Leadermodifications for 1.06

[birch23]

Coming back to italian army commanders, currently there is but a single engineer, and no tricksters at all. I cannot suggest any names, but what about adding the odd specialist or two, even at a low level, just to add a wider choice to the player?

There is now... but strangely enough when speaking of Engineers that branch was certainly downgraded in the Italian army,which is a bit strange when I think of all the famous inventors/engineers Italy has had,but it was soemthing left out in army planning,hence the low number,In contrast actually to Hungary which only (sic!!) contribution to WW2 was in the field of engineering where they were way ahead of everybody else when it all started,they really taught the Germans a thing or two...

Tricksters....well I guess we have sort of used this option more or less to describe either very famous generals or guerilla warfare generals like Slim,and none of the above suits any Italian general... but I managed to track down an OG who now has that trait,I could have applied it to Borghese as well,but I didn't really think it suited him.Perhaps we could have added it to Pintor who was considered the best Italian general but unfortunately for him he was never to prove it,so I couldn't apply it there.As for Winter I applied it to a few Alpini(sti)... and mainly if they were in Russia.Removed some defence traits and replaced some with Fortress Buster (an Italian speciality) = artillery,siege.

But regarding Italy there is the slight problem...that there did not seem to an overhead plan of how we wage war,in contrast to France (defence) and Germany (armour-Offensive)reading about the Italian warfare you tend to get the impression of some OOOPPS solutions.....not meant in an offensive way by any means....

[Hurin]

(...) there is the slight problem...that there did not seem to an overhead plan of how we wage war,in contrast to France (defence) and Germany (armour-Offensive)reading about the Italian warfare you tend to get the impression of some OOOPPS solutions.....not meant in an offensive way by any means....

I fully agree with you. It's hard to find a strategical doctrine for Regio Esercito in those years. In a few words, it did exist, but it was far from the reality of the modern war and, thus, unable to bring to any positive results. Anyway, this is a game after all. If you need specialists, I approve the fortress busters, but I'd be not against those defensive doctrines, after all. Also, I'd not change the current number of logistical wizards. And what about adding the odd very-low-rank desert specialist or two? Italy was in Lybia since 1911, and a few first-line experienced officers for desert war certainly existed.

[birch23]

I fully agree with you. It's hard to find a strategical doctrine for Regio Esercito in those years. In a few words, it did exist, but it was far from the reality of the modern war and, thus, unable to bring to any positive results. Anyway, this is a game after all. If you need specialists, I approve the fortress busters, but I'd be not against those defensive doctrines, after all. Also, I'd not change the current number of logistical wizards. And what about adding the odd very-low-rank desert specialist or two? Italy was in Lybia since 1911, and a few first-line experienced officers for desert war certainly existed.

The main problem for the lacklustre performance in WW2 (apart from the lack in technical development) was that the only one who dreamed of a Nova Roma was Mussolini...no one else cared,and thus no one really didn't want to fight with the BIG Guys....Unfortunately this has made Italian soldiers a laughing stock since,an attitude which I always have found extremely wrong,cause when you look down through history,it will be difficult for any European country to come up with more good generals than the various states in Italy (and further back Rome of course).Strangely enough to me most of these seems to have come from the north.(I know Christ stopped at Eboli... but...???.

But what do you mean with desert specialists there are no such option,thats what we use Logistics for(and to jungle and most OGs)If we really talk about a desert specialist,,we combine it with another trait..could be anything except Winter....

[Halibutt]

The new version of the Generalicja MOD is out. 12 new leaders, 20 new pictures.

I'm still not sure if I want them put in the same sack as the guy who created Auschwitz-Birkenau just because someone likes him, but the Polish community asked me to submit the files here.

Thereare two versions:

Installer
and
.rar archive

Ceterum censeo Bachem deletam esse.

[birch23]

The new version of the Generalicja MOD is out. 12 new leaders, 20 new pictures.

I'm still not sure if I want them put in the same sack as the guy who created Auschwitz-Birkenau just because someone likes him, but the Polish community asked me to submit the files here.

Thereare two versions:

Installer
and
.rar archive

Ceterum censeo Bachem deletam esse.

And this is and add on to the previous(which I can't find now) right ? Could you post the link to the main Generalicja again in case I can't find them.

Commisioned the building of...not built..or perhaps better oversaw the building of.....

[birch23]

Sorted out the massive amount of Japanese governments and put ideologies to them too.not that easy,has requested a lot of reading,and this one can't really be perfect cause we have to few ideologies on the right side to work with,since NS can't be used here....but basically which has surprised me a bit it will be PA-FA-LC and both PA/LC and probably ther emperor too,was stern opponents to the war,I kind of guess very few Europeans actually knows this.

