Full annexation. Honor the pact with the USA, it won't matter too much. Control of the East Coast is far too tempting a proposition to pass up.
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This. Free the deep south from their slavery to the Longs; they need a proper education to understand their folly in allowing them control to begin with, and they'll only get that from a benevolent Reconstruction.
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Sorry for the delay in responding- I'm back on campus and its been a busy couple of days.
That being said: While I do enjoy reading the suggestions (the referendum one in particular is something I hadn't thought of), I will have the formal vote at the end of the war. Which should be in either the next update (if Long totally collapses) or the one after it.
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That being said: While I do enjoy reading the suggestions (the referendum one in particular is something I hadn't thought of), I will have the formal vote at the end of the war. Which should be in either the next update (if Long totally collapses) or the one after it.
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Methinks Canada's reply would be along the lines of "Come and take it"
Also, does the Confederation, as a wholly Atlantic nation, need the Panama Canal as much as transcontinental Canada would? (Not considering the British Empire as a whole)
It'd be a shame, though; it appears McCain will have to run for Prime Minister come 2008 instead of President
Methinks Canada's reply would be along the lines of "Come and take it"
Also, does the Confederation, as a wholly Atlantic nation, need the Panama Canal as much as transcontinental Canada would? (Not considering the British Empire as a whole)
It'd be a shame, though; it appears McCain will have to run for Prime Minister come 2008 instead of President
Meh, it's the principle of the thing.
You could create the free city of New Orleans then have a demilitarized zone along the Mississippi. For the rest of it agree with the map but i personally would be against annexing or liberating or whatever euphemism we want to use the rest of it. It would become so difficult to deal with as well as changing the make up of the country. The war is being fought for security not conquest!
But that's just my thoughts xD
Great update as always
But that's just my thoughts xD
Great update as always
Meh, it's the principle of the thing.
Hmmm, if we're so happy with teaming up with Ike, maybe we can bully the Canadians into giving it up XD besides, New England is the little Midwest, always has been.
Though, if we're so teamy with Ike, he'll always be able to lord his awkward D.C exclave over us; Three Dog is sad.
Sorry for the delay in posts everyone. I'm currently aiming to get the next update up tomorrow or, failing that, Saturday.
Aaannndd...here it is!
Operation 'Anaconda' was the name coined by Confederation command for the battles to surround the Union capital of Richmond. Originally coined by a history-minded member of the General Staff- a direct call back to the famous 'Anaconda Plan' of the First Civil War -this plan was simple. By surrounding Richmond, the Confederation could gradually cut the Union off from it's leadership. Even in the days of modern radio communication, a surrounded capital was going to harm the enemy army. Morale most notably, as having your leadership cut off and surrounded was doing no favors to the military. Such was the logic behind the plan, as Confederation forces began attacking the town of Danville, 'gate' to Norfolk.
The forces involved in the battle of Danville were almost overwhelming, in fact. Twelve Confederation and one Plains divisions, against a mere three exhausted units on the side of the Union. The result was a foregone conclusion, and with the fall of Danville, the noose around Richmond continued to grow ever tighter.
Texas, a front of the war entirely under Plains Republic control, was proving a harder nut to crack. For every time Eisenhower got troops into the state, the Union pushed back and fought hard. This was likely due to the Texans themselves...always fiercely independent, they had no desire to go back to the rule of Denver. This showed in the match-up of forces in El Paso, the frontline between the Republic and Union. Whereas Ike had three exhausted divisions, stretched to their limits in a war most could care less about, the Union had five- mostly -fresh divisions, with better equipment. This was just one battle, but it was highly indicative of the overall tone of the battle on the western side of the Mississippi.
While the Confederation troops were no more happy about this war than their counterparts, they had the advantage of a stable government and supply chains. The Plains Republic lacked either- the Eisenhower Junta was still unpopular at best, and the partisan activity was straining the supply lines. This showed, as the forces in El Paso were forced out of Texas with little effort on Long's part.
