Jewish exiles to Khazaria

VoiceGS · Nov 6, 2014

Hey

I have been wanting to play a Jewish game from the Charlemagne start as Khazaria but as everyone knows they start as Tengri. But, in the 2.2.0.1 patch beta notes I read that Jewish exiles are more likely to move to Khazaria but I was wondering if anyone knew that when that is likely to happen? Do they need to reform Tengri religion first? Do they need to be Feudal?

If anyone has played and can remember when they received the Jewish Exile event that would be great if you could tell me what year that was around so I could have a good idea.

I also tried to have a look in the event files but couldnt find any info on that so if anyone knows the event folder and could let me know that would be nice as well.

Thanks.

Voice

Jorlem · Nov 6, 2014

The "exiles" are just the normal Jewish courtier appears events, which can't normally trigger for pagans. It is rather deceptively worded.

VoiceGS · Nov 7, 2014

Hey

Ah ok. Thanks for that info.

Voice

CiaoGamer · Nov 7, 2014

I think there should be a special chance for the Khazars to spawn female Jewish exiles. So that you can marry and insta-convert if you so want.

mrflibble · Nov 7, 2014

CiaoGamer said:
I think there should be a special chance for the Khazars to spawn female Jewish exiles. So that you can marry and insta-convert if you so want.

The even better special chance would be for the Khazar Khan to just get an event with the options to convert to Judaism or stay Tengri. I don't know much about Khazar history, but I really doubt the reason they historically converted to Judaism was because random ashkenazi Jews decided, out of all the steppe tribes, to settle in Khazaria. Currently it's like the Jews are showing up because they know in the future the Tengri Khazars convert to Judaism.

ikoko · Nov 7, 2014

^This

imperium3 · Nov 7, 2014

mrflibble said:
The even better special chance would be for the Khazar Khan to just get an event with the options to convert to Judaism or stay Tengri. I don't know much about Khazar history, but I really doubt the reason they historically converted to Judaism was because random ashkenazi Jews decided, out of all the steppe tribes, to settle in Khazaria. Currently it's like the Jews are showing up because they know in the future the Tengri Khazars convert to Judaism.

IIRC they converted to Judaism because it was a way to stay on good terms with both the Byzantines and the Muslims without having to pick a side (ofc ingame it just means they get Holy Warred by both...).

Intriguingly, back in the sixth century the khaganates of that region even flirted with Buddhism for a while...

Jorlem · Nov 7, 2014

imperium3 said:
IIRC they converted to Judaism because it was a way to stay on good terms with both the Byzantines and the Muslims without having to pick a side (ofc ingame it just means they get Holy Warred by both...).

Intriguingly, back in the sixth century the khaganates of that region even flirted with Buddhism for a while...

Maybe give them (or Jews in general) a flag that prevents other Abrahamic faiths from holy warring them, unless they've declared a holy war on a ruler of that faith first?

unmerged(143216) · Nov 7, 2014

mrflibble said:
The even better special chance would be for the Khazar Khan to just get an event with the options to convert to Judaism or stay Tengri. I don't know much about Khazar history, but I really doubt the reason they historically converted to Judaism was because random ashkenazi Jews decided, out of all the steppe tribes, to settle in Khazaria. Currently it's like the Jews are showing up because they know in the future the Tengri Khazars convert to Judaism.

IIRC the story was that the ruler at the time called Christian, Muslim, and Jewish religious leaders to convince them on their respective faiths and he chose Judaism.

Prince de Conti · Nov 7, 2014

A manuscript in the Cairo Geniza, written by a supposed Khazarian, seems to suggest that the conversion was a result of Jewish exiles fleeing Muslim persecution in Persia, whether it was the result of any real conversion or intermarriage is rather ambiguous.

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VoiceGS

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ikoko

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imperium3

Fascist and disgusting

Jorlem

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