This means that we can turn to the the letter K and L countries and there are no K countries.. and L is Latvia,Lithuania,Liberia and Luxembourg.the two small Baltic states will follow the pattern of Estonia(I have to find more Lithuanians)Liberia is a puppet and hence no commie/fasc ideology needed here,must find a few more on the political scene although they were sparse,I will btw.make them PA anyway cause that was what they were.(not democratic) Luxembourg will hardly set the game on fire anyway,but it will be made,and as I recall from memory this file is filled with politicians,mainly because I found pics of the whole National Assembly from those years...

so this should be moving at a somewhat higher speed that has been done recently.

[TM1]

Hi Birch
seems like your moving along fine with the election program just few quick questions and comments this time do you have a time table as to which patch you think this system will go into as i read patch 1.06 is in testing stage and may be reading in the not to distant future so are we looking at patch 1.07 or 1.08 or later also as i have been browsing your updates on the countries i have to tell you im looking forward to to playing the new system for many reasons that i have posted to you but also now that there will also be some activity in South America with plenty of coups and cabinet reshuffles specially the coups i hope this will make the South Americans more active in the war in Europe( and against each other in South America) with out having to ask them to join in if a person is playing a major power, most of the time you have to ask them to join your alliance they rarely send troops abroad and there is not much fighing between themselves over on there own continent, im hoping now we will see some initiative from the AI and some serious South American fighting, on another note which is not your department who should i post to about the economic system as i have played now a few minor countries and find that they can go economically bankrupt meaning they cant support there industrial capacity with there resources and i find it hard to believe this really happened during the 1930's and 40's, as a example i played your home country Denmark just recently and i tell you its tuff ask, not enough IC to do Research let alone build troops so who do i post too to ask for info on this subject.
one last thing on a lighter note i read your recent post and was amused at your thoughts on little Luxembourg, they may be small but im looking forward to taking charge of them in the not distant future and giving the Nazis a run for there money, (well maybe ) just need a few good Generals and some divine intervention, so look after them.
Regards TM1

[Frodon]

Luxembourg, they may be small but im looking forward to taking charge of them in the not distant future and giving the Nazis a run for there money, (well maybe ) just need a few good Generals and some divine intervention, so look after them.
Regards TM1

I remember playing a grand strategic WW2 boardgame many years ago. The german player tried to conquer both Poland and the Low Countries in 1939. After a series of the worst die rolls in the history of wargaming, his entire Western Army Group was wiped out in the Battle for Brussels, and my brave combined Belgium/Luxembourg Army went on the counteroffensive and captured Berlin (after a series of extremely lucky die rolls)

[Halibutt]

And this is and add on to the previous(which I can't find now) right ? Could you post the link to the main Generalicja again in case I can't find them.

Commisioned the building of...not built..or perhaps better oversaw the building of.....

No, this is a brand-new working version, stand alone, build March 2nd.

Caeterum censeo Bachem deletam esse.

[TM1]

I remember playing a grand strategic WW2 boardgame many years ago. The german player tried to conquer both Poland and the Low Countries in 1939. After a series of the worst die rolls in the history of wargaming, his entire Western Army Group was wiped out in the Battle for Brussels, and my brave combined Belgium/Luxembourg Army went on the counteroffensive and captured Berlin (after a series of extremely lucky die rolls)

hi Frodon
Yes the Germans always seem to come unstuck trying to fight on both fronts at once, sounds like it was a classic game, nothing more enjoyable than watching your opponents troops crushed then marching on his capital with him powerless to stop you, i have never underestimated the Low countries combat abilities since i just finished playing as Holland recently and was victorious, im now in Scandinavia playing Sweden the game is progressing well im part of the Allies, i look forward to also giving Norway a run i feel they have great potential using a defensive strategy to tie down Axis forces.
Regards TM1

[Confederate]

When will 1.6 be released? I cannot find a thread about this on the forum.

[Hurin]

The main problem for the lacklustre performance in WW2 (apart from the lack in technical development) was that the only one who dreamed of a Nova Roma was Mussolini...no one else cared,and thus no one really didn't want to fight with the BIG Guys....Unfortunately this has made Italian soldiers a laughing stock since,an attitude which I always have found extremely wrong,cause when you look down through history,it will be difficult for any European country to come up with more good generals than the various states in Italy (and further back Rome of course).Strangely enough to me most of these seems to have come from the north.(I know Christ stopped at Eboli... but...???.

