The Great Rome Thread

Molleby · 25-09-2004, 10:26

Current Version; RU 1.0.0 - get it here

Also, follow the first AAR based on this mod: Alhazen's Rome: Sons of Mars

There has been an increasing interest in and wish to help with this scenario. Therefore I thought I'd organize it a little and make one of those threads where everybody can easily add their contributions... if they have any, of course

A little info on the scenario:
It starts in 218 BC and Rome and Carthage are already at war with each other. Because of the time-trouble (no BC years), we will try with a start in 535 afR. (after the foundation of Rome) + 1000, so, 1535.
Hannibals army is marching towards northern Italy, where the Romans are trying to mount some resistance to his invasion. Of course, this beginning army is quite large when it leaves Spain and is significantly reduced when it reaches Italy. Rome enjoys almost total supremacy at sea, so there probably won't be a good alternative to the land route of Hannibal. He, of course, is a stunning leader, which I hope will reflect itself on the battlefield. Rome's are more mediocre in the beginning. Rome is allied to Syracuse, Massilia and Venetii (there are probably others too) Carthage is allied to various Celtic tribes.
Also, there is war in Greece between various states and leagues, and the Seleucid are at war with Ptolemaic Egypt.
This... is our opening of the scenario.

Ok, so far we have these things more or less handled:

Country names and locations, city names and so on.(Gaul might need a little re-tweaking later on, but for now northern Gaul is outside the timeframe of the first step of the scenario, so we'll wait with that)

Monarchs are done for the major powers and non-Celtic mid-powers.
(If anyone have any kingslist or similar for the tribal nations, that would be cool

)

Roman unit sprites: Early Republican, Late Republican and Imperial types. Also, hoplites and celtic warriors.
(However, I'd like some variation in the hoplite sprites and an unique Carthaginian sprite, so if anybody out there can do these things, that would be super! Also, more diverse barbarian sprites, since we use the Celtic swordsman for every tribe. In addition, we have a galley sprite, but without the sinking animation)

I've placed various resources where my little German history atlas has claimed they were. Also, resources have been edited. We have stuff like tin, papyrus, dates, timber and so on.

Some things are being re-written. Instead of being a vassal, a country is now a "Client State", and instead of royal marriages we have "state friendship".

We are looking into the possibility of converting the religion-aspect into a more "Civilization"-tool. Meaning, the Romans can "convert" barbarian provinces to "civilized" province. A crude form of "Romanization". (This has now been included)

I've messed around with the AI, but I'm not sure how well it works in the long run. This is basically done for the majors.

What we need:

Research! And lots of it!

As mentioned, more sprites.

Events! And plenty of them!

AI tweaking for the minor nations, according to their specific locations and situations.

Figuring out the strength of the non-Punic War nations. Size of armies, economy and such.

Editing the terrain here and there. Germany will need more forests, swamps etc. Gaul might not look like what it does in the ordinary EU2 scenarios.

Flags and shields (being done excellently by Birger) but he needs help with the research. I'll post a list of important countries later on.

These shields are still missing:
Iberia
Lusitani
Artabri
Belli
Arstures
Cantabri
Arevaci
Ilergetes
Vascones
Iacetani

Gaul
Sordones
Vocates
Nitiobroges
Lemovices
Vellavi
Vocontii
Allobroges
Graioceli
Insubres
Liguria
Cenomani
Ambarri
Turones
Andes
Coriosolites
Osimii
Asuvii
Tricasses
Triboci
Nervii
Eurbornes
... more to come...

Birger · 25-09-2004, 11:30

And shields... I could sure need some help with the research.

Do you think you could post all of them here?

tombom · 25-09-2004, 11:35

I'll be able to do some events. And you can always upload the current scenario to show other people what it looks like.

Molleby · 25-09-2004, 11:41

Birger:
I'll make a list later today and post it here.

Tombom:
I'd like you to look into Ptolemaic Egypt if you can. Major and minor events up to around 80 BC, special things we need to look into, relations and so on. And yes, I'll try and upload the scenario later. However, it seems like there is a 2 mb limit in the upload forum, so I'll need to look into that.

tombom · 25-09-2004, 12:57

Any good should allow you to split up the zip into lots of separate files which you can then upload. And I'll look for a bit into egypt.

How big is the zip?

Birger · 25-09-2004, 13:15

I can't find anything on Media and Trabzont, got any other names for those?

Molleby · 25-09-2004, 13:50

Tombom: I think the file is around 5 MB.

Birger: Sorry, don't have alternatives

tombom · 25-09-2004, 15:27

Isn't Trabzon the same as Trabzont? Just based on their names.

And what zipping program do you currently use?

Molleby · 25-09-2004, 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by tombom

Isn't Trabzon the same as Trabzont? Just based on their names.

And what zipping program do you currently use?

Hehe, I guess that would be winzip. But we'll wait until Birger has done most basic graphics changes.

Molleby · 26-09-2004, 13:27

Ok, a couple of things when I make a scenario zip-file...