Even with the advantages the Confederation Army had however, it was not by any means an easy war on their end either. The Union resistance began stiffening, once they realized the way the war was going. More appropriately, the moment Long and his generals realized that the end-goal of the Confederation was surrounding Richmond. Nowhere was this newfound determination clearer than in a stunning move to retake Raleigh. The Confederation forces, overstretched in that sector of the line, were hit by the elite of the Union army...and shattered. They made the southern forces pay for every inch...but nonetheless, the Confederation was forced out, opening a line from Richmond down south.
The fact that this line was quickly closed by reinforcements from the North did little to change the fact that the Union still had fight in them.
The Naval theater was still dominated by the Confederation Navy however. The last Union battleship, FUS Virgina and her escorts had made an attempt to break the blockade, and run right into the guns of both Confederation battleships. The resulting battle was short and fierce, but the conclusion was a foregone one. Even though the Virginia was a more modern battleship than either of the old Confederation warships, it still bore wounds from the last time the two fleets had clashed. By contrast, this was a fresh Confederation force they had run into.
Even a more advanced ship could be taken down. Virgina and a squadron of Union destroyers were sent to the bottom of the Atlantic, as the rest of the fleet fled from the area. The slower Confederation fleet couldn't chase them down, and instead continued to run interdiction on blockade runners. There was nothing the Union navy could do to influence the war, any longer.
The Confederation Navy, by contrast, remained very effective. The heavy guns of the battleships and cruisers had provided offshore support during the attack on Norfolk, the last barrier before Richmond was totally surrounded. With the naval support and overwhelming numbers- the vast majority of the Confederation Army was concentrated around Richmond, with only small forces pushing the Union back towards Florida -it didn't take long for the city to fall. The dockyards were ruined by the retreating Unioners, but at the least, the city was under Confederation control.
And, as an unusual message came from Denver, it was not the only one.
In a shocking, and still ill-understood move, Eisenhower had pulled the Plains garrison from Washington D.C.. A formal message was then sent to Philadelphia...the Plains Republic had given up their claim on D.C.. The City was under Confederation control now, and they could do with it what they wished. It wasn't easy to understand why the government that considered itself the successor to the United States would cede the historical capital...
But then again, it was possible that Ike had merely not wanted to have an isolated enclave, when all the other territory under his control was on the wrong side of the Mississippi. Regardless of the reason, D.C. was now a Confederation city...though the Capital would remain in Philadelphia, even after the Gulf War.
A war that was quickly coming to its conclusion. Most of the Union had been occupied, with only southern Texas and Florida maintaining any significant resistance. And of course, the prize of the entire campaign...Richmond. Where the battle that would end the war was just beginning...
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Next update will be a narrative bit for the Battle of Richmond, with the one after that having the peace treaty (and vote)
As for D.C....well, I don't know how that happened. I'm just going around blowing things up, and the next thing I know Ike's giving me Washington for free. Quite odd, Core or no Core. I suppose Ike only had a claim, not a core, there...but still.
12. The Gulf War: September '42-December '42
Operation 'Anaconda' was the name coined by Confederation command for the battles to surround the Union capital of Richmond. Originally coined by a history-minded member of the General Staff- a direct call back to the famous 'Anaconda Plan' of the First Civil War -this plan was simple. By surrounding Richmond, the Confederation could gradually cut the Union off from it's leadership. Even in the days of modern radio communication, a surrounded capital was going to harm the enemy army. Morale most notably, as having your leadership cut off and surrounded was doing no favors to the military. Such was the logic behind the plan, as Confederation forces began attacking the town of Danville, 'gate' to Norfolk.
The forces involved in the battle of Danville were almost overwhelming, in fact. Twelve Confederation and one Plains divisions, against a mere three exhausted units on the side of the Union. The result was a foregone conclusion, and with the fall of Danville, the noose around Richmond continued to grow ever tighter.
