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Last week you have been given the opportunity to vote on which country I should play next and the outcome is Finland. Many thanks for the votes and also on the feedback on how to play it. I do not want to exploit the game, nor do I want to dominate the world (or at least, not that way ;) ). Giving it some thought on how to make it all more challenging for myself and hopefully not impossible by doing so. Anyhow, I came up with some restrictions:

  • No expansion until Winter War starts or the historical date 30th November 1939
  • Production of military units (land, sea or air) is not allowed until the Anschluss of Austria or the historical date of 13th March 1938
  • Do not use the neutrality lowering event before 1.1.1937
  • Use of spies are only permitted for domestic missions (increase unity, party support, counterespionage) until 1.1.1938
  • No use of exploits such as guaranteeing independence of Nationalist China or acquire territory (e.g. northern France) while I have no troops there to help and fight whatsoever
  • Only claim territory I can actually attack and would make sense to claim such as Karelia


Hopefully these restrictions will do…..

Now for my goals (yes, I do have them):

  • Join the Axis
  • Survive the Winter War without loss of territory
  • Subdue Scandinavia (Scandinavian Empire FTW!)
  • Invade the UK
  • Claim Karelia and perhaps other SU territories, but only if I have helped acquiring these territories.
  • If I'm still alive, we'll see what will happen

Some details of the game and AAR:

Expansion: Their Finest Hour
Mods: none (still like vanilla and having trouble with the way mods are in general)
Difficulty: Hard- not a Custom game(!!)
Nation chosen: Finland
Writing style: Timeline, history book and stories.
 
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Some interesting goals. Good luck with it, you set yourself a challenge I think. Especially getting out of Talvisota without losing territory looks tough.
 
Suomi voittaa

After Revolution in Russia, Finland (at the time a Russian province) received a new Senate. Based on the general election in 1916, the Social Democrats had a small majority, and the Social Democrat Oskari Tokoi became prime minister. The new Senate was willing to cooperate with the provisional government of Russia, but no agreement was reached. Finland considered the personal union with Russia to be over after the dethroning of the Tsar—although the Finns had de facto recognized the provisional government as the Tsar's successor by accepting its authority to appoint a new Governor General and Senate. They expected the Tsar's authority to be transferred to Finland's Parliament, which the provisional government of Russia refused, suggesting instead that the question should be settled by the Russian Constituent Assembly.

The Social Democrats held on to the Power Act and opposed the promulgation of the decree of dissolution of the Parliament, whereas the non-Socialists voted for promulgating it. The disagreement over the Power Act led to the Social Democrats leaving the Senate. When the Parliament met again after the summer recess in August 1917, only the groups supporting the Power Act were present. Russian troops took possession of the chamber, the Parliament was dissolved, and new elections were carried out. The result was a (small) non-Socialist majority and a purely non-Socialist Senate. The suppression of the Power Act, and the cooperation between Finnish non-Socialist forces and oppressive Russia provoked great bitterness among the Socialists, and had resulted in dozens of politically motivated attacks and murders.

Independence, civil war and reforms

The October Revolution of 1917 turned Finnish politics upside down. Now, the new non-Socialist majority of the Parliament desired total independence, and the Socialists came gradually to view Soviet Russia as an example to follow. On November 15, 1917, the Bolsheviks declared a general right of self-determination, including the right of complete secession, "for the Peoples of Russia". On the same day the Finnish Parliament issued a declaration by which it temporarily took power in Finland.

Worried by the development in Russia and Finland itself, the non-Socialist Senate proposed that Parliament declare Finland's independence, which was agreed on in the Parliament on December 6, 1917. On December 18 the Soviet government issued a Decree, recognizing Finland's independence, and on December 22 it was approved by the highest Soviet executive body. Germany and the Scandinavian countries followed without delay.

From January to May 1918, Finland experienced the brief but bitter Finnish Civil War. On one side there were the civil guards, who fought for the anti-Socialists. On the other side were the Red Guards, which consisted of workers and tenant farmers. The latter proclaimed a Finnish Socialist Workers' Republic. World War I was still underway and the defeat of the Red Guards was achieved with support from Imperial Germany, while Sweden remained neutral and Russia withdrew its forces. The Reds lost the war and the White peasantry rose to political leadership in the 1920s–1930s.

