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I find it weird that the Anarchists supported a system that relied on votes of confidence for the new premier. To me it seems like such a system pretty much guarantees that either the moderate liberals or moderate socialists are going to win almost always in the future. The Anarchists and Marxist can negotiate for some concessions, but they're extremely unlikely to win outright because they're going to need a really strong majority to bargin from the wings.
 
I find it weird that the Anarchists supported a system that relied on votes of confidence for the new premier. To me it seems like such a system pretty much guarantees that either the moderate liberals or moderate socialists are going to win almost always in the future. The Anarchists and Marxist can negotiate for some concessions, but they're extremely unlikely to win outright because they're going to need a really strong majority to bargin from the wings.

Funny that we seek Anarchist values, we should not even have a party.
We undo, we do not do.
And the most liberal-minded citizens, our upper-classes should be out voters, not the farmers...
Maybe we are against capitalistic city-life?
 
I've just finished the next 5 years. Its a good un'. Sneak peak - war, inner party turmoil, industrial issues and a revolution in another obscure Asian country. Yay!
 
Nepal? 10 Volksmarks says it's Nepal! :D
More party turmoil? I may have to keep my commitment to moderation after all.
 
Nepal? 10 Volksmarks says it's Nepal! :D
More party turmoil? I may have to keep my commitment to moderation after all.

I bet my ten volksmark for Luang Prabang! Really obscure, plus the discontinuity should help rebels get the capital for a year.
 
once the crisis is gone there is no real need for the sort of middle way they represent.

So moderation is only required in times of great crisis? I can't say I agree with that. The problem with extremist parties is that by their nature they are always alienating a significant portion of the people with their policies. The United Front may not make everyone happy, but I would argue that far more people would be angered by Anarchist or Marxist policies than by UF policies. The problem with both the Anarchists and Marxists is that they force their vision of socialism onto many who do not agree with that vision, while the UF at least tries to broker a solution that will include the views of many to some extent.

I will, however, admit that both the Marxists and Anarchists seem to have a step away from the extremes and towards a bit more moderation, although Malatesta personally is one of the biggest extremists the VSVR has ever seen. I'm not trying to badmouth him, by the way, it is stated in Tommy4ever's post that he is an extremist.
 
So moderation is only required in times of great crisis? I can't say I agree with that. The problem with extremist parties is that by their nature they are always alienating a significant portion of the people with their policies. The United Front may not make everyone happy, but I would argue that far more people would be angered by Anarchist or Marxist policies than by UF policies. The problem with both the Anarchists and Marxists is that they force their vision of socialism onto many who do not agree with that vision, while the UF at least tries to broker a solution that will include the views of many to some extent.

I will, however, admit that both the Marxists and Anarchists seem to have a step away from the extremes and towards a bit more moderation, although Malatesta personally is one of the biggest extremists the VSVR has ever seen. I'm not trying to badmouth him, by the way, it is stated in Tommy4ever's post that he is an extremist.

I was speculating about why the votes for the parties are growing so close to each other. And anyway, are we not a revolutionary party? Moderation is to safeguard the gains of the Revolution, not to advance it further.
 
An Anarchist Soapbox, Somewhere outside the Essen Steelworks. A man stands on the painted black and red wood, a couple of men stand alongside him, they have the look of the Junge Volksmiliz about them - beat up caps and loose fitting jackets, along with faded cotton shirts. The man on the soap box has stubble, a cigarette always in his left hand and a look of conviction in his eyes, he looks about 32. Behind him on the wall is a rough wheatpaste poster of Kropotkin.

"My brothers! The People of the VSVR! The United Front of the People's Party would seek to blind you into the position that you require them to be a free people under the sun in our glorious, international revolutionary organisation! Our nation is sliding toward the dull, humdrum of constant and consistent. The revolution has been consolidated in these last few years, but Engels desire to safeguard our revolution risks locking us into a cycle of stagnation!"

"The action of the United Front leads them to consistently oppress over half of the potential electorate, whilst they introduce gradual reform, in the vein of the bourgeois oppressors of Europe, slowly introducing small things and they seek to defuse any enthusiasm we might bear for life, or strength of feeling!"

"We must not let this persecution of our faculties continue in such a manner! My brothers, at the next election, vote Anarchist before the People's Party stagnates into a Debased Worker's Parliament, where the 'Prime Minister' prances around the 'People's Palace of the Republic' in Cologne! As a real working men, you must understand the value that you make in the terms of goods and intellectual contribution to the nature of our International Revolutionary Movement, and so I beseech you to let your voices be heard to their fullest extent, through the Anarchists and Kropotkin!"​
 
Moderation is to safeguard the gains of the Revolution, not to advance it further.

The issue is, there are two extremes, both of which claim to be advancing the Revolution, but they do so in very different ways that make the other side angry. As such, we do need a compromise party that can advance the Revolution without forcing measures down people's throats that are extremely unpleasant for a third of the population. Maybe moderation isn't the right word, but we do need something to make sure that no feels as if they are being forced to take the Revolution in what they believe is the wrong direction.
 
The issue is, there are two extremes, both of which claim to be advancing the Revolution, but they do so in very different ways that make the other side angry. As such, we do need a compromise party that can advance the Revolution without forcing measures down people's throats that are extremely unpleasant for a third of the population. Maybe moderation isn't the right word, but we do need something to make sure that no feels as if they are being forced to take the Revolution in what they believe is the wrong direction.

I agree with your initial statement. I was trying to make a theory about the UF while acknowleging that people will disagree about which of the other factions is best. But the other factions do all claim to be advancing, while the UF just wants to be 'moderate'. And the rest of your argument can be met by my idea that moderation is only needed but is welcome when the gains of the revolution are going to be lost by what everyone can agree is the wrong direction being taken. Now I happen to think the wrong direction is that of Blanqui and to some extent of the Marxists generally, and it looks like many people agreed with me when push came to shove some years ago.
 
I hope the new Anarchist leadership can shake thing up. Once again the false propaganda of the Capitalist- Imperialist United Front was able to steer the workers in the wrong direction. The United Front is nothing but some rich, fat people pretending to be Socialists, oppressing the proletariat, and stomping down the brave laborers of the countryside, who deserve to take their place in our republic. Our revolution has failed since such counter revolutionary forces are allowed to dominate. We need to rise up on the barricades again and reclaim the revolution of the working class, and create a true Anarchist Commune of Workers and Peasants.
 
Can you not see how the latest governments have failed on our revolutionary path?
This is stagnation, the revolution cannot be halted, it must be preached everywhere!
We have strive together, to destroy all the capitalistic societies, then we can undo ours!
 
OK. After alot of thought I've decided that the next update is going to introduce someone who I think shall become one of the single most important figures in the Republic. He is a RL revolutionary, and a famous one at that, but I'm going to make him 26 years younger than in RL.

Since the next 5 years is so jam packed I think I'll divide it into two seperate updates, we'll have to see.

ps the guesses of our random Asian revolution were both wrong. :p
 
OK. After alot of thought I've decided that the next update is going to introduce someone who I think shall become one of the single most important figures in the Republic. He is a RL revolutionary, and a famous one at that, but I'm going to make him 26 years younger than in RL.

Since the next 5 years is so jam packed I think I'll divide it into two seperate updates, we'll have to see.

ps the guesses of our random Asian revolution were both wrong. :p

It's a shame you said "he", I've been hoping for an earlier version of Rosa Luxemburg, that'd be awesome.
 
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