Post-Civil War US elections

talt · Jul 31, 2010

The USA goes completely dead pretty much after the end of the civil war and this doesn't make me happy. One thing that defenitely needs to be done are good post-war elections.

1944 to 1952 can fire as they normally would.

However, 1940 only fires if both the CSA and AUS no longer exist and that the PSA does not control Denver or Phoenix, in other words the civil war is almost at an end. If the 1940 election does not fire, then there should be an alternative special election in 1942 (1944 will still fire as normal though). Here some vague ideas for candidates:

Garner is in office

1940: Knox/Landon vs. Garner/Wallace

Knox is in office:

1940: Knox/Landon vs. Wallace/Thurmond

1944: Landon/Dewey vs. Wallace/Thurmond

Garner or Wallace is in office:

1944: Wallace/Thurmond vs. Landon/Dewey

Landon is in office:

1948: Landon/Bricker vs. Truman/Stevenson

1952: Eisenhower/Hodges* vs. Stevenson/Sparkman

I know I've missed a few out, but my knowledge of US political history isn't the greatest.

*Considering the damage the nationalist AUS did to the USA during the Civil War, I have my doubts that McCarthyism would pick up and therefore I don't think Nixon would get to become VP.

unmerged(169228) · Jul 31, 2010

Currently US elections are very high on our To Do list. As the one in charge of coding them any feedback to our proposals are welcome. Currently this is the setup we are planning:

First elections after war (probably 1940/41)

If Garner is president:
- Garner/Wallace vs Knox/Dewey

If Curtis or Knox is president:
- Knox/Dewey vs Wallace/Barkley

If MacArthur restored democracy after his junta:
- MacArthur/Knox vs Wallace/Barkley

Next elections (probably 1944/1945):

If Garner or Wallace is president:
- Wallace/Harriman vs Taft/Thurmond

If Knox or Dewey is president:
- Dewey/Bricker vs Hull/Barkley

If Mac is president:
- MacArthur/Eisenhower vs Hull/Barkley

Next elections (1948/1949):

If Wallace or Hull is president:
- Harriman/? vs Taft/Thurmond

If Taft is president:
- Barkley/? vs Taft/Thurmond

If MacArthur is president:
- Eisenhower/? vs Barkley/?

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I am also working on elections for the PSA, as there is a reasonable chance of the USA and PSA to coexist.
Currently I am thinking of elections between the following parties:

- Progressive party (Hiram Johnson, Earl Warren)

- Republican party/ Whigs (Merriam)

- Socialist Party (Upton Sinclair)

Please let me know what you think.

Akaki · Aug 28, 2010

And what if Long won the elections and managed to avoid the civil war?

unmerged(169228) · Aug 29, 2010

I think thats a mistake of the original scripters, as the ACW is meant to happen. I will not code to providefor such a freak occurence.

Vesimir · Sep 2, 2010

I want Kennedy!

Kennedy god damn you! And it would still be ahistorical cause he wouldn't get offed by anyone.

Please!

Mrdie · Sep 4, 2010

Akaki said:
And what if Long won the elections and managed to avoid the civil war?

Then you can pretend his benevolent and paternalist rule prevents any serious opposition from forming against him.

Strategos' Risk · Sep 24, 2010

Vesimir said:
I want Kennedy!

Kennedy god damn you! And it would still be ahistorical cause he wouldn't get offed by anyone.

Please!

Depends on which Kennedy. JPK Jr. would still be alive.

Vesimir · Sep 25, 2010

Strategos' Risk said:
Depends on which Kennedy. JPK Jr. would still be alive.

JFK of course.

Strategos' Risk · Sep 25, 2010

Yeah, but his late brother Joseph was always their father's favorite and groomed successor, the only reason why he didn't make it big was because he died in WWII. JFK would be sidelined just like Robert and Teddy were if Joseph Jr. was still alive, which he might be in Kaiserreich.

unmerged(169228) · Sep 25, 2010

Slight problem regarding the Kennedy's is that daddy Joseph supports the AUS. Even though John, Robert and Ted didn't share many of his ideas (not sure about Joe jr.), being sons of a well known traitor doesn't help your career.

serutan · Sep 26, 2010

FlyingDutchie said:
I think thats a mistake of the original scripters, as the ACW is meant to happen. I will not code to providefor such a freak occurence.

I would have thought so, too, but about year ago I asked twice about this,
and the question was ignored.

Also, the civil war can be avoided if you choose a McArthur takeover in
the "Day in September" event. Again, I thought this a bug, and asked about
it, and was again ignored. I'm forced to conclude it's deliberate.

unmerged(169228) · Sep 26, 2010

serutan said:
I would have thought so, too, but about year ago I asked twice about this,
and the question was ignored.

