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The war is barley over and already the politicians are fighting over who won and did the best job. Shall be interesting to see what the British electorate thinks about all this, but I feel fairly confident that the Coalition will win. But how long they will remain a coalition is a very different question. Also Ireland looks like a real trouble area so something needs to be done, either sending in the army to crush the Irish once and for all or else you might be forced to give them their independence…
Looking forward to see what will happen next Allenby
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As long as H.H. Asquith doesn't win, things are good.
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Perhaps the bigger issue will be how well the components of the Coalition gell. An ideal scenario for many Lloyd Georgians and Unionists would be for a centrist merger under a internationally-renowened, popular leader (Lloyd George). Such a party would possess such credit as to render political opponents, particularly on the collectivist left, severely weakened. Quote:
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Well, an interesting post and I don't interpret it as negative. However, I would plead that I have attempted to chart an alternate course of history which I do not regard as too far-fetched.I think it would be fair to say that (historically) even after 1916, the rise of Sinn Féin and the decimation of the IPP, although highly likely, was not inevitable. It takes a very brave historian to assert that anything, especially in the circumstances of war, is an inevitability. I would argue that I have given myself more scope for alternate developments in Ireland by the absense of the principal events which allowed Sinn Féin to attract the mass support it had previously lacked - the brutal response of the military in Easter 1916, the conscription crisis of 1918, the death of Thomas Ashe (I didn't mention Richard Coleman). Combined with the ability of the IPP to win legislative autonomy (and I believe I did not exactly mention what this Board could legislate over), I think there are grounds for an alternate timeline in which the IPP is still an electoral force in 1918. No doubt Dillon et al were old and pretty hacked out, but they had historically gone through a rollercoaster in comparison to what I have (briefly) described here. In these circumstances, I would not be certain that de Valera could carry the country through dynamism alone. Of course, the election results are yet to be revealed. And remember, it is only 1918! Ireland is far from settled yet! Quote:
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Just caught up on things and nice to see the quality and depth hasn't dipped one jot.
On a tangent note that pic of Austen is rather dashing. Neville go hang, I want a charismatic Chamberlain as PM!
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CXIX – Lloyd George’s Mandate
The Coalition achieved a landslide victory on 12th June. Lloyd George returned to 10 Downing Street with a huge majority of 321. Even this figure was deceptively small, for 23 successful Unionists who did not receive the official backing of Lloyd George and Bonar Law were inclined to support the Coalition. The fact that the Unionists won 380 seats illustrated that the British national mood had become increasingly conservative and that Lloyd George had been wise to continue his partnership with them to sustain his premiership.
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The inclusion of Jan Smuts in the War Cabinet, who did not serve as a member of either house of parliament, had always been a constitutional anomaly. Smuts submitted his resignation from the government but remained in London, having been told by the Prime Minister that his services would be of use at the peace conference. Sir Edward Carson was offered the Lord Chancellorship by Lloyd George, but wishing to speak for Ulster Unionism and to guarantee that Ulster would remain outside any Home Rule settlement, he refused the offer, reasoning that the office would bind him. Consequently, Carson left the War Cabinet and was replaced by Sir Eric Geddes, who had directed the blockade of Germany with energy and had fought the general election with fervour. The workaholic Lord Curzon retained his powerful position within government, serving as both Foreign Secretary and Leader of the House of Lords. Sir Mark Sykes was appointed his Under Secretary at the Foreign Office. As a consequence of his deteriorating health and the bereavement caused by the loss of his two eldest sons in the war, the Unionist leader Andrew Bonar Law lessened his workload, remaining in the War Cabinet as Leader of the House of Commons but relinquishing the Chancellorship of the Exchequer. Subsequently, Lloyd George broached Edwin Montagu as his successor at the Treasury, a nomination which was vetoed by Bonar Law and Curzon, who wanted this crucial post reserved for a fellow Unionist. The Prime Minister turned to the successful First Lord of the Admiralty, Austen Chamberlain, who reluctantly accepted after days of procrastination. Reviewing the daunting challenge of post-war financial management, Chamberlain wrote unenthusiastically to Lloyd George that ‘the Chancellor of the Exchequer has all the odium of raising the money. His colleagues have all the pleasure and kudos of spending it.’ In other changes, Lord Milner was sent to the Colonial Office to replace Walter Long, a move calculated to utilise Milner’s imperialist ardour. The war hero Winston Churchill added the War portfolio to his existing responsibilities at the Air Department. The Attorney-General, the charismatic Sir F.E. Smith, was appointed to replace Chamberlain at the Admiralty. Christopher Addison, the staunch Lloyd Georgian, was sent to the Local Government Board with a brief to reform health and housing policy. Andrew Weir, a successful ship-owner serving as Surveyor General of Supplies was sent to the upper chamber as Lord Inverforth and given the Munitions portfolio with the responsibility of winding down Britain’s war production and disposing of waste material. In order to bring a semblance of balance to his Unionist-heavy government, Lloyd George appointed the son of Rosebery, the Liberal MP Lord Dalmeny to the minor position of Postmaster-General. Meanwhile, Ian Macpherson remained at the Home Office, Lord Finlay retained his position on the woolsack, H.A.L. Fisher continued his preparations for reform of schooling at the Board of Education and Lord Selborne remained at the India Office in order to deal with demands for political reform within the Raj. ![]() David Lloyd George returned to 10 Downing Street with a new mandate The first duty of the new government was to prepare for the assembly of the Imperial War Cabinet, which reconvened in late-June 1918 for the first time since 1917. The Dominion Prime Ministers journeyed back to London to attend, aiming to exert their influence on British imperial policy. Sir Robert Borden of Canada, Billy Hughes of Australia, General Louis Botha of South Africa and William Massey of New Zealand represented countries which had given a contribution to the British war effort out of proportion to their respective manpower and resources. With the exception of South Africa, the experience of war had encouraged both nationalist and imperialist sentiment in equal measure among the populations of the Dominions and their leaders attended the Imperial War Cabinet with heightened expectations. Consideration was first given to the report published by the recently ennobled Lord Lee, the Unionist Lord President of the Council tasked by Lloyd George in 1917 to study the concept of consultation between Britain and the Dominions on the subject of British foreign policy and inter-imperial relations. Before Lee and his committee investigated, the Dominion Prime Ministers restated their insistence that imperial federation was out of the question. Although Lee had never regarded this aspiration as practical politics, the Dominion representatives on the committee guaranteed that a federation scheme was ruled out from the beginning. When complete, the Lee Report recommended the appointment of resident ministers to represent the Dominions in London and the establishment of a ‘permanent body’ in which Britain, India and the Dominions, though the resident ministers, would be equally represented. The Imperial War Cabinet accepted the notion of resident ministers without objection. The Dominions Prime Ministers conceived of them as serving two simultaneous functions: to strengthen their standings as independent nations by providing the same representation in London as European powers whilst reinforcing the bonds between the Dominions and the mother country. Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Newfoundland and South Africa would be afforded representation by ministers, who would convene with the Colonial Secretary and the India Secretary ‘from time to time’ to discuss inter-imperial affairs with the ‘occasional’ attendance of the Foreign Secretary to receive their opinions on subjects of collective concern. The Imperial War Cabinet had harnessed the mood of imperial solidarity in the wake of victory in Europe to give sanction to a forum for policy discussion and coordination. Yet disagreement over the other principal item on the Imperial War Cabinet’s agenda threatened disharmony. In discussing the appropriate strategy for the British Empire in negotiation peace terms with Germany, Lloyd George and the Dominion Prime Ministers were temporarily at odds. Having consulted the Dominions before negotiating the armistice with Germany, Lloyd George had set a precedent. Borden and Hughes in particular were therefore insulted when Lloyd George suggested that the British delegation to the peace conference might include a token representative of all the Dominions. Borden hotly disputed this proposal, pointing out that he had as much right to speak for the views of Australia as Hughes had to represent Canada. Having agreed to grant each Dominion individual ministers in London, it was impossible to with any credit argue that they should be represented collectively in negotiating an end to a war to which they had contributed so much. The Dominions possessed ambitions of their own: Australia and New Zealand gazed eagerly at the German Pacific whilst Smuts and Botha sought African territory for their country. They stood firm on the subject, suspicious that Britain would forsake the interests of the Dominions if necessity arose without their direct representation. Lloyd George came round to the view of Borden and Hughes, realising the benefit that Britain could accrue from accompaniment to the peace conference numerous Dominion delegates. Consequently, the Imperial War Cabinet resolved that the Dominions would be represented as individual nations. The Lloyd George Coalition had won a resounding mandate to institute domestic reforms and reconstruct the order of Europe. Since the general election, Lord Curzon had prepared to participate in the first act of the latter endeavour. On 24th June, as the Prime Minister and his Dominion counterparts remodelled the empire, the Foreign Secretary was cheered keenly by a crowd at Charing Cross station. Curzon boarded a train bound for Dover, his ultimate destination, the south of France. War Cabinet Prime Minister: David Lloyd George (Lib) Leader of the House of Commons: Andrew Bonar Law (U) Foreign Secretary and Leader of the House of Lords: Earl Curzon of Kedleston (U) Lord Privy Seal: Arthur Balfour (U) Minister without Portfolio: George Barnes (NDP) Minister without Portfolio: Sir Eric Geddes (U) Chancellor of the Exchequer: Austen Chamberlain (U) Home Secretary: Ian Macpherson (Lib) Lord Chancellor: Viscount Finlay of Nairn (U) Secretary of State for War and Air: Winston Churchill (Lib) Secretary of State for the Colonies: Viscount Milner (U) Secretary of State for India: Earl of Selborne (U) First Lord of the Admiralty: Sir F.E. Smith (U) President of the Board of Trade: Sir Albert Stanley (Lib) Secretary of State for Scotland: Robert Munro (Lib) Chief Secretary for Ireland: Edwin Montagu (Lib) Lord President of the Council: Baron Lee of Fareham (U) President of the Local Government Board: Christopher Addison (Lib) President of the Board of Agriculture and Fisheries: R.E. Prothero (U) President of the Board of Education: H.A.L. Fisher (Lib) Minister of Munitions: Baron Inverforth (U) Minister of Labour: Sir Robert Horne (U) Postmaster-General: Lord Dalmeny (Lib) Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster: Edward Shortt (Lib) Last edited by Allenby; 04-11-2007 at 10:23. |
