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If this election has taught us anything, it is that there is no public mandate for a constitution. Installing one as a means of deciding the future of the government is tantamount to fulfilling Goldmann's primary campaign promise without conclusive support on the part of either the public or the party electorate. Until we can safely say which faction is going to come out on top through some unbiased, neutral means (I suggest differing to the Assembly), such action must be criticized as an undemocratic betrayal of our revolutionary ideals.
The worst that can happen now is a civil war. The wounds from the last one have yet to heal and another one would cripple us morally and politically for decades. Now is the time for cooler heads to prevail, now is the time for compromise and a wide coalition. The Marxist-Leninists, Luxemburgists and the left of the Democratic Anarchists must come together for the good of the people.
And how will compromise work any better? These are three very different factions, all with widely different ranging idealogies of what should and shouldn't be done, and a coalition will only result in even more infighting and more fuel for a potential civil war.
If Trotsky refuses to compromise, is peaceful secession of those areas of the VSVR which voted for the DAs possible? Another five years of Trotsky would ruin us all!
This is hardly possible. Only really A-K voters are grouped in a way that would support this.
However this has given me an idea.
In the election conclusion update - during which I'll tell you about what the Republic's leadership os going to look like - I'll include an electoral map of the VSVR.
Voting is based on percentages and provinces are large. So some factions may be painted on more provs than their percentage might suggest. Others might be the opposite. For example the DA voters would be spread out around the entire Republic but would dominat in few areas, M-L voters would be clustered around the most industrial areas.
You get the idea.
Just something to give you a better idea of the political landscape of the Republic.
Trotsky did very well after the war and managed to get the enconomy back on track. He also knows we must not abolish the state yet unlike the anarchists, coz the war isnt over yet, until usa, uk, india and china are socialist, we can not stop. There will be a time for anarchy when its over
"hmm... the elections end whithout winner and find an agreement is just too difficult... hmm... then...
LET'S START KILLING EACH OTHER!!! So the most stronger will be elected as supreme ruler!"
That's ridiculous! What are we? Barbarians? We should be the revolutionary vanguard of the world! Not some violent thugs uncapable to talk each other like civil people!
We Marxist-Leninists are not the ones who don't want to discuss, it's the Democratic Anarchist who don't want to work with Trotsky. We Marxist made a campaign about our goals, the DAs made a campaign against Trotsky. So, you have to tell the DAs to cooperate.
Well, this is delightfully chaotic. The funny think is the Leninists would probably gain from a Constitution right now, since it inevitably would involve the Assembly and they usually have most seats there. Anyway, the only way of solving this crisis is unity and cooperation. No government is a bad thing, so an Interim government must be formed. I suggest the Luxemburgists could lead some kind of Unity government while a solution is discussed (the Luxemburgists because no one hates them).
I do enjoy how you seem to not have any reservations about putting words in my mouth, my good proletariat comrade.
The votes should choose the assembly, where we can coalitions and those representatives choose the chairman.
And we need a constitution to define the election-system.
And we need a constitution to define the election-system.
Haha. No post has ever summed this AAR up better. :rofl:
OK. The regional election map was quite interesting. The M-Ls - as one would expect - are clustered around the big industrial cities and win most of them. The only really major industrial centres they lose are in Belgium (where Marxists have always suffered) and Berlin (which represents a huge coup for the NCs). Pretty interesting. There is a big yellow (that's DAs) block right down the middle of the Republic stretching (roughly) from the area just West of Bremen on the North Sea to the Austrian Tyrol in an almost unbroken line. That represents their core (areas that are what I'd call semi-urban, no huge industrial sprawls but lots of medium sized industrial towns and areas where the division between the farmer and the worker is less clear). The NCs are strongest in former Prussia and in Saxony. You'll see soon enough anyway.
Now all I need to do is think up a solution to this mess. I must be making the Beligan readers proud.
Because Trotsky wants something that we find disgraceful. Abusing the proletariat and waging endless wars. We do not want to work with someone who only desires more wars, unable to think of anything else.
We made a campaign against Trotsky, meaning that we are against wars and bloodshed, for a greater diplomatically stronger comintern, for a constitution and for greater individual rights.
The idea of the constitution is to define the rights of the citizens, protecting individuals from the state.
And our goals are the exact opposite of Trotsky's goals.
How can we cooperate when all you want is something we loathe?
As a M-L voter, I think this debacle should make the need for a constitution very clear.
Because there were no guarantees that the anarchists wouldn't implement a right-wing constitution.
Really? Anarchist are not even right-wing, but rather on the ultra-left!
And the constitution cannot be created without majority backing, there would have been compromises.
Only Trotskyist would be thinking of creating a constitution without negoatiating with other political factions.
Other than the fact that to implement a right-wing constitution without the consent of the other factions is stupid? Despite what you may believe, most Anarchists aren't dumb. There have been debates about the constitution, and I do believe I remember two or three people, all of which I believe voted for DAs, talking about how it'd be foolish to not include other factions' desires within such a constitution.
I've not said that I believe the DA would implement a right-wing constitution. I've voted according the programmes and several times tried to ask how the proposed constitution will be drafted but got no answers. I approved with the M-L programme in general, except for the proposed constitution of the DA which I approve of. Since nobody could, or tried to, convince me about the sincere intentions of the anarchists regarding the constitution, I voted for the M-L in hope of a strong electoral showing for a continued charimanship.
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