I've been looking around the net a little and been trying to find maps around the time period but haven't found much. Just curious in 769 are there more zoroastrian states left and does anyone know of any maps, particularly of the middle east around this time?
zoroastrian and maps of 769
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YSes there were more Zoroastrians. The Bavandids were Zoroastrians at this point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavand_dynasty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavand_dynasty
Maybe a few more, but not many, and definitely not strong enough to put up a fight against the Abbasids. There should be quite a few more Zoroastrian provinces though.
Are there any Sassanids still around in 769? I know some ran off to Georgia and elsewhere.
We already have one thread regarding this but I assume we have the Karen, Bavandid & Justanids. They likely have slightly altered starting strength and holdings. Bavandids likely start as dukes in this start for example.
Vandad Hormoz (Karen) led rebellion against Abbasids around this time, destroying several muslim armies. In game terms whole thing eventually ended in white peace
Depending on paradox, there might be some Zoros in de-jure Khiva in form of Sogdians. At least there should be. Whether independent or vassals to turks, remains to be seen. Nonetheless, I am pretty sure have some Zoro vassal or two among turks. If we have Sogdians, they are likely a vassal duchy.
Likewise, Alania should have Zoroastrians and possibly around Afghanistan. At least number of Zoro provinces in map is likely much greater.
Vandad Hormoz (Karen) led rebellion against Abbasids around this time, destroying several muslim armies. In game terms whole thing eventually ended in white peace
Depending on paradox, there might be some Zoros in de-jure Khiva in form of Sogdians. At least there should be. Whether independent or vassals to turks, remains to be seen. Nonetheless, I am pretty sure have some Zoro vassal or two among turks. If we have Sogdians, they are likely a vassal duchy.
Likewise, Alania should have Zoroastrians and possibly around Afghanistan. At least number of Zoro provinces in map is likely much greater.
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Just look in wikipedia for Alania. Paganism and Zoroastrian beliefs stayed there until 10th century. In fact on modding forums people argue that Alania as Orthodox in ToG start is slightly ahistorical.
There is playable character in Alania who has a Zoro son in ToG start btw. Whether this translates to playable character remains to be seen but Zoro provinces certainly.
Hmm... the reference in Wikipedia is to Encyclopedia Iranica, which I thoroughly trust, but the EI article itself doesn't seem to include the statement about Zoroastrianism. The only indication is to a process of Christianization from the 10th century, and a Muslim observation (Ḥodūd al-ʿālam) of a mixture of Christians and idol-worshipers. To be sure, Zoroastrian presence seems a relatively safe inference (I don't object to it as a hypothesis), but there certainly could have been remnants of the pre-Christian polytheism, the remnants of which seem to stand behind Ossetian mythology. 'Idol-worshipers' might be a more fitting term for such practices than Zoroastrianism, which Muslim writers usually denoted by other names.
Yeah, playing as Magkætæ was probably my favorite game in CKII, I love playing in Alania and doing a Zoroastrian game as them was amazing. I posted about it in the Empire thread, http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...K2-empire!&p=16671482&viewfull=1#post16671482
As for Zoroastrianism in Alania historically, it seems quite plausablle and makes sense, given the proximity and that the Alans were Iranian. Even if they weren't Zoroastrian though, Zoroastrian/Iranian Pantheon fits them more than Tengriism. Realistically, they worship the same deities as the Sarmatians, and their traditional Pagan faith survives(and thrives) to this today in Ossetia, but obviously I don't expect them to make a new Pagan religion just for the Alans. I guess they could rework the generic pagan faith, move the holy sites from Africa and Scandinavia(which have their own Pagan faiths) to have one in Ireland and one in Alania. Then just give the generic pagans reformation and make them work like the other defensive pagans. Still, I think it's really awesome they made some of the Magkætæ Zoroastrian, it make the game feel more dynamic by giving in to historical plausibility, which is good to do sometimes.
We already have one thread regarding this but I assume we have the Karen, Bavandid & Justanids. They likely have slightly altered starting strength and holdings. Bavandids likely start as dukes in this start for example.
Vandad Hormoz (Karen) led rebellion against Abbasids around this time, destroying several muslim armies. In game terms whole thing eventually ended in white peace
Depending on paradox, there might be some Zoros in de-jure Khiva in form of Sogdians. At least there should be. Whether independent or vassals to turks, remains to be seen. Nonetheless, I am pretty sure have some Zoro vassal or two among turks. If we have Sogdians, they are likely a vassal duchy.
Likewise, Alania should have Zoroastrians and possibly around Afghanistan. At least number of Zoro provinces in map is likely much greater.
Since the Sogdians also followed Manicheanism and because they influenced the Uyghurs to follow that religion if Paradox doesn't make it a stand alone religion within the Zoroastrian group then the Uyghurs would also be a possible point from which to launch a Zoroastrian game playing as the Manichean heresy