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As much as I hate religion and its terrible, terrible influences on our people, to convert by force has proven to be a root of even more problems. The loosening of our religious restrictions and Council Communism are the answers to our internal problems, while the Marxist-Leninist plans of censorship and party purging shall only increase them. Once our internal strife has been resolved, we can once again look outwards and help our oppressed comrades abroad!

The purging that will take place is merely to rectify a problem that should never have entered the People's Party to begin with. Think of Trotsky as a gardener removing a weed - a dirty, racist, misogynistic, republic-hating and thoroughly reactionary weed.
 
The un-socialist international is not socialist enough for the party.

Mixed Economics are a extreme perverson of socialism by capitalists.
 
Anything even remotely different from orthodox Marxism is an extreme perversion of socialism to orthodox Marxists, so that's not saying much.

Socialism is putting workers or all people in general in control of the means of production and society.

Not putting workers in control in some of the economy, ALL OF IT.
 
Socialism is putting workers or all people in general in control of the means of production and society.

Not putting workers in control in some of the economy, ALL OF IT.

And that's what, say, the Luxemburgists promise, or the Anarchists promise, and yet they're still "bourgeouis", "reactionary", "un-revolutionary", etc. etc.

Really, I fail to see how putting the state in power, rather than the people or the workers themselves, allows for socialism by your definition to exist. Would not the state be in control of the means of production and society, rather than the people and/or the workers?
 
Come on, throw the Democrats a bone with Einstein here.

Give it up Keynes. Even with Einstein, still noone would vote for the Dems. Besides, Tommy has already said several times that things will be changing for the Dems after this election. Why don't you wait and see what happens before you continue trying to defend your petite bourgeois, soft left social democracy?

That said, I think Einstein would make a good candidate. He was known for his political clout too, and was even invited to be Israel's 2nd President, which he turned down for obvious reasons.
 
Esteemed Comrades, let me first say that it is a sad time for our nation. Despite what disagreements any of us may have had with Comrade Lenin and Comrade Luxembourg, they were great leaders of the Proletariat and have helped blazed the way, theoretically and practically, for future generations to live in a true communist world free of oppression and division.

That having been said, I believe that our nation's great strength right now MUST be exploited. Failure to do so would be treasonous to future generations. We MUST expand the revolution and dispose of the Ancien Regimes. All of the proletariat, workers and farmers, Poles, Germans and Walloons, must be communized, if there is such a word. We must work to dispose of old divisions and integrate. Education is the key, and it MUST become a primary focus.

Now that I've said what I came to say, I cast my vote for the Marxist-Leninist-Trotskyists.

PS... can we get a cabinet position for Comrade Bukharin?
 
And that's what, say, the Luxemburgists promise, or the Anarchists promise, and yet they're still "bourgeouis", "reactionary", "un-revolutionary", etc. etc.

Really, I fail to see how putting the state in power, rather than the people or the workers themselves, allows for socialism by your definition to exist. Would not the state be in control of the means of production and society, rather than the people and/or the workers?
I never said they were. I consider the Luxemburgists and Anarchists Socialist.

If the state is a workers state, its indirectly controlled by the workers.
 
And thus you support the True Germans! Good choice!

The true germans still believe in bourgeois ideas like nationalism and races, and for that reason the leaders should be sent to jail for crimes aganist the people.
 
If mixed economy and liberal social democrats aren't allowed in the party and non revolutionary socialists are all going to be given to other factions, why exactly is there a Democratic party in the first place.
You're missing the point of the Democrats, despite their liberal sounding name they are still much to the left of the British Liberals or the American Republicans, Democrats or Roosevelt's Progressives. Though some people (M-L supporters mostly) consider them to be some liberal bourgeois anti-socialist faction (perhaps due to their name...) they consider themselves to be socialist, Bernstein was a revisionist socialist (a proto-Democratic Socialist/Social Democrat), Martov was a Socialist.

There should be one party that represents mainstream Western European and American socialist thought, controlling the economy, opposing war and freeing the populace.
In case you have forgotten, this is "Let the Ruling Class Tremble" and not "Realpolitik". Would you like monarchists and theocrats to have their own faction too?
 
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The socialist international is not made up of socialist. If I start letting on anyone vaguely reformist then I might as well make Tony Blair General Secretary and call it a day. He led a party in that 'socialist' international :wacko:.

Anyways, a couple of records have bee broken over night. The Marxist-Leninists have become the first faction to win 30 votes. Even better we have broken the previous best total turnout. Lots of voting. :D

Current score is M-Ls 30, Anarchists 24

Polls close in 3 hours and 55 minutes.
 
The socialist international is not made up of socialist. If I start letting on anyone vaguely reformist then I might as well make Tony Blair General Secretary and call it a day. He led a party in that 'socialist' international :wacko:.

Anyways, a couple of records have bee broken over night. The Marxist-Leninists have become the first faction to win 30 votes. Even better we have broken the previous best total turnout. Lots of voting. :D

Current score is M-Ls 30, Anarchists 24

Polls close in 3 hours and 55 minutes.

As I won't have time to later If we do come back, I change my vote to the Anarchists. Sorry, Karl.
 
As I won't have time to later If we do come back, I change my vote to the Anarchists. Sorry, Karl.

I don't know who your changing from so unless I get this information I cannot change it.

@ Phalanxia: For the final time. The Democrats have onyl ever had 2 different CC members and both can certainly be considered in the 'celebrity' catagory of Leftists. Bernstein bascially represents what the Democrat movement in this AAR was trying to be - a revisionist outcrop of Marxism supporting democracy above everything, and a more peaceful relationship with the rest of the world. He's pretty famous. Then they had Martov who was admittedly only in briefly but is a very famous figure.

There simply are no other figures that would fit in the Democrat movement in this AAR who are more famous than these guys. Even if they had someone more famous than Lenin and more loved than Che they still wouldn't get mass support from the POPs and would almost certainly not win the Chairmanship vote.

So I don't see why so many Democrat supporters insist on whining. The real victims of not having a 'historical celebrity' were the Moderates and their supporters (or should I say supporter) never really whined.

Worst of all about this annoying whining is the fact that in barely an hour the Democrats in their current form are going to cease to exist when I release the next update. :wacko:

40 mins to go.
 
Polls are now closed!!!!!

I'll be back shortly with the final election results. :)
 
Election Results of 1900

Chairmanship Election

Total Votes: 74 (beats the record by 4 votes :D)

Marxist-Leninists: 31
Anarchists: 24
Luxemburgists: 8
True Germans: 5
Revolutionaries: 3
Democrats: 3

Percentages

Marxist-Leninists: 41.89%
Anarchists: 32.43%
Luxemburgists: 10.81%
True Germans: 6.76%
Revolutionaries: 4.05%
Democrats: 4.05%

Leon Trotsky is the new Chairman of the VSVR.

People's Vote for the Constituent Assembly

Percentages

Marxist-Leninists: 28.79%
Revolutionaries: 25.825%
Luxemburgists: 18.63%
Anarchists: 12.41%
True Germans: 8.165%
Democrats: 6.18%

Seats

Marxist-Leninists: 29
Revolutionaries: 26
Luxemburgists: 19
Anarchists: 12
True Germans: 8
Democrats: 6

The Marxist-Leninists and Luxemburgists form a minority alliance in the Assembly with a total of 48 of 100 seats. Trotsky leads this alliance as Chairman. Ernst Thalmann becomes Speaker of the Assembly through the virture of being the 2nd most prominent figure in the Assembly's largest faction.
 
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