Italy had become a strong nation after WWI, and the idea of having it stronger was attractive to many, being their reasons ideological or just economical. Furthermore, most knew that a second european war was close and inevitable. I have read a political analysis upon the the Europe wrote in the early months of WWI (1914!) by an italian high officer, and he concluded that the current war wasn'to to resolve any of the european problems, and that a new one would have started just a few years after the conclusion of the treaty of peace! The italian high command in the '30s expected the war to explode about in 1943, and thus it started preparation for that event (...in delay).
The majority of Italians dis sustain fascism and Mussolini's foreign policy at least until El Alamein, but likely even until the disaster of Stalingrad. Really, the shocking event for the Italians were the tales from the survivors of the ARMIR, who told about the enormous military power of the Soviets, the mistakes and lacking of cooperation of the Germans, and the faults of italian generals.
I'd say that the italian soldiers fought bravely when situation allowed it. Unfortunately for them, they were scarcely trained, badly equipped and, worst of worst, awfully commanded: it were these three facts overall to keep low their morale, not the fascism or the war for themselves.
Perhaps a distinction may be done for the Navy. The navy officers had grown considering the British as friends, or at least as allies, to the point that no strategical doctrine had been definited for a scenario with an hostile Royal Navy. It had been hard for them to find their allies turned into enemies without a warning, and this, along with the total absence of a strategical plan, leaded to a very cautious military initiative on the sea.
About the lacking of good military leaders in those roaring years... Well, this is really hard an argument. Corruption was certainly a cause, but not the main one. I would say, but's just a my idea, that WWI experience had shocked them, to the point that they were unable lo look clearly forward in the definition and understanding of the new warfare doctrines.

[birch23]

Hi Birch
seems like your moving along fine with the election program just few quick questions and comments this time do you have a time table as to which patch you think this system will go into as i read patch 1.06 is in testing stage and may be reading in the not to distant future so are we looking at patch 1.07 or 1.08 or later also as i have been browsing your updates on the countries i have to tell you im looking forward to to playing the new system for many reasons that i have posted to you but also now that there will also be some activity in South America with plenty of coups and cabinet reshuffles specially the coups i hope this will make the South Americans more active in the war in Europe( and against each other in South America) with out having to ask them to join in if a person is playing a major power, most of the time you have to ask them to join your alliance they rarely send troops abroad and there is not much fighing between themselves over on there own continent, im hoping now we will see some initiative from the AI and some serious South American fighting, on another note which is not your department who should i post to about the economic system as i have played now a few minor countries and find that they can go economically bankrupt meaning they cant support there industrial capacity with there resources and i find it hard to believe this really happened during the 1930's and 40's, as a example i played your home country Denmark just recently and i tell you its tuff ask, not enough IC to do Research let alone build troops so who do i post too to ask for info on this subject.
one last thing on a lighter note i read your recent post and was amused at your thoughts on little Luxembourg, they may be small but im looking forward to taking charge of them in the not distant future and giving the Nazis a run for there money, (well maybe ) just need a few good Generals and some divine intervention, so look after them.
Regards TM1

I think Vulture's plan is to release it through the pic package,because it will have a LOT more pics,which patch it is for is not within my power.. but whatever patch you will have it is just downloading the pic package and then overwrite your existing files,as it does not contain an actual exe file..for obvious reasons,South America;Yes there are a lot more action going on,but it seems difficult to get them going at war with eachother,they are however more likely to go into WW2.(on the Allied side)

Well DK was not a financial superpower then,actually we were pretty poor,the BIG jump ahead came in the 50s.But as always my Swedish gamemakers have made a little difficult to play DK (which actually had no role in WW2)I recall a minor discussion with Frodon way back what they will do in CK where Denmark very much was the superpower of the world and Sweden was hardly existing....

I find that the best chanche for Luxembourgs survival is joining the axis,which they in reality did with the puppet gov.But it has to be timed... and they do ot have the possibility like the Baltics/DK/Norway/Poland to conquer a minor Latin country first to stay in game....

[birch23]

No, this is a brand-new working version, stand alone, build March 2nd.

Caeterum censeo Bachem deletam esse.

Great I got it now,I'm still supposed to use some of the many pics I made way back and sent to you right?

[birch23]

When will 1.6 be released? I cannot find a thread about this on the forum.

I think it is in testing phase

[birch23]

Italy had become a strong nation after WWI, and the idea of having it stronger was attractive to many, being their reasons ideological or just economical. Furthermore, most knew that a second european war was close and inevitable. I have read a political analysis upon the the Europe wrote in the early months of WWI (1914!) by an italian high officer, and he concluded that the current war wasn'to to resolve any of the european problems, and that a new one would have started just a few years after the conclusion of the treaty of peace! The italian high command in the '30s expected the war to explode about in 1943, and thus it started preparation for that event (...in delay).
The majority of Italians dis sustain fascism and Mussolini's foreign policy at least until El Alamein, but likely even until the disaster of Stalingrad. Really, the shocking event for the Italians were the tales from the survivors of the ARMIR, who told about the enormous military power of the Soviets, the mistakes and lacking of cooperation of the Germans, and the faults of italian generals.
I'd say that the italian soldiers fought bravely when situation allowed it. Unfortunately for them, they were scarcely trained, badly equipped and, worst of worst, awfully commanded: it were these three facts overall to keep low their morale, not the fascism or the war for themselves.
Perhaps a distinction may be done for the Navy. The navy officers had grown considering the British as friends, or at least as allies, to the point that no strategical doctrine had been definited for a scenario with an hostile Royal Navy. It had been hard for them to find their allies turned into enemies without a warning, and this, along with the total absence of a strategical plan, leaded to a very cautious military initiative on the sea.
About the lacking of good military leaders in those roaring years... Well, this is really hard an argument. Corruption was certainly a cause, but not the main one. I would say, but's just a my idea, that WWI experience had shocked them, to the point that they were unable lo look clearly forward in the definition and understanding of the new warfare doctrines.

