Cannot help a same dynasty vassal

Kurblius · Jul 23, 2014

I am playing as Navarre and the King of England is my vassal. The ruler is the same culture and same dynasty as me. Unfortunately an English Duke has revolted, claiming the Kingdom as his own. The warscore is at 99% in the rebel's favour and there's not a thing I can do. I am not permitted to join his war. This new King hates my guts due to the "Foreigner" modifier and I also lose the +5 same dynasty modifier. I am thinking of granting this new English King independence so that I can press the claim of my kinsman, the old King. Alternatively I can revoke his title, but that would mean getting negative vassal opinion unless my spymaster finds him doing something he's not supposed to be doing. Thoughts?

thevmag · Jul 23, 2014

Vassals' vassals revolting on vassals is rough, since there's not much you can do. You can try gifting money to the side you want to win and hope they buy mercenaries, and there's always the option of assassinating the claimant to end the war on the spot.

In your situation though, granting independence and pushing your kin's claim would be the best of both options if you can get your kin back in your court. Avoids the tyranny, you get a nice cash injection from besieging holdings, and you get a tiny bit of mil tech.

Kurblius · Jul 23, 2014

I think I reset the "England is being incorporated into the Empire of Navarre" thing though if I grant independence.

Actalo · Jul 23, 2014

thevmag said:
You can try gifting money to the side you want to win and hope they buy mercenaries, and there's always the option of assassinating the claimant to end the war on the spot.

Those are probably your best options. However, gifting and hoping the ai buys mercs can be hit or miss. The only way to truly ensure they buy mercs is to take control of the character and purchase mercs for them... which of course you probably already know and wish to avoid. That being said, assassinating the claimant is best. Unless of course, the claimant is the one revolting.

Kurblius · Jul 23, 2014

Actalo said:
Those are probably your best options. However, gifting and hoping the ai buys mercs can be hit or miss. The only way to truly ensure they buy mercs is to take control of the character and purchase mercs for them... which of course you probably already know and wish to avoid. That being said, assassinating the claimant is best. Unless of course, the claimant is the one revolting.

The claimant was the one revolting. He had a temporary title, which prohibited me from assassinating him. But it actually didn't turn out too badly. When my ruler first came to the throne I gave the old King of England the Kingdom of Ireland. It didn't really add any new territory to the King since he already controlled most of Ireland so I figured it was a free opinion booster. However when the new King of England took the title the old king was still left with the Ireland title. As a result it seems the borders of England and Ireland were radically redrawn:

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So my kinsman still has substantial territory, merely weakened a bit. Not an entirely bad thing - I don't want England to become too powerful.

Actalo · Jul 23, 2014

Considering I'm an isolationist-style player who only plays Britannia, it breaks my heart to see the British Isles in so many colors. However, I do see your point.

Kurblius · Jul 23, 2014

I think it's actually quite beautiful. It's like England and Ireland are locked in a ying-yang embrace with a little bit of each in the other. It's intimate.

Actalo · Jul 23, 2014

Kurblius said:
I think it's actually quite beautiful. It's like England and Ireland are locked in a ying-yang embrace with a little bit of each in the other. It's intimate.

Or different colors of play-dough rolled together.

Cyctemic · Jul 23, 2014

Kurblius said:
I think I reset the "England is being incorporated into the Empire of Navarre" thing though if I grant independence.

I'm 99% sure it's not reset. De jure drift works both ways: if it was in Navarra for x years, it will take x years to go down to zero.

Chyll · Jul 23, 2014

Kurblius said:
I think it's actually quite beautiful. It's like England and Ireland are locked in a ying-yang embrace with a little bit of each in the other. It's intimate.

Though what Capua is doing in Scotland looks uncomfortable for everyone....

Kurblius · Jul 23, 2014

Cyctemic said:
I'm 99% sure it's not reset. De jure drift works both ways: if it was in Navarra for x years, it will take x years to go down to zero.

Ah. I will have to try this out at some point. It seems I have more pressing concerns at the moment though since I'm on the cusp of a massive empire-wide revolt. My ruler died before I could change succession laws, giving the throne to my hunchbacked, slothful, and cruel. The hunchback trait gives a -30 to all males in my realm because she's female (which is another -10), plus -5 for all vassals. "Dangerous Factions" risk has surpassed 120% with only 3 out of 150 vassals with a positive opinion of me. Sigh. This is what I get for trying to inherit the HRE.

Chyll said:
Though what Capua is doing in Scotland looks uncomfortable for everyone....

Acquire through marriage. Scotland never got higher Crown Authority than "Medium" so this was possible. I first noticed it when I was prohibited from making a marriage alliance with Scotland for "Political Concerns", which was a bummer. Still, it actually proved useful in my invasion of England some decades later since landing anywhere else other than the provinces around Capua resulted in my troops dying from being "Out of Supply for X days".

NewbieOne · Jul 24, 2014

Rigid/arbitrary rules preventing family assistance have been a problem since release (and have been discussed quite a bit).

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