003, 01:19   #2
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In 1861 and 1881 there are no Ainu in Hokkaido and South Sakhalin in game. But in fact, the Japanese in South Sakhalin in 1881 was Ainu, and the North Hokkaido was not part of Japan until 1870. Of course, in that time all Hokkaido has few Japanese but more Ainu.
And, Okinawa and Amami are not Japanese but Ryukyuan. It seem to replace North Min as Ryukyuan better than Japanese. They are more similar than Japanese and Ryukyuan.
Ainu also existed on the Kuriles (the last fights between the Japanese and the Ainu were there)
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Aetius, could you estimate the population of Japanese in Amami and Okinawa after Kagoshima invading Ryukyu?
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Aetius, could you estimate the population of Japanese in Amami and Okinawa after Kagoshima invading Ryukyu?
Well the first numbers I can find of Ryukyu's population are from 1749 (200 000). I would guess that only a few of these were Japanese proper (as opposed to Ryukyu:ans). There wasn't much communication between the king and his nominal overlords in Satsuma. But I do know that Satsuma did introduce several crops and improved Ryukyuan farming techniques.
My estimate is: 1609 about 100 000 of which maybe 500 - 1000 Japanese. But this is pretty much a guess...
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