What to do with North African nations as Spain?

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• Apr 23, 2014

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I'm playing Spain for the first time, currently I have Morocco and Algier. So far I see two options

-annex their lands, with oversea province modifier though I don't know how valuable they will be... the only thing that's good about it is probably their trade power

-annex both, change their lands to christian so when I release them they won't have rebellion everywhere , then hope that one of them will westernize, annex the one that didn't westernize, and feed it to the one that did. economically it's a worse option but at least they'll be useful militarily

if anyone could give me other option I'd appreciate it, thanks

 

solidprice

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• Apr 23, 2014

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Diplo annex. Its trade and extra force limit.
But if you're Spain you should have ate Portugal already.

All of Seville shall be yours!

 

chgrogers

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• Apr 23, 2014

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As Spain Nibble on Oran, Melilla, Ceuta and Tangiers one at a time each time continue to Reconquesta comes up. Since the mission only requires to core 1 each time and get 200 ADM back you can get each one for cheap in ADM points. I don't play with vassal feeding much.

 

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• Apr 23, 2014

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solidprice said:

Diplo annex. Its trade and extra force limit.
But if you're Spain you should have ate Portugal already.

All of Seville shall be yours!

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I don't want to eat Portugal, they're my buddy, plus I'm scared of France and blobbing Austria, both of them hate me :\

"As Spain Nibble on Oran, Melilla, Ceuta and Tangiers one at a time each time continue to Reconquesta comes up. Since the mission only requires to core 1 each time and get 200 ADM back you can get each one for cheap in ADM points. I don't play with vassal feeding much. "

Oh I never did the mission... I didn't even notice it give that much ADM... I'll pay attention that better next time lol xD

 

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• Apr 23, 2014

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I actually find North Afrika to be pretty much worthless. Distant oversea + Berber + Muslim will get you nearly no Money and high revolt risk and it will be very hard to christianize.
I'd say leave them alone for more worthwile targets.

 

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• Apr 23, 2014

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Tangier and, iirc, Oran are Important Centres of Trade and will boost your collect value in Sevilla significantly, letting you focus more of your trade fleet out in the Western Europe node when transferring glorious treasures from the New World.

They're not worth getting Religious ideas for just them, mind you. You should be able to convert them eventually with the Counter-reformation. Until then, you still get full trade power from them, so they might be worth the distraction.

 

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• Apr 23, 2014

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Conquer them for two reasons:
- Trade, if you manage to take all of Morocco you will have lots of power in the Sevilla trade node, so you won't need too many ships there and will be able to use them in the Atlantic
- Keep them away from the Ottos. Most of the times in my games these countries are allied/conquered/vassalized by the Ottos.

 

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I would try to make one or two powerful vassals of that region. One way to accomplish this is to ally a small country (Tunis or Fez if it has been created) and feed them provinces from Morocco and Algeria until they are small enough to vassalize. Then you can turn on this ally and feed the cores back to your vassals. Once the North Africa region is controlled by your vassals, you can annex all but one and sell them the provinces (you will get cores when you annex and there is no need to tie up multiple diplomatic slots for North Africa). As a vassal, they will provide more money than you will make from the overseas, Muslim land. They will also provide a good protection against other aggressors in the region.

 

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• Apr 23, 2014

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Very helpful tips, thanks all!

 

Victor_Yuzo

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• Apr 23, 2014

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I usually just force vassalization and/or conquer and then release as vassals everything out to Tripoli as close to the start of the game as I can. They'll help out in early wars and then you can annex them later on once they become useless.

 

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• Apr 23, 2014

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Tangiers, Melilla, Oran and Ceuta are the only provinces worth taking. I once annexed Morocco and Algiers as Castile and it did much more harm than good, because the provinces turned out to be almost completely worthless and generated nothing but troubles. You could vassalize them if you like, but there are better places to where you can focus your attention, like Italy.

 

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Olaus Petrus said:

Tangiers, Melilla, Oran and Ceuta are the only provinces worth taking. I once annexed Morocco and Algiers as Castile and it did much more harm than good, because the provinces turned out to be almost completely worthless and generated nothing but troubles. You could vassalize them if you like, but there are better places to where you can focus your attention, like Italy.

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I find that having a big vassal there can protect my colonies in western Africa so that I don't have to leave more than a token colonization stack of 5 or so troops there. This alone is worth the one diplomatic slot to maintain the vassal. The only downside is that if you plan to annex a lot of other vassals, keeping one around means accruing 30 negative diplomacy every time you annex another.

 

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• Apr 23, 2014

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solidprice said:

Diplo annex. Its trade and extra force limit.
But if you're Spain you should have ate Portugal already.

All of Seville shall be yours!

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No. Don't eat Portugal. Let them colonize for you. Vassalize them and integrate once America is fully colonized. Generally speaking, a Portugal is good for Spain, since it colonizes, brings trades, has merchants (so there is spanish and portuguese merchants bringing trade to sevilla), etc. Unless you're doing a continental Spain, letting Portugal alive brings more benefits than else (just conquer a province with trade modifier or spam light ships in sevilla, which you should do anyway).

Edit : though, there's the bug that you don't get a vassal CN when you integrate, but it will be fixed.