Yes a bit like France I guess,most countries were unable to see the new era btw.including a major like the US,but well we all know how swiftly they can accomodate to a new thing in the game....)

He was right btw.The Peace Treaty after WW1 did not solev any problems,it created a lot new ones,it was only a matter of time before there would be a new war,but it is interresting that none at the time suspected Germany as the agressor.They seem to think a clash in the Mediterranean area or against the Soviet was the most likely thing.

[birch23]

Japan finally finished,good file I will say shamelessly... csv,ministers elections,INC36 and 1 pic sent

[TM1]

I think Vulture's plan is to release it through the pic package,because it will have a LOT more pics,which patch it is for is not within my power.. but whatever patch you will have it is just downloading the pic package and then overwrite your existing files,as it does not contain an actual exe file..for obvious reasons,South America;Yes there are a lot more action going on,but it seems difficult to get them going at war with eachother,they are however more likely to go into WW2.(on the Allied side)

Well DK was not a financial superpower then,actually we were pretty poor,the BIG jump ahead came in the 50s.But as always my Swedish gamemakers have made a little difficult to play DK (which actually had no role in WW2)I recall a minor discussion with Frodon way back what they will do in CK where Denmark very much was the superpower of the world and Sweden was hardly existing....

I find that the best chanche for Luxembourgs survival is joining the axis,which they in reality did with the puppet gov.But it has to be timed... and they do ot have the possibility like the Baltics/DK/Norway/Poland to conquer a minor Latin country first to stay in game....

Well i cant disagree with your assessment of your home countries economical status as i dont have much historical data of my own for that period, however
i feel that from a WWII perspective Denmark should not be undervalued, which im certain you do not,from a military point of view and in game terms i myself consider Denmark to be a high priority country and for one very good reason, the "Kattegat and Skagerrak " two strategic sea zones, in a time of war control these zones and you control the Baltic, im a Alliance and Naval advocate in game terms, im reluctant to annex countries out right (unless im playing landlocked countries ) even when playing Germany, so a Friendly Denmark or subservient Puppet gives me a safe haven for my battle fleets in the Baltic Sea, but im getting off track from original post which was economical, i have just started a game with Switzerland and they are a bigger disaster than Denmark ( sorry to all the Swiss fans who might read this post ) i have played a year so far and have managed to keep the economy running but i think in another 3 months its all over, i expect my IC to drop below 50 % at least, how these countries survived i can't fathom, the maths just don't add up so if your Swedish game makers read this please check the resources values of the minors.
regards TM1

[Halibutt]

Great I got it now,I'm still supposed to use some of the many pics I made way back and sent to you right?

I'm not really sure what you mean. I don't want you to send anything to me, it's just a version for d/l. Do whatever you want with it, you can even try to add some war criminals or nazi officials to the list, I don't care. It's open-source.

Caeterum censeo Bachem deletam esse.

[birch23]

Well i cant disagree with your assessment of your home countries economical status as i dont have much historical data of my own for that period, however
i feel that from a WWII perspective Denmark should not be undervalued, which im certain you do not,from a military point of view and in game terms i myself consider Denmark to be a high priority country and for one very good reason, the "Kattegat and Skagerrak " two strategic sea zones, in a time of war control these zones and you control the Baltic, im a Alliance and Naval advocate in game terms, im reluctant to annex countries out right (unless im playing landlocked countries ) even when playing Germany, so a Friendly Denmark or subservient Puppet gives me a safe haven for my battle fleets in the Baltic Sea, but im getting off track from original post which was economical, i have just started a game with Switzerland and they are a bigger disaster than Denmark ( sorry to all the Swiss fans who might read this post ) i have played a year so far and have managed to keep the economy running but i think in another 3 months its all over, i expect my IC to drop below 50 % at least, how these countries survived i can't fathom, the maths just don't add up so if your Swedish game makers read this please check the resources values of the minors.
regards TM1

Switzerland has no port hence their economy is really not up to it.. you just waittill you play Luxembourg....