Do you lose the benefits of pre westernized reforms after westernization?

That's a good question, I realize I've always thought that the benefits of these reforms was just to put up to the same level of a civilized country, so when you westernize you're not losing the benefits you're losing the malus and the benefits and it evens out.

You lose bonuses, such as education efficiency, for example, but you keep the technologies, factories, naval bases etc...

Yep. If that reform unlocks a technology, you keep it after westernizing. So when you pass that reform that enables recruitment of infantry, what it really does is that it gives you that tech which allows infantry recruitment, and so it will stay with you even after westernization.

Bonuses...I am not sure about them.

You lose bonuses from these reforms, but you gain bonuses from technology, and being civilized power.

Will Steel said:

Yep. If that reform unlocks a technology, you keep it after westernizing. .

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I agree, unless you research experimental railroad. There is high chance that you will lose it after early westernization...

No bonus is kept. f I recall correctly, you receive a set of techs based on current civilized GPs tech development.

You lose everything, including techs. That's why you should always aim to westernize as quickly as possible without regard for what reforms you take.

maxirage said:

You lose everything, including techs. That's why you should always aim to westernize as quickly as possible without regard for what reforms you take.

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You keep forts and factories.

maxirage said:

You lose everything, including techs. That's why you should always aim to westernize as quickly as possible without regard for what reforms you take.

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You keep the Fort, the Factories, and the Railroads (the buildings, not the tech) from those particular reforms, but everything else is lost, yes. The Fort comes with a must-have Westernization tech anyway (as it increases Research Points on Conquest which is the main way any given state Westernizes), and the Cement Factory tech is one of the most efficient in terms of Civilization Progress per Research Point, so you should have that anyway. It can occasionally be a worthwhile choice waiting an extra 6 months in tersm of Westernization for the Railroad tech because of the effects Railroads have on factories - increased throughput and output. If you are a relatively small country and the state in which your capital is situated has a particularly useful good (Coal, Wheat, Fruit) then it's definitely worth considering the minor delay to get the Railroads, because they'll have a bigger over-all effect on your nation than merely getting an extra tech will and they slow you down only marginally compared to other research routes. You're right aside from that.