The German Reich and the Second World War

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enigmamcmxc said:

I built a bunch of transporters at some point in preparation for Sealion, and during the mid-war years I built a bunch of subs. Other than that, I built nothing nor have I researched anything since the beginning of the game. Afterall, I needed to the IC to build the troops to fight the war on the Eastern Front and to reinforce my heavy casualties.

Naval engineering is 1.5, destroyer practical 1.1., cruiser practical 2.3, capital ship practical 1.5, carrier practical 0, transport practical 2.3, sub engineering 1.5, and sub practical is 12.7.

I do believe that means, I am screwed

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Yup, in Words taken from the Big Bang Theory, you are "attached to another object by an incline plane wrapped helically around an axis", i.e. screwed!

It would probably take you at least 2 years to build any kind of capital ship based navy, probably more like 2.5-3. But you might be able to build a bunch of cruisers. But with land-based air support you can at least take on the Royal Navy, maybe even within a year. *edit: actually, with basic training and building 2-3 battle cruisers and a bunch of battle ships, the moment the BCs finish your jump in Capital Ship practical would probably mean the BBs finish almost instantly. This should take 1.5 years.

Oh well, at least you won't *lose* the game at this point. I mean, it's hard for you to invade (attack) but the British attacking you is an impossibility - your army is way too strong. They'd be thrown into the sea instantly. Basically, time is on your side, and you will probably still win based on victory points.

Question: in retrospect, is there anything you would have done differently that you think would have affected things significantly? I mean, major strategic decisions.

 

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When I started the game, I was overly fascinated with creating enough garrison divisions to man the West Wall. This meant by the time I launched my campaign in the west, I had a shortage of infantry and I think this had a long term knock on effect as seen by my initial campaign in the USSR. I also attacked France with a chunk of my army sitting in Poland and I think I should have gone all out on France: I may have been able to win sooner and not incur the losses I did.

As for the USSR campaigns, I think following the failure of Barbarossa I should have thinned out my troops in France etc to man the northern part of my front and focused on the south. I think I may have seen more success had I done this. Although I had a lot of fun attempting to put the AI off balance and attack all over the place. The lengthy attacks in the marshes in the center, where in retrospect, a real bad idea!

 

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Treaty of Moscow

Treaty of Peace
Signed at Moscow
Between the
Axis Powers
And the
Soviet Union​

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For the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics: Lavrentiy Beria, acting head of the government, and Andrey Vyshinsky, People’s Commissariat for Foreign Affairs.
For the German Empire: Johann Schwerin von Krosigk, Imperial Minister for Foreign Affairs.
For the Kingdom of Hungary: László Bárdossy, Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs.
For the Slovak Republic: Vojtech Tuka, Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs.
For the French State: Arne Leroy, Minister of Foreign Affairs.
For the Italian Empire: Galeazzo Ciano, Minister of Foreign Affairs

The above-mentioned plenipotentiaries, having presented their full powers, which were found to be in due and proper form, have agreed upon the following points:-

Article I

Germany and her allies on one hand, and the USSR and her satellites on the other declare that the condition of war between them has ceased (including the naval war between Italy and the USSR). They have decided to live in peace and accord in the future.

Article II

The contracting parties will refrain from all agitation or propaganda against the governments or the public and military institutions of the other party.

Article III

The territories lying to the west of the line agreed upon (Running south from Archangel along the east bank of the Northern Dvina, south to the Volga river bulge east of Moscow, then south along the west bank of the Donets and Don river to Rostov. See Annex 1) by the contracting parties, which formerly belonged to the Soviet Union, will no longer be subject to Soviet sovereignty; the line agreed upon is traced on the map submitted as an essential part of this treaty of peace.

The USSR refrains from all interference in the internal relations of these territories. Germany intends to determine the future status of these territories in agreement with their population.

Article IV

The USSR will demobilize and vacate the territories lying west of the line mentioned in article III.

Article V

The USSR will, without delay, carry out the full demobilization of her army. To prevent future aggressive actions from the USSR, all airborne divisions are to be disbanded, all armor (17,680 tanks of all types) to the west of the line mentioned in article III will be abandoned and destroyed by the German military, and the vast majority of the military formations west of this line will be disarmed. The Soviet Red Army must not exceed 1.2 million men, including officers, and shall be devoted exclusively to the maintenance of order within Soviet territory and to control frontiers.

The Soviet fleet, based in Leningrad, will depart immediately for other Soviet ports with the exception of the three modern cruisers and three modern destroyers based there. The six ships mentioned are to be scuttled.

