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Enewald said:
But we can avoid both by persuading the locals to accept democracy and vote for a socialist future.
The VSVR cannot force the world to become socialist, the world needs not to be pushed around by our armies, but rather it should be guided by our ideals.
Let the VSVR shine as a beacon of light, hope and freedom for the world.
Otherwise we will look like Mordor to the rest of the world :p
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It is almost impossible for a workers party to win in a false and unfair BOURGEOIS democracy. No matter how many communists there are, the rich will dominate the election with the weighed votes.
 
Lenin Cat said:
It is almost impossible for a workers party to win in a false and unfair BOURGEOIS democracy. No matter how many communists there are, the rich will dominate the election with the weighed votes.
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Then we need to persuade them with diplomatic pressure, educate the locals with truth and watch how the regimes reform under internal and external pressure.
No one has to get killed. Bourgeois democracy is just a momentary phase on the path towards democratic socialism. It is just a matter of time and how well we work to liberate the world with peaceful policies.
We can do it, but Trotsky cannot do it.

Vote for Democratic Anarchists!
 
Diplomatic pressure and internal pressure will not make the bourgeois give up there power, they are more likely to open fire on protestors before that happens.
 
Enewald said:
But we can avoid both by persuading the locals to accept democracy and vote for a socialist future.
The VSVR cannot force the world to become socialist, the world needs not to be pushed around by our armies, but rather it should be guided by our ideals.
Let the VSVR shine as a beacon of light, hope and freedom for the world.
Otherwise we will look like Mordor to the rest of the world :p
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I voted DA, but just because I think we need a break from war and need a constitution. You cannot persuade people living in feudal autocracies to vote for Socialists because they have no elections, and as evidenced by the Labour Party having been in power in Britain, the most you can expect from elected socialists in bourgeois "democracies" in most circumstances are moderate concessions to the workers, not the revolutionary change in society which is neccessary. This line of argument will get us nowhere.
 
I will vote once more for the Marxists-Leninists. Thanks to the leadership of Trotsky we managed to free almost all of Europe from the hands of the capitalists. There's absolutely no reason to vote different when all is going well.
 
Anarchy is the goverment you vote for when the whole world is socialists and start get rid of the state. The main thing is even tho we won the war UK wasnt that weakened, USA was still in isolation, and now china is a rising power. What the next goverment should be focusing on is inciting socialist rebellions in china and make them socialists, which would then make it easier to free India. With UK losing india they would be suspect to a revoloution. Which would then only leave USA who would fall easy with whole world agaisnt them. And then we can vote for Anarchy but only then should we. Voting for Anarchy now will only weaken us
 
ChrisTheConq said:
Anarchy is the goverment you vote for when the whole world is socialists and start get rid of the state. The main thing is even tho we won the war UK wasnt that weakened, USA was still in isolation, and now china is a rising power. What the next goverment should be focusing on is inciting socialist rebellions in china and make them socialists, which would then make it easier to free India. With UK losing india they would be suspect to a revoloution. Which would then only leave USA who would fall easy with whole world agaisnt them. And then we can vote for Anarchy but only then should we. Voting for Anarchy now will only weaken us
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Well said, comrade. I would not be surprised if, in the event the anarchists won, the bourgeoisie nations attacked us. They must have seen the chaos caused by the last Anarchist victory. So in reality, while they profess peace, a vote for Anarchism is a vote for war!
 
Derdiedas said:
When the pols will be closed?
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Tommorrow, 5PM, UK Time.

Hows about a poll?

Total Votes - 78 - We've not just surpassed the record turnout, we've smashed it. 5 votes ahead of the the previous best (last week) and with another full day of voting to go.

Democratic Anarchists - 29
Marxist-Leninists: 27
National Communists - 11
Anarcho-Kadonists - 8
Luxemburgists - 3

OK. At this stage its pretty clear that the next Chairman is either going the be Emma Goldman - the Anarchist leader of the Democratic Anarchists (remember that that alliance contains a substantial amount of non-Anarchists ie the former Democrats) or Leon Trotsky, again. Just two votes in it. This election could still go either way. In other news, it seems the Luxemburgists have become the new German Socialists. Initially extremely popular but with a vote in terminal decline since their first election. Poor Karl. The A-Ks seem to have disapointed on their debut. New factions traditionally have a good first electoral showing. Although they've had a few votes of late they still have just over 10% of the vote.
 
Comrades, National Communists, Kadonists and Luxemburgists,
The Democratic Anarchists need your help in preventing Trotsky from becoming the chairman!
Please choose whether you want to change your votes!
Your votes elect the chairman, you do not decide how much power you get!

Vote for Democratic Anarchists and stop Trotsky!
 
Enewald said:
Comrades, National Communists, Kadonists and Luxemburgists,
The Democratic Anarchists need your help in preventing Trotsky from becoming the chairman!
Please choose whether you want to change your votes!
Your votes elect the chairman, you do not decide how much power you get!

