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Not my fault that you so utterly fail to comprehend the nature of the analogy.

And it's not my loss, it's Paradox's. In the week just before the Steam announcement, I bought LoR, TOG, SoA, and SoI at full price through GG, hoping that they'd address some of the issues I had with the vanilla release.

I didn't wait for some goofy Steam sale, I paid full price ($40?) for the products because I thought Paradox was one of the few good companies left in the video game. I put up with having to use the GG in-game store to get access to the DLC, instead of the traditional downloadable file, because I had already purchased them before realizing that change had been made by GG.

Paradox outright told a customer that actively cared to go to hell.

But all you need to do is to install Steam, then install CK II + all your DLC´s. You can play CK II while not being logged on Steam and Steam uses 0 % Resources as long as you are not logged into it. The only time you would need to temporarily use Steam is when an Update is released which doesn´t sound to taxing in my opinion.

Also you are aware that we would end up with a less good CK II if the GG version would be kept and updated. With only one variant of the game Paradox can put all effort into perfecting it rather then keeping two versions up and running. Paradox made a mistake when they didn´t chose exclusive Steam right away, not the other way around.
 
Did i miss something?

I have the GG version with dozens of dlc's but i haven't got receive any steam key for the game.
Steam is installed and i use it 1-2 per week to play Rome 2...

Do i have to contact PI for the steam key or GG?

Please... Why didn't the people read the start post?

Hi.

Here is what we are going to try to do, if all technical issues works out well..

As the non-steam version is taking way too much time in maintaining, as well as holding us back from adding more functionality, like decent multiplayer, we want to progress away from that version.

We will stop updating the Gamersgate version, and provide those that bought the game there steamkeys for their ck2 games and dlc, so they can get everything in their steam-library instead.

They just want to do it. They hadn't do it now. They first have to cleare some issues.
 
I've seen Steam, I've seen what it does, I've read up on what it does, and I'm not putting up with that.

It's immediately obvious that you haven't seen what it does. And if you have read up on what it does, you've read something written by someone who also hasn't seen what it does.

You can promise me until the sun goes out that Steam won't do it, and frankly, I don't give a damn.

And finally, we've come to it. An opinion/theory/point of view is only any good if it can be changed. If your theory can explain anything, then it allows for anything and in a sense gives no new information. If an opinion can't be swayed, it's immune to new information and is disconnected with objective reality on a fundamental level. The mental map you have built of the territory known as "Steam" doesn't in any way correspond to what a person were to find if they actually went to that place. And all to satisfy some fear of some imagined bogeyman who has a keen interest in the contents of your hard drive and your porn watching habits (Which I imagine are both equally unremarkable).

(I'm calling your opinion worthless here. Just so we're clear)

And the only reason GG isn't "carrying out service" on my car is because Paradox is bailing on their obligation to provide the same service to their GG customers that they provide to their Steam customers.

I guess you'll be joining that guy from 25 or so pages ago who is taking Paradox to court to get his refund, then?

The car analogy stands, and all the "but if we twist your analogy up into a pretzel this way you don't have a point" bullcrap that people are trying to pass off as valid arguments won't change that it stands.

You don't have a point, and it's precisely because your analogies are so easily twistable. Soft, lacking any hard backing whatsoever.

Not my fault that you so utterly fail to comprehend the nature of the analogy.

He comprehends it just fine. The point you're making is that this switch is causing you inconvenience. His point is that, functionally, nothing has changed except the name of service you use to receive the game.

And it's not my loss, it's Paradox's. In the week just before the Steam announcement, I bought LoR, TOG, SoA, and SoI at full price through GG, hoping that they'd address some of the issues I had with the vanilla release.

...You waited until a few weeks ago to get SoI? I don't think Paradox is missing out on all that much.

Paradox outright told a customer that actively cared to go to hell.

[video=youtube;G2y8Sx4B2Sk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk[/video]





To keep the conversation back on topic: When the change does happen, will keys for the game/DLC be individualized? That is to say, not all part of a package with one key? If so this could be a great opportunity for former GG users who already have the game/DLC on Steam to get a friend into CKII. In a way I'm almost jealous.