All Red Air Force air craft (1,440 single engine fighters, 720 heavy fighters, 1,760 light bombers, 1,440 medium bombers, 120 heavy bombers, 120 maritime patrol aircraft, and 80 transport planes) to the west of the line mentioned in article III will be destroyed where they stand.

Article VI

Iosef Stalin is to be deposed, and executed as a war criminal.

Article VII

The USSR will return all prisoners of war immediately. Germany will release the 2,638,110 Soviet prisoners currently held over the following ten years.

Article VIII

The USSR recognizes the independence of Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia. Germany guarantees the independence of these three states, and will not allow the USSR to undertake a repeat of the period 1918-1921

Article IX

Germany returns to Finland, the territory unlawfully annexed by the USSR during the Winter War.

Article X

The treaty shall come into force with immediate effect. In witness of the plenipotentiaries, signed in duplicate at Moscow this 1st day of July, 1945.

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Annex 1

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German National Newspaper, 8 July 1945

Sunday 8 July, 1945​

Victory on the Eastern Front!

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Today it can be revealed that on Sunday, 1 July, the fighting on the Eastern Front finally came to an end. The government kept the peace negotiations between the Reich and the Soviet Union, which started on 26 June, a secret in case they broke down and fighting resumed.

The 'Treaty of Moscow' has annexed large swathes of territory and liberated millions from the tyranny of the Soviets and ensured Germany or Europe will never again be threatened by the Bolshevik horde. Due to the unprovoked aggression of the war criminal Joseph Stalin, around three million communist serfs were killed within the Red Army fighting an unjust war. As part of the peace treaty, Stalin has been executed for launching a war of aggression and has been replaced by our pro-German friend Lavrentiy Beria.

A Muscovite crying for joy at her liberation near one of Moscow's parks.​

With the signing of the peace treaty, yesterday OKH organized a victory parade through Red Square to show the liberated Ivan’s their saviors. Military officials have confirmed the Muscovites cried with joy at the sight of our glorious soldiers parading through the city.

The military have not indicated, due to concerns of national security, what next steps may be taken. However, OKH has released the following declassified map. It shows the frontline, a week before the Bolshevik surrender. The military were planning a massive strike that would have surrounded and destroyed an estimated 200 Red Army divisions resulting in the unnecessary further loss of life by the Red Army, a force solely aiming to pursue the evils of international communism.

This map indicates the territorial changes made to Finland as a result of the 'Treaty of Moscow'.
The first map shows the pre-war borders of Finland, the second after they had been brutally assaulted by the Bolshevik horde and the third, her borders following the peace treaty.​

 

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Nice updates!

I like the whole formal Peace treaty. If I were to go into the alternate history path I'd say the humiliating dismantlement of the Soviet military and the huge annexation you did means they will want to attack you as soon as they can. Of course, it is those very things that make it impossible for them to do so. You have, after all, annexed a significant part of their pre-war economic & industrial might.

Anyway, nice job! I am kinda interested in playing the HPP mod now. I've played vanilla for far too long.

 

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well, whatever you had to give up to get the Axis working together (finally; who else misses milcon right now?) was more than worth it.

 

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Aar

I would like to make an AAR like this.
has emotion, fiction, has everything

I'm envious

LOL

Very Good AAR

 

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Hey all, uni studies were pretty hectic. Just time for an update.

 

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Various communications across the Reich

From: Reich office for statistics
To: the Reich Ministry
Date: 6 July 1945
Re: Preliminarily statistical report regarding the Eastern Front 1941-1945

Per your instructions from last week, please see the attached report regarding our losses on the Eastern Front and the estimated Soviet losses. In total, the Soviet military lost over five-million men killed or captured, while our own losses amounted to 1.4 million. Close to 400,000 more Soviets were recorded killed during anti-partisan fighting.

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Due to the capture of Moscow and the Soviet government and Red Army archives, the following reports have also been prepared. They show the total manpower, the number of divisions, the number of tanks, and the number of aircraft available to the Soviet military compared to OKH. While it is not our place to judge, from a statistical point of view it is hard to understand why the 1941 campaign gained so little ground and failed. On the other hand, it explains why the following campaigns faced so much opposition and achieved only moderate resulted until the Soviet economic collaspe.

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From: Organisation Todt
To: the Reich Ministry
Date: 10 July 1945
Re: Imperial Highway Project

Our survey of the conquered territories of Eastern Europe has been complete. The fighting, in the frontline areas, and the Soviet utilization of a scorched earth policy has resulted in extensive damage to the road and rail network. As this is typed, large scale repair work is being undertaken to restore the lines of communication.