After the civil war the parliament, controlled by the Whites, voted to establish a constitutional monarchy to be called the Kingdom of Finland, with a German prince as king. However, Germany's defeat in November 1918 made the plan impossible and Finland instead became a republic, with Kaarlo Juho Ståhlberg elected as its first President in 1919. Despite Germany’s defeat, strong relations between the nations were forged and Finland’s sympathy towards Germany was very strong.

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Lapuan Liike marchers, 7 July 1930

Large scale agrarian reform in the 1920s involved breaking up the large estates controlled by the old nobility and selling the land to ambitious peasants. The farmers became strong supporters of the government and were given the opportunity to develop new techniques to ensure Finnish agriculture could sustain the cold winters.

The new republic faced a dispute over the Åland Islands, which were overwhelmingly Swedish-speaking and sought retrocession to Sweden. However, as Finland was not willing to cede the islands, they were offered an autonomous status. Nevertheless, the residents did not approve the offer, and the dispute over the islands was submitted to the League of Nations. The League decided that Finland should retain sovereignty over the Åland Islands, but they should be made an autonomous province. Thus Finland was under an obligation to ensure the residents of the Åland Islands a right to maintain the Swedish language, as well as their own culture and local traditions. At the same time, an international treaty was concluded on the neutral status of Åland, under which it was prohibited to place military headquarters or forces on the islands.

Nationalist sentiment remaining from the Civil War developed into the proto-Fascist Lapua Movement in 1929. Initially the movement gained widespread support among anti-Communist Finns, but following a failed coup attempt in 1932 it was banned and its leaders imprisoned.

In the wake of the Civil War there were many incidents along the border between Finland and Soviet Union, such as the Aunus expedition and the Pork mutiny. Relations with the Soviets were improved after the Treaty of Tartu in 1920, in which Finland gained Petsamo, but gave up its claims on East Karelia. Peace between Finland and the Soviet Union was ensured by this peace treaty though the Finnish people had a hard time believing that.

Source: Wikipedia – with some twists/changes to contribute to the rest of the AAR.
 
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Some interesting goals. Good luck with it, you set yourself a challenge I think. Especially getting out of Talvisota without losing territory looks tough.

Thanks and I've never played Finland, so this could go a) good, b) ok or c) really really bad. Also, I don't know if I have made it too difficult for myself with the listed restrictions, but on the other hand, writing a loosing AAR could also be a lot of fun.

This sounds interesting. As a side note I will point out that today is 75th anniversary on the Shelling of Mainila. Soviet Union used this incident as a casus belli against Finland which led to the Winter War.

Great, put some extra pressure on me ;). Unintentional timing of starting this AAR on my behalf.... without being narcissistic. Hopefully I won't disappoint you nor embarrass you (or any of my Finnish friends) while writing this AAR.
 
I think any decent Soviet AI should be able to beat Finland in couple of months in the Winter War. I think the most important issue for the Finnish player is to keep his forces intact. After that Finland should be able to sign a peace with SU. Then you need to wait for the Operation Barbarossa and join the Axis if you choose the historical path.
 
Introducing: Baron Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim
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Baron Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim was a Finnish military leader and statesman. Mannerheim served as the military leader of the Whites in the Finnish Civil War, Regent of Finland (1918–1919) and commander-in-chief of Finland's defence.

Mannerheim was born in the Grand Duchy of Finland, Russian Empire, into a family of Swedish-speaking aristocrats who had settled in Finland in the late 18th century. His paternal German ancestor Marhein had emigrated to Sweden during the 17th century. His maternal ancestry has its roots in Södermanland, Sweden. Because of Gustaf Mannerheim's serious discipline problems in school, he was send to the school of the Finnish Cadet Corps in Hamina in 1882 to learn self-discipline and a profession. Even so. the disciplinary problems continued. Mannerheim heartily disliked the school and the narrow social circles in Hamina. In the end, he rebelled by going on leave without permission in 1886, for which he was expelled from the Finnish Cadet Corps. As a military career in the Finnish Army was closed to Gustaf Mannerheim, the only choice left was a career in the Russian armed forces, where he made it to the rank of lieutenant general.

In January 1918, the senate of the newly independent Finland, under Pehr Evind Svinhufvud, appointed Mannerheim Commander-in-Chief of Finland's almost nonexistent army, which was then not much more than some locally set up White Guards. Mannerheim's mission was to defend the Government and its forces during the Civil War that broke out in Finland. He accepted the position despite misgivings about the pro-German stance of the government. He established his headquarters in Vaasa and began to disarm the Russian garrisons and their 42,500 men. During the Civil War, Mannerheim was promoted to General of Cavalry (Ratsuväenkenraali) in March 1918.

