Why is Anatolian Peninsula part of Europe?

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• May 11, 2012

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I was looking at the continent borders for the game and noticed that the entirety of the Anatolian Peninsula (Turkey/Ottoman Empire) is European.

Is there a reason for this to handle balance/missions/events? Maybe I should just start changing the borders of continents and watch what happens...

 

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As far as I know it's for balance and I'm guessing also to make the AI Ottomans work slightly better.

 

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In the game it's important what continent a country's capital is on. If Anatolia was considered part of Asia as is traditional in reality, the Ottomans would have trouble switching their capital around between there and Constantinople.

Same reason Turks and Arabs are considered part of the same culture group or why Hungarian culture is present in places it shouldn't. So the game works better.

 

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Hmm, I will definitely test this out later tonight.

I really want to make sure its needed because if it is not then I will go nuts and completely change the borders of europe and asia in the continents file.

 

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Well , they move it by decision , not a normal move so it's not relevant.
Being in Europe allow them to have some modifiers , like east india company.

 

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I was under the impression that in the EU3 timeframe that area was considered part of Europe.

 

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DDRJake said:

I was under the impression that in the EU3 timeframe that area was considered part of Europe.

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With heartland Byzantium there I would say it was Europe at the time.

 

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if anatolia was in asia, most of the ottoman empire would be classed as "distant overseas" every time someone blocked the bosporus.....

 

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It was considered part of Europe back then...
And it helps balance as well


I believe even North Africa could be added to Europe, if you take into consideration historical reasons and balance.

 

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Duke of Britain said:

It was considered part of Europe back then...
And it helps balance as well


I believe even North Africa could be added to Europe, if you take into consideration historical reasons and balance.

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The thing with North Africa is that Castille would be even MORE inclined to splatter yellow all over the region if it were "in Europe."

 

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ByzCrusader said:

The thing with North Africa is that Castille would be even MORE inclined to splatter yellow all over the region if it were "in Europe."

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That's why you should try Death & Taxes. Muslims are much stronger in that mod.

 

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If the Ottoman capital is in Europe they'll prioritize Europe, if it is in Asia they'll prioritize Asia. As simple as that
Them being in Europe does mean more crusades, etc targeting them in my experience as well, but as they hold much of Greece, Bulgaria, etc as the game starts that cannot be helped anyway.

I don't think I've seen Anatolia (Asia Minor) being referred to as European much but for what it's worth the concept of European or the continent of Europe was arguably mostly academical at the time. Near the end of the game the concept of "The Near East" was somewhat popular in regards to Anatolia, but that only refers to all lands controlled by the Ottoman Empire (and so often included south eastern Europe).
When trying to promote a sameness with the rest of the European monarchs it was much more common to refer to "Christendom" than to "Europe" before at least the 18th century anyway.

 

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Fronzel said:

In the game it's important what continent a country's capital is on. If Anatolia was considered part of Asia as is traditional in reality, the Ottomans would have trouble switching their capital around between there and Constantinople.

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It happens to be the case that the Ottoman capital at the start of the game is Edirne, which is the province west of Thrace and therefore definitely in Europe.

 

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• May 13, 2012

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Whether Turkey is part of Europe now is still debated.

 

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Ruanek said:

Whether Turkey is part of Europe now is still debated.

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