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I started as a count of Luxembourg under the Duke of Niederlothringen (swmh naming) who went on to become a super duke. He had the duchy of Moselle, Brabant and a few others.

So I fabricated my way to owning all the four counties of de jure Luxembourg. By this time my liege, the super duke, had also created the Duchy of Luxembourg.

So I saved up enough money, hired mercs and declared an Independence war. It was tough but due to an alliance with the equally massive Duchy of Carinthia, I was able to overcome and win the war.

I quickly pause the game and prepare to usurp the Duchy of Luxembourg when my new liege, the Holy German Emperor, transfers my vassalage to the duke I just fought with. The very next day!

I was so frustrated. I mean, here I am, a count holding all the provinces of de jure Luxembourg and this Duke gets me back just because he has the title!

Would it make sense to at least have a cooldown period before you can ask for vassal transfers?
 
You can't even usurp the duke title unless you have a strong claim on it. Fabricate a claim by plot or chancellor and then war for the duchy title, not independence.

And of course the Emperor transferred you back. You caused the Duke's opinion of the Emperor to drop by 100 due to desires county of X penalties and were an upstart with no claim. I would do the same.
 
Yeah, when you're playing as a count that's a vassal to a duke it's never worth it to fight for independence because the Emperor will always transfer you back to the same duke. Instead, plot to fabricate a claim on the Duchy and then fight to overthrow the duke.