Change castle graphics from wood to stone at some date

balmung60 · Dec 18, 2014

As stated in the title, for cultures (Russian, Norse, etc.) that have the wooden fort castle graphics, while these are nice for the early game, it would be nice to see them change over to stone instead of sticking with their wooden forts for 700 years.

eirecount · Dec 18, 2014

Wooden castles in 1337 makes no sense at all. Support.

Dirt McStain · Dec 18, 2014

+1 - give the unreformed pagan tribals the wood castles, and switch them over to stone when they go feudal and reform/adopt a reformed religion.

keytium · Dec 18, 2014

You know I would totally buy an extra holding portraits DLC. I spend a lot of time looking at those little pictures as I click around on holdings and provinces.

Vityviktor · Dec 18, 2014

That would be nice. Maybe changing the graphics when reaching a certain level of improvements.

balmung60 · Dec 19, 2014

If I recall the old, more flavorful, building names (please bring those back), the level 2 fort was Stone Walls, which would make it an appropriate transition point.

I was thinking by date at first since that's how they did the early/mainline clothing thing.

Thure · Dec 19, 2014

Technology or building. Not time! It don't make sense to get stone castles if your technology is still bad even if it's 1300

eirecount said:
Wooden castles in 1337 makes no sense at all. Support.

Depends who you are...

sreckom92 · Dec 19, 2014

I would like to see that.
Also, more diverse settlements for other characters. For Byzantines and Russians perhaps?

Lord_P · Dec 20, 2014

Agreed, but why did they remove the old building names in the first place?

NewbieOne · Dec 20, 2014

Wood or stone in the holding icon does not necessarily reflect the material used — read descriptions on Walls, Towns, keeps maybe, and you'll see.

eirecount · Dec 20, 2014

NewbieOne said:
Wood or stone in the holding icon does not necessarily reflect the material used — read descriptions on Walls, Towns, keeps maybe, and you'll see.

That doesn't matter. What matters is that it looks wrong for the number 1 advanced civilisation in the known world to have wooden castles because they're Norse.

NewbieOne · Dec 20, 2014

eirecount said:
That doesn't matter. What matters is that it looks wrong for the number 1 advanced civilisation in the known world to have wooden castles because they're Norse.

No, it does matter, and you're contradicting yourself. The tooltip for castle upgrades mentions wood first regardless where you're located (including the default western/southern stone-looking places) and stone for the higher upgrades, wherever you are — including Scandinavia or anything with the Norse culture, even tribals, even Mongols and other nomads. You could argue that pictures of wooden strongholds are mismatched for later eras or highly upgraded castles, but that's a different thing.

eirecount · Dec 20, 2014

NewbieOne said:
You could argue that pictures of wooden strongholds are mismatched for later eras or highly upgraded castles, but that's a different thing.

It's not a different thing. That's what this entire thread is about. The title says "graphics" not tooltip. You're the one bringing up random stuff that isn't even on-topic. What you said doesn't matter because that's not what the OP's problem is.

Arko · Dec 21, 2014

i am more concerned with stone castle everywhere in 769 or 867 when there were just no castle at all or wooden ones. but yes, every holding gfx should evolve the same way palaces evolve.

the on map 3D gfx should also change depending on the level of technology/developpement of the capital holding.

NewbieOne · Dec 22, 2014

eirecount said:
It's not a different thing. That's what this entire thread is about. The title says "graphics" not tooltip. You're the one bringing up random stuff that isn't even on-topic. What you said doesn't matter because that's not what the OP's problem is.

Take your attitude elsewhere please. I'm not going to waste any more words on you other than saying this: if you can't see the thematic link between wood/stone graphics and wood/stone tooltips, then you just don't want to see it, or have some other problem. For typical westerners, BYZ etc. the game shows stone graphics even where the tooltip says wood. For the Norse, it does the opposite. The graphics don't correspond 1:1 with what material your stuff is built of in the province.

Rags17 · Dec 23, 2014

Dirt McStain said:
+1 - give the unreformed pagan tribals the wood castles, and switch them over to stone when they go feudal and reform/adopt a reformed religion.

+1 to that man's +1 !

eirecount · Dec 25, 2014

NewbieOne said:
Take your attitude elsewhere please. I'm not going to waste any more words on you other than saying this: if you can't see the thematic link between wood/stone graphics and wood/stone tooltips, then you just don't want to see it, or have some other problem. For typical westerners, BYZ etc. the game shows stone graphics even where the tooltip says wood. For the Norse, it does the opposite. The graphics don't correspond 1:1 with what material your stuff is built of in the province.

The graphics not corresponding is the OP's problem. Learn how to read.

balmung60 · Dec 28, 2014

eirecount said:
The graphics not corresponding is the OP's problem. Learn how to read.

However, making the graphics correspond would be a decent solution that would likely result in a changeover at a pretty reasonable time.

Though a more complete set of graphics for holdings would be nice, too.

ckscpk · Jan 2, 2015

I assume there is a place in the game files where you can manually change the holding appearance for each culture. Wood to stone castles, for example, or any other caste/town/temple graphics which might be preferred. Where is that? I have looked for it myself, but could never find it. Some mods seem able to customize which holding appearance is used, but I have no idea how they do it.

Mikser495 · Jan 4, 2015

ckscpk said:
I assume there is a place in the game files where you can manually change the holding appearance for each culture. Wood to stone castles, for example, or any other caste/town/temple graphics which might be preferred. Where is that? I have looked for it myself, but could never find it. Some mods seem able to customize which holding appearance is used, but I have no idea how they do it.

They are in gfx/interface folder. Their filenames start with "placeholder".

Change castle graphics from wood to stone at some date

Field Marshal

Banned

Captain

Major

General

Field Marshal

Chartularius Hamburgensis

Field Marshal

Field Marshal

Field Marshal

Banned

Field Marshal

Banned

Red zone

Field Marshal

Ludere Ludum

Banned

Field Marshal

Recruit

Recruit