Educating Heirs

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• Apr 14, 2014

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I'm not sure if I'm just having consistently terrible luck with the RNG, but since RoI, I've noticed that the education trait that's given to children is a lot more random. Brilliant Strategist tutors produce Misguided Warriors or even Dutiful Clerics, and picking a tutor for my heir has gotten a lot more difficult now that there's no real guarantee that he/she will end up with the desired education, even if I tutor him/her myself. Has anyone else noticed this?

 

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• Apr 14, 2014

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It seems to me like it's always been this way, nothing annoys me more than having my genius son educated by a grey eminence and then he becomes a misguided warrior. I've had plenty of kids get top tier jobs after RoI though, just a matter of chance.

 

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• Apr 14, 2014

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Yeah I find it really weird that having my child trained by a strategist makes them a diplomat. IMO the game should hardcode it so that there is no random element to education beyond what level you get. After all, if I get taught by a diplomat, I'm not going to somehow know how to lead men, as that was not the qualification of my teacher.

 

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• Apr 14, 2014

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spartanlemur said:

Yeah I find it really weird that having my child trained by a strategist makes them a diplomat. IMO the game should hardcode it so that there is no random element to education beyond what level you get. After all, if I get taught by a diplomat, I'm not going to somehow know how to lead men, as that was not the qualification of my teacher.

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Should depend on the child, too. A child gets might be under a diplomat's tutelage, but if he starts getting high martial stats and traits like wroth, it's not unreasonable that as he gets older and more free to roam the land, he'll be attracted to soldiers and generals, befriending them and learning from them, and eventually forsaking his "official" education for his own interests.

On the other hand, in-game this does seem to work a lot more randomly. I've seen Misguided Warriors with 0 Martial who were taught by a steward since they were 0(I.E my ruler was a Midas Touched, and the guardian assigned later was too). That really doesn't make much sense :wacko:

 

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erwi8891 said:

It seems to me like it's always been this way, nothing annoys me more than having my genius son educated by a grey eminence and then he becomes a misguided warrior. I've had plenty of kids get top tier jobs after RoI though, just a matter of chance.

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Can confirm this, I still play 2.0.4 and it happens. Not RoI exclussive.

 

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Pilot00 said:

Can confirm this, I still play 2.0.4 and it happens. Not RoI exclussive.

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Yeah, but it seems to happen a *LOT* more often now...

 

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• Apr 14, 2014

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Personal experience means nothing, it's not statistically meaningful.

Perhaps you just had a stroke of bad luck with the RNG with your game. On my current game, the opposite is happening, all my children had obtained the intended educational trait except for one single excepcion (martial-educated son gets elusive shadow).

So, perhaps it's just you

 

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• Apr 14, 2014

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I'd have to say it's probably just bad luck, or your memory screwing with you. I don't recall this happening that much; and I remember reading somewhere that people often remember things that go against their expectations (a kid tutored by a grey eminence becoming a misguided warrior) more vividly than things that are expected and normal (a kid tutored by a grey eminence becoming a grey eminence).

 

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• Apr 14, 2014

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It's happened consistently over three generations where at least one child (out of about three or four) does not end up with the expected education trait, but as a lot of people have stated, there's really no statistical evidence to back up any claim that changes to education have been made. I just wanted to see if others were having trouble with this.

 

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• Apr 14, 2014

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Someone had posted a huge statistical analysis a few months back, I'll try and find it.

 

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• Apr 14, 2014

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According to CK2 wiki, here are the odds for education:

http://www.ckiiwiki.com/Education#Education_traits

it's based on this post by Arumba:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?683397-Education-Trait-Outcomes-An-experiment

The data is almost a year old and a lot may have changed since then. It would be interesting to get a new data set based on 2.1.3.