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Mannerheim leading the victory parade at the end of the Finnish Civil War in Helsinki, 1918

During the 1920’s, Mannerheim left the public offices and his pursuits were mainly humanitarian. He headed the Finnish Red Cross, was member of the board of the International Red Cross, and founded the Mannerheim League for Child Welfare. He was also the chairman of the supervisory board of a commercial bank, and after its merger with the Bank of Helsinki, the chairman of the supervisory board of that bank until 1934. He was also a member of the board of Nokia Corporation. After that he was asked to return as Commander-in-Chief of the Finnish army. Mannerheim supported Finland's military industry and sought in vain to establish a military defence union with Sweden. However, rearming the Finnish army did not occur as swiftly or as well as he hoped, and he was not enthusiastic about a war. Mainly division between various political parties slowed down the process of rearming the military forces and in December 1935, the budget on military spending were suspended for an undefined period of time.

Source: Wikipedia – with a lot of changes in the last part to fit the story
 
I think any decent Soviet AI should be able to beat Finland in couple of months in the Winter War. I think the most important issue for the Finnish player is to keep his forces intact. After that Finland should be able to sign a peace with SU. Then you need to wait for the Operation Barbarossa and join the Axis if you choose the historical path.

With this last pre-game update I feel it is fairly easy to say that choosing the historical path is not an option anymore. Though that is never the plan with me, but perhaps I should try a historical path someday.

I have to start my game, haven't done that yet. But I reckon my strategy prior to the Winter War will be in the lines of increasing IC, build fortifications and when able (better said, when the AI decides the Anschluss event should fire) build troops. With the no building any military units restriction, I wanted to compensate that a little by making it a custom game so that I am not completely useless as a player.
 
So, now I am about to start my game (had no time earlier) and I was just wondering. If I join Axis before the Winter War, will the SU still start the Winter War? I asume they don't nut given the fact that I've never played Finland, I do not know.
 
I'll be tagging along for sure. Will be interesting to see if you can meet your goals (especially not losing any territory). Couldn't you join the Axis after the Winter War? Storywise, it makes sense since the Reds forced your people to join the Axis. Though, that's just my opinion :p.
 
No, the Soviets will not launch the Winter War if Finland joins a faction before it. Because if they do, they get dragged into a faction war.
I was once so threathening as Germany that I pushed the Finns into the Allies in 1939. Winter War didn't launch, cause if it had, there would've been war between Allies and Comintern.

Edit: I checked the event:

FIN = {
not = { alliance_with = GER }
not = { alliance_with = SOV }
is_in_any_faction = no

And blklizard, that doesn't only make sense, it's historically accurate and what the Finnish AI does, so yes that's perfectly fine.

I should probably mention I wrote a rather large essay on the Winter War a few years ago. Don't worry, I won't bore you with piles of little facts.
 
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Thanks and I'll stick to remaining factionless till after the Winter War. On a side note, we already established that I am not really good at doing the historically accurate thing ;). I don't mind the facts though, better said, I probably like them just don't try to correct me in the story hahaha
 
Thanks and I'll stick to remaining factionless till after the Winter War. On a side note, we already established that I am not really good at doing the historically accurate thing ;). I don't mind the facts though, better said, I probably like them just don't try to correct me in the story hahaha

Don't worry I won't go berserk if the battle of Raate road starts a day late.The wrong Russian general on the wrong division on the other hand... :p
 
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I don't have much to say about the gameplay, so I'll focus on minutia: was there ever a name for the concept of a Finland-lend union of the Nordic countries? Scandinavia just doesn't seem like the right name for a Finnish Empire ruling over the Scandinavian and Jutland Peninsulas.
 
Don't worry I won't go berserk if the battle of Raate road starts a day late.The wrong Russian general on the wrong division on the other hand... :p

You cannot hold me accountable for what the Russians do mate! :blink: :D

I don't have much to say about the gameplay, so I'll focus on minutia: was there ever a name for the concept of a Finland-lend union of the Nordic countries? Scandinavia just doesn't seem like the right name for a Finnish Empire ruling over the Scandinavian and Jutland Peninsulas.