I only need to include the files that I have altered, right? And just make sure that they are in the right folders?

tombom · 26-09-2004, 14:33

Yes. Just the files you've altered. And make sure you include the moddir.

Molleby · 26-09-2004, 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by tombom

Yes. Just the files you've altered. And make sure you include the moddir.

Moddir? Haven't used that

Wilhelm VI · 26-09-2004, 15:54

Molleby what about a few screenshots of Europe ?

Molleby · 26-09-2004, 17:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilhelm VI

Molleby what about a few screenshots of Europe ?

Your wish is my command:

Edit: colours will be edited and some provinces will probably be changed, but essentially this is how it's gonna look.

Molleby · 26-09-2004, 17:52

Uploaded what I have put together so far. The recent contribution from different people have not been implemented yet.

Get the stuff here

tombom · 26-09-2004, 18:11

No moddir? Sad

Looks interesting though. Downloading.

Wilhelm VI · 26-09-2004, 18:29

I actualy like it that you dint include the Germanic tribes,the Romans thought they werent an country and I think the same.

Wilhelm VI · 26-09-2004, 18:30

BTW you need no time limit patch ?

Birger · 26-09-2004, 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by tombom

No moddir? Sad

Looks interesting though. Downloading.

Isn't a moddir a must have if we're gonna use new interface graphics?

HÄI · 26-09-2004, 18:39

A moddir. Must have. Jesus

25-09-2004, 10:26	#1
Molleby Deliciously Danish Join Date: May 2002 Location: Epicurean Boot Camp Posts: 494	The Great Rome Thread Current Version; RU 1.0.0 - get it here Also, follow the first AAR based on this mod: Alhazen's Rome: Sons of Mars There has been an increasing interest in and wish to help with this scenario. Therefore I thought I'd organize it a little and make one of those threads where everybody can easily add their contributions... if they have any, of course A little info on the scenario: It starts in 218 BC and Rome and Carthage are already at war with each other. Because of the time-trouble (no BC years), we will try with a start in 535 afR. (after the foundation of Rome) + 1000, so, 1535. Hannibals army is marching towards northern Italy, where the Romans are trying to mount some resistance to his invasion. Of course, this beginning army is quite large when it leaves Spain and is significantly reduced when it reaches Italy. Rome enjoys almost total supremacy at sea, so there probably won't be a good alternative to the land route of Hannibal. He, of course, is a stunning leader, which I hope will reflect itself on the battlefield. Rome's are more mediocre in the beginning. Rome is allied to Syracuse, Massilia and Venetii (there are probably others too) Carthage is allied to various Celtic tribes. Also, there is war in Greece between various states and leagues, and the Seleucid are at war with Ptolemaic Egypt. This... is our opening of the scenario. Ok, so far we have these things more or less handled: Country names and locations, city names and so on.(Gaul might need a little re-tweaking later on, but for now northern Gaul is outside the timeframe of the first step of the scenario, so we'll wait with that) Monarchs are done for the major powers and non-Celtic mid-powers. (If anyone have any kingslist or similar for the tribal nations, that would be cool ) Roman unit sprites: Early Republican, Late Republican and Imperial types. Also, hoplites and celtic warriors. (However, I'd like some variation in the hoplite sprites and an unique Carthaginian sprite, so if anybody out there can do these things, that would be super! Also, more diverse barbarian sprites, since we use the Celtic swordsman for every tribe. In addition, we have a galley sprite, but without the sinking animation) I've placed various resources where my little German history atlas has claimed they were. Also, resources have been edited. We have stuff like tin, papyrus, dates, timber and so on. Some things are being re-written. Instead of being a vassal, a country is now a "Client State", and instead of royal marriages we have "state friendship". We are looking into the possibility of converting the religion-aspect into a more "Civilization"-tool. Meaning, the Romans can "convert" barbarian provinces to "civilized" province. A crude form of "Romanization". (This has now been included) I've messed around with the AI, but I'm not sure how well it works in the long run. This is basically done for the majors. What we need: Research! And lots of it! As mentioned, more sprites. Events! And plenty of them! AI tweaking for the minor nations, according to their specific locations and situations. Figuring out the strength of the non-Punic War nations. Size of armies, economy and such. Editing the terrain here and there. Germany will need more forests, swamps etc. Gaul might not look like what it does in the ordinary EU2 scenarios. Flags and shields (being done excellently by Birger) but he needs help with the research. I'll post a list of important countries later on. These shields are still missing: Iberia Lusitani Artabri Belli Arstures Cantabri Arevaci Ilergetes Vascones Iacetani Gaul Sordones Vocates Nitiobroges Lemovices Vellavi Vocontii Allobroges Graioceli Insubres Liguria Cenomani Ambarri Turones Andes Coriosolites Osimii Asuvii Tricasses Triboci Nervii Eurbornes ... more to come... __________________ Current project: Ancient Greek Mod for EUIII Step 1: Making the map + Map graphics Check out the Roma Universalis Mod ... and follow the first AAR based on the RU mod: Alhazen's Rome: Sons of Mars Only the sausage-maker's son knows how to honour me Last edited by Molleby; 25-10-2005 at 18:59.