Texas, a front of the war entirely under Plains Republic control, was proving a harder nut to crack. For every time Eisenhower got troops into the state, the Union pushed back and fought hard. This was likely due to the Texans themselves...always fiercely independent, they had no desire to go back to the rule of Denver. This showed in the match-up of forces in El Paso, the frontline between the Republic and Union. Whereas Ike had three exhausted divisions, stretched to their limits in a war most could care less about, the Union had five- mostly -fresh divisions, with better equipment. This was just one battle, but it was highly indicative of the overall tone of the battle on the western side of the Mississippi.
While the Confederation troops were no more happy about this war than their counterparts, they had the advantage of a stable government and supply chains. The Plains Republic lacked either- the Eisenhower Junta was still unpopular at best, and the partisan activity was straining the supply lines. This showed, as the forces in El Paso were forced out of Texas with little effort on Long's part.
Even with the advantages the Confederation Army had however, it was not by any means an easy war on their end either. The Union resistance began stiffening, once they realized the way the war was going. More appropriately, the moment Long and his generals realized that the end-goal of the Confederation was surrounding Richmond. Nowhere was this newfound determination clearer than in a stunning move to retake Raleigh. The Confederation forces, overstretched in that sector of the line, were hit by the elite of the Union army...and shattered. They made the southern forces pay for every inch...but nonetheless, the Confederation was forced out, opening a line from Richmond down south.
The fact that this line was quickly closed by reinforcements from the North did little to change the fact that the Union still had fight in them.
The Naval theater was still dominated by the Confederation Navy however. The last Union battleship, FUS Virgina and her escorts had made an attempt to break the blockade, and run right into the guns of both Confederation battleships. The resulting battle was short and fierce, but the conclusion was a foregone one. Even though the Virginia was a more modern battleship than either of the old Confederation warships, it still bore wounds from the last time the two fleets had clashed. By contrast, this was a fresh Confederation force they had run into.
Even a more advanced ship could be taken down. Virgina and a squadron of Union destroyers were sent to the bottom of the Atlantic, as the rest of the fleet fled from the area. The slower Confederation fleet couldn't chase them down, and instead continued to run interdiction on blockade runners. There was nothing the Union navy could do to influence the war, any longer.
The Confederation Navy, by contrast, remained very effective. The heavy guns of the battleships and cruisers had provided offshore support during the attack on Norfolk, the last barrier before Richmond was totally surrounded. With the naval support and overwhelming numbers- the vast majority of the Confederation Army was concentrated around Richmond, with only small forces pushing the Union back towards Florida -it didn't take long for the city to fall. The dockyards were ruined by the retreating Unioners, but at the least, the city was under Confederation control.
And, as an unusual message came from Denver, it was not the only one.
In a shocking, and still ill-understood move, Eisenhower had pulled the Plains garrison from Washington D.C.. A formal message was then sent to Philadelphia...the Plains Republic had given up their claim on D.C.. The City was under Confederation control now, and they could do with it what they wished. It wasn't easy to understand why the government that considered itself the successor to the United States would cede the historical capital...
But then again, it was possible that Ike had merely not wanted to have an isolated enclave, when all the other territory under his control was on the wrong side of the Mississippi. Regardless of the reason, D.C. was now a Confederation city...though the Capital would remain in Philadelphia, even after the Gulf War.
A war that was quickly coming to its conclusion. Most of the Union had been occupied, with only southern Texas and Florida maintaining any significant resistance. And of course, the prize of the entire campaign...Richmond. Where the battle that would end the war was just beginning...
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Next update will be a narrative bit for the Battle of Richmond, with the one after that having the peace treaty (and vote)
As for D.C....well, I don't know how that happened. I'm just going around blowing things up, and the next thing I know Ike's giving me Washington for free. Quite odd, Core or no Core. I suppose Ike only had a claim, not a core, there...but still.