If any GG user absolutely objects to using Steam and wants to have nothing to do with their keys, I'll gladly take them off your hands when the time comes. :)
 
It's immediately obvious that you haven't seen what it does. And if you have read up on what it does, you've read something written by someone who also hasn't seen what it does.

Yeah, I'm simply imagining the hours I've spent undoing the mess that Steam has made on other people's computers. :glare:


(I'm calling your opinion worthless here. Just so we're clear)

Thank you for finally admitting that you never had a motive beyond slamming anyone who dared question Steam.

The point you're making is that this switch is causing you inconvenience.

I guess I should consider it a breakthrough that you comprehend and admit that there might be a problem even to that tiny degree.

I guess you'll be joining that guy from 25 or so pages ago who is taking Paradox to court to get his refund, then?

The law is an ass. I know better than to waste my time and money on expecting the legal system to resemble anything like a justice system. Even on the remote chance that I won, add up the hours, and my refund would represent a terrible investment of my time.

...You waited until a few weeks ago to get SoI? I don't think Paradox is missing out on all that much.

I spent $40 on DLC, in order to give the game a second chance, because I have that much respect for Paradox as a designer of games.

And for that, I've been told to go to hell.


If any GG user absolutely objects to using Steam and wants to have nothing to do with their keys, I'll gladly take them off your hands when the time comes. :)

I plan to burn mine.
 
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My apologies for playing thread cop for a second, especially as I'm not wholly innocent in this myself, but...

Aren't you three, over the last two pages, doing exactly what a moderator told you not to do - ie, bickering about Steam in an acrimonious manner instead of talking about Steam keys for GG users? Or have I, like, totally misread your conversation?
 
I've had good experiences and bad experiences with steam.

I have only had good experiences with Gamersgate. Ergo I'm a GG supporter. And why shouldn't I be?

As a customer and an end user why would I and all the other GG supporters be happy about a change over to steam? Our service and experience is great where it is.
You steam supporters MOSTLY sound like fanboys, as I suppose we GG supporters sound like to you. But no-one can ignore the huge freedom a GG version gives the customer especially compared to the steam version.

Now most of us sensible GG supporters acknowledge the fact that PI want to make updating this game easier by only making/updating a single "version" and we accept that it is currently inefficient for them and something has to be done. But the true motive of making steam that one version is money, and the happy benefit of that is more exposure for their games and the added ability the money gives them with improving there current and future games. But why float our freedom away to steam? why not get rid of the steam version and keep the GG version instead? They couldn't fix their own problems(like the metaserver) so they give up and just leave it in someone elses hands.

There was a time when gamersgate was 95% of PI sales for very good reason. And all my games are in that one convenient place, and my service there is VERY good. Patches don't frighten me there, they are very easy and forgiving.
Steam is UNREMORSEFUL, if I make a mistake with my updating I am screwed, my older un-updated mods will cease to work and I can never get back to that version. If I get a new computer and dont have access to my backups I AM SCREWED. If my PC dies and I lose my files I AM SCREWED. Gamersgate simply does not have any of those problems. Every version and possible combination of the game is available there.

A famous quote comes to mind to which I am going to paraphrase. "I would sign a pact with the devil if it meant defeating my enemy", in this case is it really sensible to jump fully into bed with steam to fix our problems, when with perseverance we can solve them ourselves?

To make this post conform to some content guidelines. I have a question to which I already assume I know the answer. If i get a steam key for my game will I be able to install version 1.01 of CK2 like I can with my gamersgate copy? Will you be able to provide me with the same service patch wise I currently have with my gamersgate version?
 
My apologies for playing thread cop for a second, especially as I'm not wholly innocent in this myself, but...

Aren't you three, over the last two pages, doing exactly what a moderator told you not to do - ie, bickering about Steam in an acrimonious manner instead of talking about Steam keys for GG users? Or have I, like, totally misread your conversation?
Yes they are, and as a consequence infractions have been handed out and this thread will now be closed. Sorry Johan, I kept it open for as long as I could, I really tried ... !
 
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