There are a lot of differences in the ending map of EU4 and the starting map of Vicky 2. This thread is for discussing these changes and how they came to be.
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Arer you suggesting a game for this timeframe? Something like 1815-1848, the World in revolution and industrialization?
The main reason why the maps look so different between EUIVs 1821 end date and the Victoria II start date is because the Victoria II map is a lot more detailed and accurate. Europe in 1821 should look more or less exactly like in 1836 except for Greece not yet having won her independence war against the Ottoman Empire. The Victoria II map is very detailed and accurate, while the EUIV map is an abstraction at best.
Yes, of course! Thanks. Belgium also won her independence war. Although, for game play reasons or something, they have not given Luxembourg the Arlon province and Belgium doesn't have the Limburg province. I think they should own those and rather make those provinces switch hand as part of the treaty of London decision.
Given the massive timeframe of EU4 and the resulting change of borders during that time (in contrast to the rather static Europe under the system of Vienna and the alliance systems of the late 19th century), anything but an abstraction is simply not possible.
Not really. That is no excuse to leave the map the way it is. There are so many changes they could do to make the map more accurate over the entire timeline even without adding provinces.
No, changing the map. Adjusting province borders, moving some provinces around etc.
I have not enough knowledge of the rest of the world to say anything about the quality of the AoW map, but if it is "as detailed as Europe is" as Paradox claimed, I would start to worry...
the EU4 map was designed specifically the way it was because historical borders didnt work gameplay wise; they mentioned it in dev diaries and everything
besides, historical provinces in a game spanning 400 years leaves us with the same problem making the map be 1936 does to vicky2
They never tried. They will never try. This is no excuse to leave the map as unfinished as it is now. The map is simply just wrong. Some provinces are off by hundreds of kilometres, which is just not acceptable. I realise that it is a game, but there are so many small things they can do without adding more provinces that would dramatically increase the accuracy of the map for the whole game.
This is just wrong. The Victoria II map is actually almost entirely correct from 1815 to 2014. The only modern border that is wrong is the South Sudanese-Sudanese border, but South Sudan was not an independent country when the game came out, so it is excused. A few enclaves/conclaves and really small border corrections might also be needed, but it is extremely accurate even for today and the vast majority of the time between 1815 and now.
This is partially true and a bit sad, but you can't expect everything to come from vanilla. What is even more weird is that mods like for example VeF or MPM (with the notable exception of M&T which seem to take this more into consideration) basically seems to stick with that approach in Europe. But I guess those mods are "gameplay" oriented mapmods which does not care about it much. Also the factor that map modding is tedious might scare off those kind of major mods to make any changes to that aspect of vanilla and that is fully understandable as it really is more work than most of the other modding tasks. VeF and M&T does cover the 1821 to 1836 timeframe though, but both with their different visions.
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I really don't think that the reason 1821-1836 is unrepresented is because of the map.
Agreed. It's just an innocent oversight on PDS's part. Stuff happens.
They should just add the period to Vicky III.
1821 isn't a particularly great start date though. You would start part-way through the Latin American wars of independence.
During the Napoleonic wars in Europe? That does not sound like a good start for Victoria 3, that is a game based upon the congress of Europe and the few changes (listed above) that happened later.
unless i am misunderstanding what you wrote the Napoleonic wars ended in 1815 not 1821, he is refering to the wars of independence in latin america that started during the Napoleonic wars and ended in 1833. im sure they could model that into a potential Vikki 3 they just need some dynamic and historical events, and it would be an interesting game if you could try and keep your empire as spain and portugal.