Have the southern occupied territories vote on joining the Confederation minus the Mississippi Security Zone. I am leery of a rump puppet state since we do not know how stable it will be. Then focus on army and air force technologies to knock out the Plains Republic.
A good victory, but the border with Ike is getting long... Are we voting on whether to keep our side of the agreement btw?
Ike is looking quite strong right now...fortunately you should have the richer territory both in manpower and industrial capability.
I am very much looking forward on how the vote will look like! Will it be an event-one, like the last time?
I am very much looking forward on how the vote will look like! Will it be an event-one, like the last time?
That could be a potential option, yes.
Right now, my army is cutting edge. Air Force is rather less so, since I lack a good tech team. It's being worked on though.
A good victory, but the border with Ike is getting long... Are we voting on whether to keep our side of the agreement btw?
Nope. We're keeping to the agreement, the vote will be on what to do with the Union
Yep. Any vote in here will be on events. In this case, it'll be a more complex one considering the potential options at hand.
Several...full annexation, various ways to take territory and leave a rump state...stuff like that. Can't say specifics until the actual vote though.
Naturally
hmm... perhaps you could script in something about Ike moving towards the De jure creation of a Plains Republic? That would explain the giving up of D.C in the context of the story.
The question is do you want to be a defacto US or does the confederation want to form its own identity, the name of the country is called the confederation of the great lakes so surely annexing places like Georgia and the Carolina's would be a bit hypocritical. but nevertheless great update
13. Treaty of Richmond
As Confederation troops stormed into Richmond, they found fierce opposition from the Presidential Guard of the Federated Union. The absolute best troops, and the most fiercely loyal to the Long Brothers, due in large part to being formed of former Minutemen. These troops would neither surrender easily, or fall back easily. Richmond's streets and buildings became deathtraps, as the Union forces used each and every one as a miniature fortress. With the Plain's airforce occupied in Texas and the Confederation's lack of heavy airpower, it was very difficult to dislodge these troops from their well-prepared positions.
Much of the city was leveled in the fighting, as it became reminiscent of the reports coming from Europe, where the Commune was fighting in much the same way, as they were pushed back towards the Spanish border.
The same was true in Richmond, where the Union forces were pushed back towards the center of the city. Confederation and Plains forces were fighting a foe that grew tougher and more dangerous the more it was constricted. Even as the Union troops began to run out of supplies and ammunition, they continued to fight with everything they had. The commonality in weaponry- it was far too soon for the Confederation to design and mass produce new weaponry -allowed the Unioners to use weapons and ammo scavenged from their foes, making up for their own dwindling supplies.
But that was only able to make up for so much. With the net growing ever tighter, it was only a matter of time until Richmond fell. Perhaps realizing this, Earl Long was escorted to the Confederation frontlines by a tattered band of soldiers. He bore a white flag of surrender, his brother nowhere to be found. It is an enduring mystery to this day what happened to Huey Long, in fact. Nonetheless, at the time, all that mattered was that with Earl Long's surrender, the Gulf War came to an end.
And in the shattered ruins of Richmond, the Provisional Government of the Federated Union, President Lindbergh, and President Eisenhower met to formally end the war. The resulting Treaty of Richmond would be one of the most important events in the post-Fracturing United States.
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Yeeeaaahhh...couldn't get the narrative bit to work. Instead, let's jump straight to the next vote!
Option A: 'Lenient Treaty'
The Confederation puppets the Union, while annexing Virgina directly and creating the 'Mississippi Security Zone'- aka, taking the area along the river like was suggested -while Ike gets his piece of the pie on the other side of the river.
Option B: 'Harsh Treaty'
Take the above, and add annexing Tennessee and North Carolina to the Confeds.
Option C: 'Lenient Treaty and Referendum'
A mix of the two...the annexations of the Lenient Treaty, with a referendum that may- or may not -give us the harsh treaties territory.
Side note: Long is gone in all of them. I just took the last screenshot after realizing I missed that while originally coding the event. Whoops.
48 Hours for Voting. One vote per reader.