Becoming a Democracy
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Were you an absolute monarchy? IIRC Jacobin victories go...
Absolute Monarchy -> HM Monarchy/Prussian Consitutional
Any others -> Democracy
I could be wrong though... i'm no expert.
Absolute Monarchy -> HM Monarchy/Prussian Consitutional
Any others -> Democracy
I could be wrong though... i'm no expert.
You are right - Jacobins always result in a Democracy, except in an Absolute Monarchy or Prussian Constitutional Monarchy where they result in a HM's Government.
Change your Upper Party to 2 per state. If you're a monarchy of any kind, your UH is (probably) Appointed, right? So just get high militancy or 50% liberals and change it.
Is there much of a real difference these days between HM's government and a democracy? I know that in V1 it was an important distinction because of the effect plurality would have on militancy, but I'm not sure it's that way anymore.
Well, to me the biggest difference is that HMs can appoint the ruling party in the lower house, while democracies are stuck with whatever party the POPs elect. I would say that is a big difference!
In fact, I feel that democracies are underpowered now, since the militancy-reducing effects of plurality in democracies from Vic1 no longer exists. At least before they were balanced to some extent. Now, I must cofess to preferring monarchies all of the time.
Yeah, I remember that plurality was "good" for Democracies and "bad" for Absolutist governments in V1. I thought that once you moved away from Prussian Constitutionalism or Absolute Monarchy you were no longer able to appoint the ruling party. Are you still allowed to do that? What's the difference between Prussian Constitutionalism and HM's government then?
Different kinds of monarchies have limits on what kinds of parties they can appoint.
Absolute monarchies can only appoint liberal, conservative, and reactionary (I think).
Prussian monarchies can only appoint liberal, conservative, socialist, and reactionary parties.
HMs can appoint any party.
These limitations might not seem to be a big deal, but depending on what your country's parties look like, you may really want to get to HMs as soon as possible just to get access to certain parties.
Democracy gives a nice boost to immigration and HM's give the possibility to change the ruling party.
HM's is easy to reach with reform, democracy isn't as most of the countries have/had a king of equivalent.
HM's is easy to reach with reform, democracy isn't as most of the countries have/had a king of equivalent.
HM Government does seem to be a bit overpowered. Playing as Prussia>Germany at the moment, I can appoint whatever government I want despite having enacted all the political reforms.
I have a free press, allow public meetings and socialist trade unions and universal voting on a PR basis, and yet I can just turn round and override the results of an election for a fairly small hit to militancy that disappears when I change back to the majority party.
I've been using this to fix any problems that arise with the Liberals lassiez faire policies, but currently if I switch to the reactionaries I'll be able to pass my first social reform too. If I were an out-and-out democracy I quite properly couldn't do this.
I have a free press, allow public meetings and socialist trade unions and universal voting on a PR basis, and yet I can just turn round and override the results of an election for a fairly small hit to militancy that disappears when I change back to the majority party.
I've been using this to fix any problems that arise with the Liberals lassiez faire policies, but currently if I switch to the reactionaries I'll be able to pass my first social reform too. If I were an out-and-out democracy I quite properly couldn't do this.
Changing the ruling party shouldn't affect your ability to pass reforms, since those are decided by the Upper House.
Sorry, should have made it clear. I've got about 45% socialists in the Upper House and the militancy hit I get from switching away from the democratically-elected Liberals is sufficient to give me a majority in the UH for social reform.
Yes, that is significant. I was having trouble appointing the Communists in my Prussian Constitutionalism once. I'm thinking that based on the problems I saw in that game that you as the monarch can not only not appoint that party, but the people are also not allowed to vote for them. Is that accurate?
I played as prussia and unified Germany and turned it into a hm goverment. The flag turned into the democratic flag. Later i turned it into a democracy but the flag changed to the old monarchy flag. Why did that happen?
If you unified Germany and became HM's government then that suggests to me that you took the Crown from the Gutter event to unify. Is that true? Did you get any rebellions afterwards?
Its all still too vague to me as to how to transit to democracy and i'm starting to suspect that paradox never intended for an HM goverment to turn to a democratic one.
I recently played as Greece and "hacked" the save so i had democracy. After conquering the whole OE , i never got the form_byzantine_empire decision , so i checked the code
Using same method of being democracy to an other country , always fired up a decision and i became presidential dictatorship.
Can someone point me to detailed information on what effects what government will arise ?
I recently played as Greece and "hacked" the save so i had democracy. After conquering the whole OE , i never got the form_byzantine_empire decision , so i checked the code
Code:
form_byzantine_empire = {
potential = {
tag = GRE
OR = {
government = absolute_monarchy
government = prussian_constitutionalism
government = hms_government
}Using same method of being democracy to an other country , always fired up a decision and i became presidential dictatorship.
Can someone point me to detailed information on what effects what government will arise ?
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You never got the decision because only Absolute Monarchy, Prussian Con, and HMS Government can get the event based on what you've posted. I'm not sure why you thought you needed a Dem?
Also, if you're seeing your Dem transformed into a Pres Dictatorship then it sounds like the Anarcho-liberals are winning landslides and taking over the government. I believe if they are the elected ruling party they declare a Pres Dictatorship. I'm not sure if they just have to be the ruling party or if they also have to have a majority in the UH.
Paradox intended that you need to let rebels win if you want to switch government types because it's completely ahistoric for a monarch to voluntarily abdicate and announce a new Communist republic for instance. I can't really think of many situations in which a monarch voluntary and unilaterally just woke up one morning and got rid of their own dynasty without some significant threat of violence.
Also, if you're seeing your Dem transformed into a Pres Dictatorship then it sounds like the Anarcho-liberals are winning landslides and taking over the government. I believe if they are the elected ruling party they declare a Pres Dictatorship. I'm not sure if they just have to be the ruling party or if they also have to have a majority in the UH.
Paradox intended that you need to let rebels win if you want to switch government types because it's completely ahistoric for a monarch to voluntarily abdicate and announce a new Communist republic for instance. I can't really think of many situations in which a monarch voluntary and unilaterally just woke up one morning and got rid of their own dynasty without some significant threat of violence.