Also, the civil war can be avoided if you choose a McArthur takeover in
the "Day in September" event. Again, I thought this a bug, and asked about
it, and was again ignored. I'm forced to conclude it's deliberate.

Can you explain how Mac can avoid a takeover? I've seen him step in after "Day in september", but this has (and should) always led to the ACW before.

We know about the caveat with choosing Long and being moderate, but the chance that the ai pulls this off is very low. Therefore I think its nice to keep it in for those people adamant about skipping the ACW. See it as a little exploit

^_AC_^ · Sep 26, 2010

FlyingDutchie said:
Can you explain how Mac can avoid a takeover? I've seen him step in after "Day in september", but this has (and should) always led to the ACW before.

We know about the caveat with choosing Long and being moderate, but the chance that the ai pulls this off is very low. Therefore I think its nice to keep it in for those people adamant about skipping the ACW. See it as a little exploit

I agree with this.

serutan · Sep 26, 2010

FlyingDutchie said:
Can you explain how Mac can avoid a takeover? I've seen him step in after "Day in september", but this has (and should) always led to the ACW before.

We know about the caveat with choosing Long and being moderate, but the chance that the ai pulls this off is very low. Therefore I think its nice to keep it in for those people adamant about skipping the ACW. See it as a little exploit

I should have said I haven't checked this in a while (pre 1.0) - anyhoo in case it's still there this is what I did:

- Reject the National Security act in early October (i.e. choose 'this is still a democracy!')
- Select the event that banned AUS and CSA from the election.
- When you get the event about rioting from AUS and CSA (on Oct 30), select 'back down' (allow completely free election).

The 1936 election event never fired, so none of the ACW events fired
either. When I looked at the events, I noticed there was a 3 day delay
before the choice took effect, which meant it was not activated until
*after* Election Day, so the Election Day event was inhibited. None of the
ACW flags were set due to allowing the election, so the ACW couldn't
happen.

When I removed the delay, the game froze on November 1.

As to the Long thing, I see your point, although given the hatred Reed
and Long have for each other (reinforced by events), I would have thought
that Reed would bolt the second Long was elected (and vice versa).

thevaliant · Oct 18, 2010

Just started to play this mod and did notice the USA elections post civil war are non-existant.

I don't have loads of free time, but given I did the (excellent

) 'Proper US and UK elections' I might be able to lend a hand for the USA, PSA and AUS (will the AUS have elections?) 1940 to 1960. Is there anything that might need doing?

unmerged(169228) · Oct 18, 2010

thevaliant said:
Just started to play this mod and did notice the USA elections post civil war are non-existant.

I don't have loads of free time, but given I did the (excellent ) 'Proper US and UK elections' I might be able to lend a hand for the USA, PSA and AUS (will the AUS have elections?) 1940 to 1960. Is there anything that might need doing?

Currently we are working on postwar elections for the USA and PSA, as well as postwar events for the AUS. Events for the CSA are being planned too. Currently we are debating who should be the candidates and who should be part of their cabinets. Feel free to suggest potential presidents or ministers in this thread or to join us at our forum to assist the team. The link to the forum found on this page.

jamhaw · Dec 17, 2010

FlyingDutchie said:
I think thats a mistake of the original scripters, as the ACW is meant to happen. I will not code to providefor such a freak occurence.

I think it would be nice if there actually were paths which one could take to avoid the civil war, the problem is that there are all of these great chains pre-civil war, but they do not actually mean much as the civil war will erupt whatever you do. It would be nice to have a non-exploit way of avoiding the civil war, even if there are not many events for it.

Fancykiller65 · Dec 17, 2010

jamhaw said:
I think it would be nice if there actually were paths which one could take to avoid the civil war, the problem is that there are all of these great chains pre-civil war, but they do not actually mean much as the civil war will erupt whatever you do. It would be nice to have a non-exploit way of avoiding the civil war, even if there are not many events for it.

maybe an event with zero AI chance that gives you a chance to avoid the civil war events? Maybe add some dissent if you choose that option or maybe something harsher?

^_AC_^ · Dec 17, 2010

I'm sure it is possible with Long if he doesn't push for reforms once President and maybe there is a tiny chance even for the Democratic candidate (not sure about this).

unmerged(169228) · Dec 19, 2010

I would be against a way to avoid the ACW, as it simply leaves the States too powerful (even more so that the winner of the ACW already is). Furthermore, the USA is basically beyond saving in Kaiserreich, being wrecked by the mother of all economic crises (worse that the real New York Stock exchange crash), a complete loss of faith in Washington and a deeply divided population, with both Reed and Long offering solutions that neither Democrats nor Republicans are willing to implement.

We left the current path in as an expoit of sorts, but I think we shouldn't reward players for using such exploits by legitimizing such a chain.

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