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10-06-2003, 08:30
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Italian leaders
Hi,
this thread is addressed for those fans that playing with one italian state. In fact the file of leader of Paradox version is not much precise. Whoever wish a version of exact historical reconstruction can it download Is the file of Venice leaders : http://digilander.libero.it/EuropaUn...ni/leaders.ven to save the zip file to empty folder and backup one copy in the folder x:\europa universalis 2\db\leaders Now you have a large number of venice leaders with the date and martial ability correct. For Genova-Mantova-Milano-Napoli-Stato Pontificio-Modena-Siena-Toscana the files are ready and avaible. Bibliography from "Capitani di ventura" by Rendina The author is Naghornokarabah founder of our italian site italian site Arrivederci !
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10-06-2003, 08:38
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Looks interesting - where can I download the rest of the Italian leaders from?
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10-06-2003, 09:00
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hmm...very very interesting
compliments  i'll try now
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10-06-2003, 13:47
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for pgroves
to follow the instructions =
1 - site 2 - to go "Documenti" 3 - to go "Nuovi generali per gli stati italiani" 3 - to copy the states. (file .zip) If you read and understand the italian language to go "Forum". Is our site  My satisfaction is to write in english language and ...... you understand me  Bye
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10-06-2003, 19:39
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Re: for pgroves
Impressive... very impressive. Congratulations to Naghornokarabah and all of you, guys!
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10-06-2003, 19:50
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Hmm...very interesting...will check it out for sure...
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10-06-2003, 23:40
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Hmm, very interesting.
I have always believed there should be more leaders (and events) for the birthplace of the Renaissance - Italia. Will certainly have a good shuftie at this (nice site, by the way Even tho I dont know any Italian, I kinda understood some of it )Yours A.
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11-06-2003, 14:43
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Good work, boys !
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18-06-2003, 16:31
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i've tried them
AN EXCELLENT WORK!!!
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19-06-2003, 09:06
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to be honest.. i was quite shocked that the Genoese Leader file has exactly one more leader then the EEP.. a leader for 5 years or something
 still a good work that those files are composed (i'm guessing the other files have more additions)
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20-06-2003, 22:33
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This is a very interesting project. And nice for those who like to play Italian countries. However, I had a couple of comments:
MA Sforza (in the PAP file), 3/3/3/1 1419-1424 is the same person as Attendolo (in the NAP file) 3/4/3/1 1419-1431. (That's what the A stands for.) I don't think he should be a leader for both simultanously, although I concede that there are more than a few Paradox leaders who do already (the SAV leader file being a notorious example). Florence has Vittelli 4/1/2/0, 1490-1499, P Vitelli 4/1/4/1, 1496 and 1497-1499 when he was executed, and V.zzo Vitelli 3/2/2/1 1498-1499 when Paolo was executed. I have no idea who the first Vitelli is, but I think he's redundant. This is very good stuff, and I'm enjoying digging through it!
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21-06-2003, 23:02
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You have reason on first Vittelli, because is the same man of original leaders Paradox and is a mistake to leave him in the file. Muzio Attendolo Sforza and Micheletto Attendolo are cousin and are born to Cotignola. M.A.Sforza is count of Serracapriola and baron of Torremaggiore M.Attendolo is count of Cotignola I hope that you undestand my english !!
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21-06-2003, 23:20
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Genoese leaders
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I have take the news on the leaders from = "I Capitani di Ventura" of Claudio Rendina Newton Compton Editori - Roma - 1985 Sorry !!
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23-06-2003, 22:43
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Thanks for the explanation on Attendolo, I certainly wasn't aware of that.
I don't think that Rendina's book is available in English. So I was hoping you wouldn't mind further questions. In particular, I believe that Nicolo Pitigliano (VEN, 1500-1510, 1/1/1/2) and N. Orsini (VEN, 1495-1510, 3/3/4/1) are the same person. Certainly the Nicolo Pitigliano who led the Venetian army that opposed the League of Cambrai was a member of the Orsini family, and served at the same time as a cousin. And this sounds like another Paradox leader left in the file. Your English is excellent!
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27-06-2003, 17:28
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I am very happy that you know the italian history. Now I explain you like the "italian leader" file is worded. The author has simply added a some number of general truly existed to file Paradox. This operation has caused the mistake that you have detected. The general of Paradox file not was replaced or erased because I am afraid to cause the crash of program. Now in the file of Venice, the new generals has the id 9xxxx and so the Colleoni 1426/1442 file Paradox is the same person of B. Colleoni 1448/1451 (Bartolomeo Colleoni 1395/1475) and N. Pitigliano is the same person of N. Orsini (Nicolò Orsini count of Pitigliano - 1442/1510 - named the Pitigliano) Thanks for your hints !!
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27-06-2003, 18:33
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Don't worry about crashing the program. None of these leaders are referenced in events so they can be removed with no risk. I figured as much about Colleoni, but in that case it makes sense.
Thanks for the response!
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28-08-2003, 10:38
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*bump*
Any progress?
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Especially for feedback and bugs...
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03-09-2003, 14:26
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Well here are some of my ideas
Leutrum -Savoy. Led Sardinian wing of the allied army in the victory of Camposanto in 1743. Sucessfult defended Cuneo in 1744 which meant that the French wasted the entire capaign. Charles Emmanuel's right hand man Damas- Naples. Defeated Kellerman in retreat from Rome in 1798. Held out in Calabria in 1805 after French invasion Fra Diavolo for Naples? After all he (with Cardinal Ruffo) drove the French out of Naples, and the sauce is great! Castropignano- led Neapolitan army in War of Austrian Sucession. No great distinction Carlo VII- Naples - took Naples from Traun in 1735 (little opposition). Martinego- Savoy was sent by Charles Emmanuel II to intervene in French Wars of Religion where he played an important role, but still as Savoyan general. Parella - Savoy: Pretty sure he was Victor Amadeus III right hand man. Served against the Vaudois, and was usually leading any Savoyard force detached from the Royal army in the wars against France. In general I don't like having guys like Serbelloni and Piccolomini (who are Italians who served other countries) or like De Gages (who was basically serving Spain though leading some Italian troops) in the game. WHich means that there wouldn't be too many leaders for anyone other than Naples Venice and Savoy-Piedmont-Sardinia after 1600, as they were the only really important states militarily. But that's just my opinion. And of course I don't think Savoy should get Prince Eugene.
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