Succession Laws

kittydecay said:

Playing as Mercia in 769 I was able to immediately change succession laws to anything, even Primogeniture. Is this working as intended?

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What are you talking about? You haven't had to play for 10 years, just ruled for 10.

kittydecay said:

Also, on forming the Kingdom of England my succession law reverted back to Gavelkind (from Primogeniture), is that also supposed to happen?

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I think so, since primogeniture requires high CA.

Succession laws ignore Crown Authority if the parent kingdom doesn't exist and you are independent.


Succession law resetting has been an issue for a very long time, and IIRC at some point Paradox apparently tried to fix it, but that was months ago.

AchedTeacher said:

I think so, since primogeniture requires high CA.

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That shouldn't be the case, for the same reason that you don't lose Primo if you lower to Medium Authority through faction for example.

Succession laws ought to transfer to a created de-jure parent and I am very much sure that it was meant to be so.

kittydecay said:

I thought you had to have High Crown Authority to change to Primogeniture?

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Well if you are a duke under a de jure kingdom that does not exist, this is not necessary.

Yes. If I recall correctly, if the de-jure kingdom doesn't yet exist, you can institute Primo as a Duke. And after that, if you form the kingdom, the kingdom will take the succession laws of the duchy.

Guess the part about kingdom inheriting the duchy succession law has been fixed, so that everyone starts the ladder with Gavelkind.

I am kinda new to CK2 and played one game - complete learning experience - as Duke of Ulster aiming at eventually becoming Emperor of Britania in pre-CM patch version.

Leaving gavelkind to primogeniture was cakewalk, it took just the 10 years of ruling and then presto by the time I became King of Ireland I had primogeniture.

Then patch came and decided to begin anew as King Karl in West Francia aiming at HRE and eventually I do not know where (NB: Still this is a learning experience as evident in the few threads I have started with questions).

Here, gavelkind is almost an insurmountable issue as to get to primogeniture I need high CA AND Legalism at 3!!!!! Now former OK to achieve in the span of 2-3 kings but level 3 Legalism requires something like 600 points in 800AD or so....

I do not know if this change was introduced with 2.2 (don't know if it is even a change!) but it seems to me to have been made too hard. I do not know if this is to reflect a historic reality but I do not see why primogeniture may have been such an achievement over the centuries. Then again I may be wrong