25-09-2004, 11:30	#2
Birger Desdichado Official Court Artist Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Drifting away... Posts: 3,836	And shields... I could sure need some help with the research. Do you think you could post all of them here? __________________ For the Glory: A Europa Universalis Game Go to the FTG forum Sweden is the world's strongest country. For some 250 years it has worked on it's doom, without success! - Frederick the Great

25-09-2004, 11:35	#3
tombom CAPTAIN WILDCHILD Join Date: May 2004 Location: England Posts: 1,705	I'll be able to do some events. And you can always upload the current scenario to show other people what it looks like. __________________ "Losers " -Kaigon

25-09-2004, 11:41	#4
Molleby Deliciously Danish Join Date: May 2002 Location: Epicurean Boot Camp Posts: 494	Birger: I'll make a list later today and post it here. Tombom: I'd like you to look into Ptolemaic Egypt if you can. Major and minor events up to around 80 BC, special things we need to look into, relations and so on. And yes, I'll try and upload the scenario later. However, it seems like there is a 2 mb limit in the upload forum, so I'll need to look into that. __________________ Current project: Ancient Greek Mod for EUIII Step 1: Making the map + Map graphics Check out the Roma Universalis Mod ... and follow the first AAR based on the RU mod: Alhazen's Rome: Sons of Mars Only the sausage-maker's son knows how to honour me

25-09-2004, 12:57	#5
tombom CAPTAIN WILDCHILD Join Date: May 2004 Location: England Posts: 1,705	Any good should allow you to split up the zip into lots of separate files which you can then upload. And I'll look for a bit into egypt. How big is the zip? Last edited by tombom; 25-09-2004 at 13:10.

25-09-2004, 13:15	#6
Birger Desdichado Official Court Artist Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Drifting away... Posts: 3,836	I can't find anything on Media and Trabzont, got any other names for those? __________________ For the Glory: A Europa Universalis Game Go to the FTG forum Sweden is the world's strongest country. For some 250 years it has worked on it's doom, without success! - Frederick the Great

25-09-2004, 13:50	#7
Molleby Deliciously Danish Join Date: May 2002 Location: Epicurean Boot Camp Posts: 494	Tombom: I think the file is around 5 MB. Birger: Sorry, don't have alternatives __________________ Current project: Ancient Greek Mod for EUIII Step 1: Making the map + Map graphics Check out the Roma Universalis Mod ... and follow the first AAR based on the RU mod: Alhazen's Rome: Sons of Mars Only the sausage-maker's son knows how to honour me

25-09-2004, 15:27	#8
tombom CAPTAIN WILDCHILD Join Date: May 2004 Location: England Posts: 1,705	Isn't Trabzon the same as Trabzont? Just based on their names. And what zipping program do you currently use? __________________ "Losers " -Kaigon

26-09-2004, 13:27	#10
Molleby Deliciously Danish Join Date: May 2002 Location: Epicurean Boot Camp Posts: 494	Ok, a couple of things when I make a scenario zip-file... I only need to include the files that I have altered, right? And just make sure that they are in the right folders? __________________ Current project: Ancient Greek Mod for EUIII Step 1: Making the map + Map graphics Check out the Roma Universalis Mod ... and follow the first AAR based on the RU mod: Alhazen's Rome: Sons of Mars Only the sausage-maker's son knows how to honour me

26-09-2004, 14:33	#11
tombom CAPTAIN WILDCHILD Join Date: May 2004 Location: England Posts: 1,705	Yes. Just the files you've altered. And make sure you include the moddir. __________________ "Losers " -Kaigon

26-09-2004, 15:54	#13
Wilhelm VI Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Somewhere on earth....... Posts: 995	Molleby what about a few screenshots of Europe ?

26-09-2004, 17:52	#15
Molleby Deliciously Danish Join Date: May 2002 Location: Epicurean Boot Camp Posts: 494	Uploaded what I have put together so far. The recent contribution from different people have not been implemented yet. Get the stuff here __________________ Current project: Ancient Greek Mod for EUIII Step 1: Making the map + Map graphics Check out the Roma Universalis Mod ... and follow the first AAR based on the RU mod: Alhazen's Rome: Sons of Mars Only the sausage-maker's son knows how to honour me

26-09-2004, 18:11	#16
tombom CAPTAIN WILDCHILD Join Date: May 2004 Location: England Posts: 1,705	No moddir? Sad Looks interesting though. Downloading. __________________ "Losers " -Kaigon

26-09-2004, 18:29	#17
Wilhelm VI Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Somewhere on earth....... Posts: 995	I actualy like it that you dint include the Germanic tribes,the Romans thought they werent an country and I think the same.

26-09-2004, 18:30	#18
Wilhelm VI Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Somewhere on earth....... Posts: 995	BTW you need no time limit patch ?

26-09-2004, 18:39	#20
HÄI Banned Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leading the scroched ones Posts: 9	A moddir. Must have. Jesus