In addition, the first phase of the 'Imperial Highway Project' has commenced. Autobahn and railroad construction has started to link the new territories with the Reich. Construction in the first phase includes the below three routes:

Central branch: Northern German – East Prussia - Vitsyebsk - Smolensk – Moscow
Southern branch: Moscow – Tula – Orel – Kursk – Kharkov – Stalino – Rostov
Northern branch: Moscow – Jaroslavl – Vologda – Arkhangelsk

The second phase, which will commence at a date to be determined, will create an extensive rail and autobahn network along the new frontiers to facilitate the movement of our armies in the border regions. The third phase will aim to link the Crimea and Leningrad, along with any other vital cities, with the central branch.

Attached is a photograph from work starting in the east. Once work has progressed, a more detailed plan of the route will be produced and dispatched.

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From: Organisation Todt
To: the Reich Ministry
Date: 11 July 1945
Re: Frontier defenses

Per your instructions last month, following the signing of the peace treaty, we have scouted out the new frontiers of the Reich in coordination with the army. The army has noted that they will be able to hold the various river lines that make up the majority of our new frontier via field works on the west and northern banks, but that they are concerned about the two sectors were there is no river line to defend.

Today, the first concrete was laid on two fortification lines. These will cover the two gaps where there is no river to defend. The northern line has been dubbed the 'Manstein Line' and the southern the 'Rundstedt Line'. By mid-October, the first bunkers are expected to have been constructed and lines of anti-tank obstacles laid. Additional bunkers and fortified artillery batteries are due for completion by February.

OKH has expressed that this should be adequate to deter any Soviet invasion, or to buy time for the panzers to move forward to counterattack any breakthrough should it occur, thus no further construction will be needed following completion of the task.

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From: Abwehr
To: the Reich Ministry
Date: 22 July 1945
Re: Internal Soviet politics

Since the end of the fighting, our various agents within the Soviet Union have reported in. Our network was able to evacuate Moscow and other key locations along with the Soviet government and Red Army, thus we retain an extensive network within the rump Soviet state.

Two days ago, as the opportunity presented itself, our agents convinced disgruntled military officials and politicians – engaged at the loss of the war and the peace terms we have inflicted upon them – into attempting to overthrow the Soviet regime. Today, we received the unfortunately news. The plot was discovered and the attempted coup failed before it got off the ground. Our network, however, survived the crackdown and purge that followed.

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From: Abwehr
To: the Reich Ministry
Date: 29 July 1945
Re: Soviet spies intercepted

We have captured several Soviet agents attempting to cross the new border. They have been interrogated by military officials in the frontier region and their purpose discovered. The Soviets appear to have found out that it was our agents that influenced the coup attempt last week, and these men were sent to attempt to organize a coup here at home in retaliation.

It has been determined that they have not contacted anyone within our government or military, however we shall investigate further to ensure that this is in fact the case.

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From: Abwehr
To: OKH, OKW, and the Reich Ministry
Date: 13 August 1945
Re: Soviet mobilization!

Our agents within the Soviet Union have sent urgent information. This morning, the Soviet government gave the order for their forces to start mobilization.

In all likelihood this order is aimed at the Reich, and scouts along the border have already noted that the Red Army has massed along the length of the frontier. However, it is possible that the Red Army is building up its strength to consider a take over the newly created states in the Caucasus were internal fighting has broken out. Finally, and least probable, the Soviets may be considering to go to war with Japan. After all, the Japanese did manage to seize Vladivostok (without firing a shot) and the Soviets have placed an embargo upon them.

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From: OKH
To: OKW, and the Reich Ministry
Date: 14 August 1945
Re: Military deployments

Considering the Soviet buildup along the border, and the warning received yesterday by the security services, the order has been given for our own forces to assemble along the border in defensive positions.

Army Group North (Third and Tenth armies) will take some time to assemble in its positions due to the poor level of infrastructure that has been inherited. Army Group Centre (Fourth, Eighth and Ninth armies) will soon be in position. Likewise Army Group South (Fourteenth, Sixteenth, Seventeenth, and Eighteenth armies) will soon be in position. Due to the nature of the terrain, all forces have had to be committed to the frontline and the bulk of them lay in the south in a region that could be cut off if the Soviets a) amass sufficient strength, and b) apply any strategic skill.

The Fourth Panzer and the Sixth-SS Panzer armies are our sole reserve (outside of garrison and security forces) and we highly recommend that they are retained within our theatre of operations.