Empire of Gormytorysh? Or is that a wee bit too narcissistic? Let me first try to survive the Winter War before I can even look beyond that.

I'll get an update up and we'll see ;).
 
Some details of the game and AAR:

Expansion: Their Finest Hour
Mods: none (still like vanilla and having trouble with the way mods are in general)
Difficulty: normal - though a Custom game(!!)
Nation chosen: Finland
Writing style: Timeline, history book and stories.

Next update will have to take a little longer. Last night I did do a custom game where I did not change a lot of things and everything still went way too easy, so I will restart a regular game and may even do a hard difficulty. Just to clearify, I played the winter war, which was fun to do, but I "won". Meaning, the SU did not get any territory, and I did get my cores back. So before everything is turning into a Finnish blob again, I reconsider the custom game part, think about the difficulty level and start over.
 
Some details of the game and AAR:

Expansion: Their Finest Hour
Mods: none (still like vanilla and having trouble with the way mods are in general)
Difficulty: Hard- not a Custom game(!!)
Nation chosen: Finland
Writing style: Timeline, history book and stories.

New focus, new settings. Worst thing that could happen is that I fail misserably.
 
I thought we were friends?

1-1-1936 – Convoy ships construction ordinance issued
With the decision of the parliament to cease all military production activities, Finland decided to focus more on trade. Contracts for importing and exporting resources and goods were signed, but the lack of a decent amount of convoy ships prevented Finland from fully exploiting the newly signed contracts. Therefor the convoy ships construction ordinance was issued on this date.

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100 new ships were ordered

1-1-1937 – Prepare for War act issued
After the independence from Russia, the main threat came from the east. Stalin regarded Finland as a hostile province which should be put back under Soviet control. When the winter of 1936 started, more troops were moving along the Soviet border and threats from Moscow and Soviet propaganda became more eminent. Field Marshal Mannerheim, he was promoted to this rank in 1936, requested steps, to be taken by the government, to prepare for a war with the Soviet Union. The Finnish government responded accordingly and mainly the industry was to prepare itself for a large quantity of orders. The ‘Prepare for War’ Act was issued.

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Who needs peace?

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Soviet concentration of troops along the border

30-5-1937 – Basic mobilisation
In March, April and May an increase of Soviet troops was reported to the Finnish government. A basic mobilisation was ordered.

16-7-1937 – Full mobilisation
Mannerheim urges the Finnish government to increase efforts in industry, also requests to resume spending on military equipment. The efforts in industry are increased, the request is denied. Mannerheim writes a letter of resignation, but does not hand it in.

8-8-1937 – War economy
Another increase in the industry is issued and resources are stockpiled in case it is needed. Mannerheim makes another request as the Finnish forces are heavily outnumbered when the Soviet Union invades Finland. The request is denied again, and again Mannerheim writes a letter of resignation, but does not hand it in. This process would go on for the remainder of the year.

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Mobilisation of industry

18-3-1938 – Anschluss of Austria
Austria, from this day forth, is part of Germany. While other European countries have been building equipment and training troops, Finland has been sitting along the side-lines doing practically nothing. With the Anschluss in effect, and of course another request from Mannerheim, the Finnish government decides to resume production of ammunition, new military material and training troops.

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The new German borders

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Troops and artillery should be ready in a few months

March – August 1939
With the annexation of Czech part of Czechoslovakia, various European countries started to mobilize their armies. Also, in themonths that followed Soviet troops seem to take their positions along the Finnish – Soviet border. The Finnish government changed the voluntary status of the army to a professional one, including drafting men to join the armies.

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Germany in March 1939

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The conscription laws changed 3 times within 4 months time

20-9-1939 – Mobilization
After Germany declared war on Poland, Finland set the Mobilization act in motion. All weekend leave passes were revoked and every soldier was to return to the barracks.

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Mobilization Act

14-10-1939 – Poland annexed
After Poland surrendered to Germany, the Molotov – von Ribbentrop pact was “announced” to the world.

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Poland conquered by Germany and the Soviet Union

7-11-1939 – Denmark annexed
Germany annexes Denmark fast to decrease a threat from the North, if there was any. During the rest of November there were some minor border incidents with the Soviets. This could lead to a troublesome war because Finland is not quite prepared yet.

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Denmark Annexed, so much for the Finns ruling all of Scandinavia someday