Vassalizing Holy Orders/Mercs

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• Sep 12, 2013

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I'm play an MP game with a friend in which we intend to convert over to EU4 upon completion. I'm play as the restored Roman Empire, and I have intentions to convert the empire to Catholic. Since that opens up Holy Orders to me at some point, I was wondering how you could go about vassaling them. I know that doing so reduces their maintenance significantly, and that is something I want to take advantage of as the Muslims dominate our game.

Any and all help would be appreciated.

 

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To vassalize a holy order, the easiest way is to grant them a duchy inside your de jure kingdom, and suggest them vassalization. If you're not catholic, you won't even have that option.

 

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It doesn't just reduce the maintenance significantly. It makes it 0. So you just hire them once and can keep them raised the entire game.

Edit: That's only true for holy orders.

 

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you need same religion and same culture to get them accept your vassalisation.

 

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kevindrosario said:

It doesn't just reduce the maintenance significantly. It makes it 0. So you just hire them once and can keep them raised the entire game.

Edit: That's only true for holy orders.

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so it does not work for Varangians / ERE or Ghanian band/Mali?

 

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• Sep 12, 2013

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soturi said:

you need same religion and same culture to get them accept your vassalisation.

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Only same religion. If you have the same culture, they will accept your vassalization offer as a king. But if you are an emperor, you don't need same culture.

Samuil said:

so it does not work for Varangians / ERE or Ghanian band/Mali?

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What I meant was that maintenance is 0 only for vassalized holy orders. For vassalized mercs, you still have to pay a small amount, though that amount is much, much less than what you'd pay if they weren't vassalized.

 

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Does the AI ever do this? Besides with the already existing varangian (sp?) guaall d?

Also would other natons still be able to hire them if they are not active in the field?

All the holy orders in my game are stuck at 0 manpower for eternity for some reason it seems.

 

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I vassalized the Teutonic Order with Miaphysite Nubia once.

Managed to get a claimant into my realm, landed him, pressed his claim, and voila, vassal Teutons.

 

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Gruzmog said:

Does the AI ever do this? Besides with the already existing varangian (sp?) guaall d?

Also would other natons still be able to hire them if they are not active in the field?

All the holy orders in my game are stuck at 0 manpower for eternity for some reason it seems.

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to answer your second question; holy orders can be hired by other nations, thats why you should just keep them in the field coz it wont cost you anything anyways. for merc's its just like varangian guard, meaning that others cant hire them.

 

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• Sep 13, 2013

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Thank you all for your replies. Holy Orders aren't available yet, but this will definitely help me when the time comes.

Is the protocol the same for vassalizing merc bands?

 

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Im not sure abt mercs, never tried to vassalize them, but I've seen them take over weak kingdoms, so it might be the same to give them some land, be same religion and then vassalize them.

 

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Mercs are a bit tricky... You can't really GIVE them SOME land... What you have to do is not pay them, Make them invade a piece of land that isn't apart of your main Kingdom, (They invade the De Jure Kingdom of the province they are in) Lose to them, then get the dejure Title above their new duchy (It HAS to be a duchy to work, other wise the Duke Merc title trumps any De Jure county ties.) Then, you can vassalize, assuming your relations are too low from the war.