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From: OKH
To: OKW, and the Reich Ministry
Date: 20 September 1945
Re: Military situation

Due to the various distances needed to be travelled from the garrison locations to the frontline and the poor infrastructure, today marks the completion of the deployment of our frontline forces.

In addition, we can now confirm that the security forces have completed their deployments. The new territories are both secure on the frontier from external aggression and from internal troublemakers.

A complete order of battle for the frontline forces and a detailed run down on the security situation will be dispatched once completed.

 

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A Soviet Betrayal? So soon?

 

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The Soviets are mobilizing...the Gerogians/Armenians/Azeris are separated from Germany....and all that land in Western Russia, the Ukraine, and Belarus where the Germans still face a not so happy population.

How are you going to pacify these areas? Will you release the Ukraine and/or Belarus as a puppet to reduce the demands on the military and help raise more potential divisions to counter the growing Soviet threat?


That's a lot of LOW infra provinces that you have now....

 

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Good to see you back! Great update!

 

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The Soviets are crazy if they want to attack now.

 

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That is some nice graphs, I'm especially impressed by the huge build up in divisions the last years also how your mp has grown.

 

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Actually, remembering back now, I though that I would probably have destroyed the divisions in the pockets before grabbing Moscow just so they wouldn't be available to the SU after the Bitter Peace. But then, wasn't there something about forced disarmament as part of the peace treaty?

 

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Nice to see you back. Surprised to see the Russkies already mobilizing.....but nobody said they were that smart............

 

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LewsTherin said:

Actually, remembering back now, I though that I would probably have destroyed the divisions in the pockets before grabbing Moscow just so they wouldn't be available to the SU after the Bitter Peace. But then, wasn't there something about forced disarmament as part of the peace treaty?

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A certain Austrian ignored a certain treaty.

I bet the Russians are obliged to ignore a certain treaty too.

 

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JustThatGuy said:

A certain Austrian ignored a certain treaty.

I bet the Russians are obliged to ignore a certain treaty too.

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If the Austrian dude wouldn't of ignored the treaty, then the Georgian dude would do it a week later!

 

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JustThatGuy said:

A certain Austrian ignored a certain treaty.

I bet the Russians are obliged to ignore a certain treaty too.

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Meh...treaties are meant to be broken. j/k

 

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Thanks everyone for the comments! Having now got my exams out the way, i have a little bit of extra time so i might just be able to get this finished off at last.

JustThatGuy said:

A Soviet Betrayal? So soon?

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superjames1992 said:

The Soviets are crazy if they want to attack now.

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KLorberau said:

Nice to see you back. Surprised to see the Russkies already mobilizing.....but nobody said they were that smart............

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I really hope not! I have garrisoned each province with two divisions and that has sapped my strength. Although that has left me with three field armies and my panzers, its a case of being right back where I was 41-44 with too few troops to pull off a win.

pinkus-pils said:

How are you going to pacify these areas? Will you release the Ukraine and/or Belarus as a puppet to reduce the demands on the military and help raise more potential divisions to counter the growing Soviet threat?


That's a lot of LOW infra provinces that you have now....

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No plans just yet for releasing puppets. There is a lot of industrial sites within that conquered territory regardless of the numerous decisions the Soviet AI undertook to move their industry to Siberia. Iirc, now I have a 2:1 advantage over the Soviet AI in industrial capacity.

As for the unhappy populace: garrisons and putting down hard any uprisings.

LewsTherin said:

Good to see you back! Great update!

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Thanks!

Surt said:

That is some nice graphs, I'm especially impressed by the huge build up in divisions the last years also how your mp has grown.

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That was manpower only available to OKH, my theatre HQ looking after the Eastern Front. That increase is an influx of practically everything off my western front, allied divisions and splitting a bunch of my units into smaller ones.

LewsTherin said:

Actually, remembering back now, I though that I would probably have destroyed the divisions in the pockets before grabbing Moscow just so they wouldn't be available to the SU after the Bitter Peace. But then, wasn't there something about forced disarmament as part of the peace treaty?

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There was ... i deleted there airborne and armoured divisions that were on the Eastern Front (as part of the peace treaty) xD Afterwards, i felt i should have just gone ahead and had one last climatic battle and destroyed the majority of their army rather than go for Moscow. Heat of the moment i guess, i guess i know how Lt-Gen Clark feels

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A certain Austrian ignored a certain treaty.

I bet the Russians are obliged to ignore a certain treaty too.

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