Vote for Democratic Anarchists and stop Trotsky!
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Many of the factions have nothing in common with the Democratic Anarchists. Not to mention that calling for people to change their votes this late in the election undermines the democratic process completely. "Democratic" Anarchists. Pah!
 
Konnigratz said:
Many of the factions have nothing in common with the Democratic Anarchists. Not to mention that calling for people to change their votes this late in the election undermines the democratic process completely. "Democratic" Anarchists. Pah!
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'Marxist-Leninists'... Marx is dead as is Lenin. :p
Holding the views of dead people is looking like a religion. ;)

You seek your answers from past policies, crying for how successful they were from your point of view.

We look forwards for new policies. Such as stopping warring and calming down.

The future will be made by anarchists. Marx is dead, Lenin is dead, and Trotsky shall also perish.
We are not bound to the views of mortal men.

Vote for Democratic Anarchists!
Secure peace, common rights, constitution, equality and solidarity!
Together we shall prevent future wars!
 
Enewald said:
'Marxist-Leninists'... Marx is dead as is Lenin. :p
Holding the views of dead people is looking like a religion. ;)

You seek your answers from past policies, crying for how successful they were from your point of view.

We look forwards for new policies. Such as stopping warring and calming down.

The future will be made by anarchists. Marx is dead, Lenin is dead, and Trotsky shall also perish.
We are not bound to the views of mortal men.

Vote for Democratic Anarchists!
Secure peace, common rights, constitution, equality and solidarity!
Together we shall prevent future wars!
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Peace is not a new idea for any faction. Nor is it really a correct idea. We are not a bourgeois state, content to trade and compete with each other for profit. We are the VSVR. We are revolutionary - or at least we were. Where has the zeal gone, comrades? The fervour of '48. Of the 50's and 60's? We should not be happy to live with capitalism. We should strive to annihilate it!

Also, you are not "bound by the views of mortal men"? Are you bound by the ideals of immortals, then? Now who is sounding religious?
 
Konnigratz said:
Peace is not a new idea for any faction. Nor is it really a correct idea. We are not a bourgeois state, content to trade and compete with each other for profit. We are the VSVR. We are revolutionary - or at least we were. Where has the zeal gone, comrades? The fervour of '48. Of the 50's and 60's? We should not be happy to live with capitalism. We should strive to annihilate it!
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So you say we should live in a state that wages constant warfare, in order to keep the populace occupied and oppressed? Why does that sound familiar....

Konnigratz;12007681Also said:
It's pretty obvious he's referring to the writers of the constitution we propose, not a higher deity.
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Phalanxia said:
So you say we should live in a state that wages constant warfare, in order to keep the populace occupied and oppressed? Why does that sound familiar....


It's pretty obvious he's referring to the writers of the constitution we propose, not a higher deity.
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No, I do not say we should constantly war, oppress our people and keep them ignorant. Why do you fools think war is a tool of oppression? The most startling successes in the history of the VSVR have been achieved through war. The liberation of Germany, of Belgium, of Poland, of Bohemia-Moravia. The Great Liberation War. What has peace gained us? Krakow? Our people are free, wealthy and content because of war. Now we have the upper hand, and cannot rest until the diseased, bloated mass that is capitalism is dead. For now, war is not an option. Britain is too strong. China is too strong. But in two years, they may not be. And I doubt an Anarchist chairman, so petrified are they of war, of advancing the revolution, would have the courage to act upon the weakness of capitalism.

And Enewald's "mortal men" comment was clearly not referring to the constitution. It was made in the context of a rant about Marxist policy being named after two dead men. Whereas he seems to be under the impression that Anarchism is some omnipresent force that is "worshipped" by men, rather than an ideology like Marxist-Leninism which is theorised by mortal men.

(( The war should definitely be referred to as the Great Liberation War, by the way. :D ))
 
BTW:

DAs: 29, M-Ls: 28

:eek:
 
Konnigratz said:
And Enewald's "mortal men" comment was clearly not referring to the constitution. It was made in the context of a rant about Marxist policy being named after two dead men. Whereas he seems to be under the impression that Anarchism is some omnipresent force that is "worshipped" by men, rather than an ideology like Marxist-Leninism which is theorised by mortal men.
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Ah, I believe I see the misunderstanding.

If I may add my personal interpretation of Enewald's words, I believed he referred to the way in which Marxist-Leninism appears to hold the theories of two specific persons as supremely important, whereas other ideologies can be seen as the collective efforts of a larger group of thinkers, and as such, a more thought-out and representative ideology. Whether one agrees with this is, naturally, a decision that should be left to the individual, but clearing up misunderstandings is always important.
 
Can I put an extra vote for the party of Raymond Luxury Yacht (Pronounced as "Throatwobbler Mangrove")?
 
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