Part of the problem with the very rigid "count, duke, king, emperor" structure we currently have in-game is that, even with cultural titles like "petty king", we still can't simulate history properly.
An example of this was after the Eastern Irish were conquered by the Anglo-Norman (or arguably Cambro-Norman) knights in the 1100s and rule of law was asserted by King Henry II of England. The King of England at that point controlled enough land (besides patches here and there and the far reaches of Connacht, Munster and most of Ulster) that if he was a CK2 player he would almost be able to proclaim himself King of Ireland, or at least create the title. He actually did, in a way; he named his 9 year old son and heir, Prince John (soon to become Bad King John of England) "Lord of Ireland", thus all the Norman vassals in Ireland were under the rule of the 9 year old Prince. Of course it's important to note that Henry himself didn't really control all that land; his vassals were very powerful and much of his rule was "in name only" but you get the point. The King of England's "vassal" had a title that would be considered "King-level" in-game; this is impossible to simulate in CK2 at this moment.
The title "Lord of Ireland" stayed around right up until Henry the Eighth of England in the 1500s decided that he wanted to be known as King of Ireland, and so the Kingdom of Ireland was created for the first time as a sovereign state, almost of the sort we would recognise today (albeit as an English puppet creation), unlike the ancient Gaelic "High Kingdom" title that passed around whichever Petty King was the strongest on the island. The reason why there was a person called the "Lord Lieutenant of Ireland" from 1171 right up until the establishment of the Irish Free State in 1922 was that the "King of Ireland" title had continuity with the old "Lord of Ireland" title; the Lord Lieutenant was the lieutenant or "deputy" of the real "Lord", or more accurately the Viceroy of the Lord of Ireland.
So based on that we can determine that a theoretical CK2 player, playing as John Lord of Ireland in the 1100s, could be King-level, subordinate to the King of England and also enjoy King-level privileges like Viceroyalty.
When a King, such as the King of England, managed to conquer another Kingdom like Ireland, he didn't just proclaim himself "Emperor of Britannia" or something. He might call himself King of all England and Ireland (I've heard of titles like that), but more likely he would reduce the title to the ambiguous-sounding "Lord" or something similar. Is there a way we can simulate this in-game? Could Kings create a kind of subordinate title between King and Duke called "Lord" to be used for Kingdoms that have been conquered? We need to find some way of simulating the King + subordinate King relationship that went on so much in the middle ages.
An example of this was after the Eastern Irish were conquered by the Anglo-Norman (or arguably Cambro-Norman) knights in the 1100s and rule of law was asserted by King Henry II of England. The King of England at that point controlled enough land (besides patches here and there and the far reaches of Connacht, Munster and most of Ulster) that if he was a CK2 player he would almost be able to proclaim himself King of Ireland, or at least create the title. He actually did, in a way; he named his 9 year old son and heir, Prince John (soon to become Bad King John of England) "Lord of Ireland", thus all the Norman vassals in Ireland were under the rule of the 9 year old Prince. Of course it's important to note that Henry himself didn't really control all that land; his vassals were very powerful and much of his rule was "in name only" but you get the point. The King of England's "vassal" had a title that would be considered "King-level" in-game; this is impossible to simulate in CK2 at this moment.
The title "Lord of Ireland" stayed around right up until Henry the Eighth of England in the 1500s decided that he wanted to be known as King of Ireland, and so the Kingdom of Ireland was created for the first time as a sovereign state, almost of the sort we would recognise today (albeit as an English puppet creation), unlike the ancient Gaelic "High Kingdom" title that passed around whichever Petty King was the strongest on the island. The reason why there was a person called the "Lord Lieutenant of Ireland" from 1171 right up until the establishment of the Irish Free State in 1922 was that the "King of Ireland" title had continuity with the old "Lord of Ireland" title; the Lord Lieutenant was the lieutenant or "deputy" of the real "Lord", or more accurately the Viceroy of the Lord of Ireland.
So based on that we can determine that a theoretical CK2 player, playing as John Lord of Ireland in the 1100s, could be King-level, subordinate to the King of England and also enjoy King-level privileges like Viceroyalty.
When a King, such as the King of England, managed to conquer another Kingdom like Ireland, he didn't just proclaim himself "Emperor of Britannia" or something. He might call himself King of all England and Ireland (I've heard of titles like that), but more likely he would reduce the title to the ambiguous-sounding "Lord" or something similar. Is there a way we can simulate this in-game? Could Kings create a kind of subordinate title between King and Duke called "Lord" to be used for Kingdoms that have been conquered? We need to find some way of simulating the King + subordinate King relationship that went on so much in the middle ages.
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