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Coalition Liberal 132 Coalition Unionist 356 Coalition Labour 4 Coalition NDP 9 Coalition Independent 1 Liberal 46 Unionist 23 Labour 42 Labour Unionist 3 Irish Parliamentary Party 58 Sinn Féin 22 National Party 2 Independent Liberal 1 Independent Unionist 1 Independent Labour 2 Co-operative 1 National Socialist 1 Independent 3 ![]() Two seat constituencies: Blackburn, Bolton, Brighton, Cambridge University, City of London, Combined English Universities, Cork City, Derby, Dublin University, Dundee, Norwich, Oldham, Preston, Southampton, Stockport, Sunderland Three seat constituency: Combined Scottish Universities Coalition Liberal Aberavon Aberdeen and Kincardine East Argyllshire Banbury Banff Barnsley Batley and Morley Battersea North Bedford Berwick and Haddington Bethnal Green North-East Blackburn Blaydon Bolton Bosworth Brecon and Radnor Bristol East Bristol North Bristol South Broxtowe Buckrose Caithness and Sutherland Camberwell North-West Cambridgeshire Cardiganshire Carlisle 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Very interesting result.
![]() Arthur Griffith, W. T. Cosgrave and Kevin O'Higgins failed to get their seats. So much for the moderate wing of Sinn Féin.Hmm, that will make my hopes for a cross party move for Dominion status pretty difficult. I wonder will Dillon fall on his sword and resign as party leader? He did much better than in otl, but he has also just presided over the worst election result for the IPP ever. Were I an IPP backbencher I'd be unhappy. Lloyd George really has no party loyalty at all does he?
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The IPP may have had their worst every result (don't honestly know) but they still won. Moreover they won with a 36 seat majority and have 70% of the seats, if you'd offered that to the IPP in 1917 they would have torn your arm of in desperation to grab it! No matter how high your standards that's still a substantial victory and I don't think Dillon will be going anywhere.
More interestingly I see Austen gets the treasury, presumably in better nick having been saved several months of war, hopefully he can show the same administrative touch as his father. I am concerned about Winston getting the War Office, I'm not sure he's the ideal man to oversea running the army down to peacetime levels. Having said that he will probably ensure certain (Tanks!) ideas aren't lost, neglected or abandoned. Excellent to see Albert Stanley at Board of Trade, the man who oversaw the golden age of the (then private) London Underground never got his due credit. His talents should have been better harnessed by the nation, sorting out the railways post war perhaps? But best of all, possibly the thing I am most looking forward to, is Curzon at the peace conference. The arch-Imperialist overseeing the carving up of Europe and beyond, dispensing land and dividing peoples with the wave of a hand while carving out his own private Empire somewhere in the Middle East. I can barely wait!
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The previous worst result for the IPP was in January 1910 when they won 71 seats because of a split within the Irish Nationalist vote that saw 10 Irish MPs leave the party. Usually they won about 82-85 seats. I dunno... I suppose it depends on how you look at it: either Dillon saved the party from the jaws of defeat or bungled the concessions won from Lloyd George. We might be impressed at his survival, to his contemporaries it might look a bit different. Either way fascinating stuff Allenby.
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A truely fascinating update.
It will be interesting to see how the post war problems are delt with. And let Billy Hughes muscle Lloyd George about over concessions in the Pacific!
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I too am quite interested in how events in Ireland will fare. Not to mention over the peace table.
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A very nice update Allenby.
Good to see the war coalition is returned to Whitehall for a new period leading Britain victoriously into the new decade. I sense that with Churchill in the war office we shall soon see the armies take a more aggressive stance and that Winston will want to use it for what it should be doing, defeating the evil communists in Russia.
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We want an Update! And an Irish Dominion!
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: plymouth, devon
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another stunning set of updates with such depth!
Russia sounds a scary prospect however, would the british nation (not to mention the commonwealth) be prepared to send their loved ones abroad again? |
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Tyneside
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Don't see why not being as the first round was such a walkover
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Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: England
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Excellent result, I wonder what will happen with the Treasury, can The Empire avoid going deeper into debt?
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Pantomacatalasecesionanis ta
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Update, sir?
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