Tutors/Stats

FrontLine1111 · Jun 4, 2013

I haven't played CK2 in quite a while - I'm in my first game since the republic dlc came out, playing as Wessex. I'm having a hard time figuring out how or if it's possible anymore to have any influence over the stats of your heirs. My wife has great stats and is a genius. She also has all good traits. I've made her the tutor for my children but despite her great stats (and her being their mother), all my kids have crappy stats. Does the tutor not matter as much anymore? Also, the mother's stats aren't that important?

Lord Xia · Jun 4, 2013

My kids seem to end up average no matter what. Base stats between 2-7, most being 3-5. EVen if my ruler, created with base stats at least 10, and a great wife, the kids are rarely anything special. I've pretty much given up trying to breed good heirs, it's just a crap shoot.

Bonestaak · Jun 4, 2013

Your wife's base stats could be quite average if you discount the +5 from genius and all the other virtue modifiers. You should check out this thread for more information behind the ordeal that is breeding an awesome dynasty: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...de-to-CKII&p=13554468&viewfull=1#post13554468 .

Ahaz Flagg · Jun 4, 2013

You can on average train 4 children per ruler's life. You must train your own kids for stats, placing them with the AI is a pathway to destruction. You must be able to have the children ward events to make a good kid. Plan to do this at all times. Right now my Heir who is 16 has 31 Steward, 27 Military, 17 Diplomacy 11 Intrigue and 14 learning. This is a 4th generation Heir, and it is because I alwayas train my heirs.

On a side note, unless you are using Elective Sucession, there is no point in caring about your training. The key is to plan for your leader to train two batches of kids. First batch is for your early kids, pick your best 2 and train them. Once your wife reaches 40ish, dump her and bring in a fresh young wife. She should have 2 kids fairly fast, this is your second batch and where your heir should come from.

You can with one parent having genius trait carry this for the whole game, just always have fall back plan!!

FrontLine1111 · Jun 4, 2013

Bonestaak said:
Your wife's base stats could be quite average if you discount the +5 from genius and all the other virtue modifiers. You should check out this thread for more information behind the ordeal that is breeding an awesome dynasty: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...de-to-CKII&p=13554468&viewfull=1#post13554468 .

I had forgotten about the primary/secondary parent effect on base stats. However, there seems to be some different behavior with respect to the guardian affecting base stats. I think maybe it used to be the guardian's modified stats that affected the child's stat gain and now maybe it's base. It seems different though.

FrontLine1111 · Jun 4, 2013

Ahaz Flagg said:
You can on average train 4 children per ruler's life. You must train your own kids for stats, placing them with the AI is a pathway to destruction. You must be able to have the children ward events to make a good kid. Plan to do this at all times. Right now my Heir who is 16 has 31 Steward, 27 Military, 17 Diplomacy 11 Intrigue and 14 learning. This is a 4th generation Heir, and it is because I alwayas train my heirs.

On a side note, unless you are using Elective Sucession, there is no point in caring about your training. The key is to plan for your leader to train two batches of kids. First batch is for your early kids, pick your best 2 and train them. Once your wife reaches 40ish, dump her and bring in a fresh young wife. She should have 2 kids fairly fast, this is your second batch and where your heir should come from.

You can with one parent having genius trait carry this for the whole game, just always have fall back plan!!

Yeah, I remember this, but my wife's stats in this case were nearly triple mine in many cases which is why I made her the guardian. Apparently even in this situation you should still raise them yourself.

Ahaz Flagg · Jun 4, 2013

Yup the AI trains crap most of the time. They could take a Stong Genius and ruin it!!

grisamentum · Jun 4, 2013

Bonestaak said:
Your wife's base stats could be quite average if you discount the +5 from genius and all the other virtue modifiers. You should check out this thread for more information behind the ordeal that is breeding an awesome dynasty: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...de-to-CKII&p=13554468&viewfull=1#post13554468 .

Uh, almost everything in that link is wrong. It's all been long disproven. DNA does nothing except affect appearance.

FrontLine1111 · Jun 4, 2013

grisamentum said:
Uh, almost everything in that link is wrong. It's all been long disproven. DNA does nothing except affect appearance.

Would you mind sharing a link to something that is accurate? Does anyone know how this works?

Aerrae · Jun 4, 2013

Pugman said:
Yeah, I remember this, but my wife's stats in this case were nearly triple mine in many cases which is why I made her the guardian. Apparently even in this situation you should still raise them yourself.

Whatever the stats, train those kids yourself. If your children are girls or bastard boys just send them out to vassals/spymaster/other councillors/liege/pope for good relations.

Ahaz Flagg · Jun 4, 2013

Aerrae said:
Whatever the stats, train those kids yourself. If your children are girls or bastard boys just send them out to vassals/spymaster/other councillors/liege/pope for good relations.

And this is good advice!! As you train your keepers, the stats get bigger. The main thing for me is this, Get an heir Midas Touched ASAP!! Once you have this happen, you should be fine for rest of the game. Unless you have a random death. That is why you should make plans to train 4 kids!! Also, never rule as a women. They hardly ever birth past 40. Where as your men can for right now have kids into their late 70's. Also it is a good idea to keep one male family member as your Marshal and Marshal tranier. Never underestimate how useful it is to keep 6 or 7 military guys in your court. When you can place 3 25+ generals in your army, you will thank me!!

JvK1791 · Jun 4, 2013

You need to check this thread out by Arumba. He tested this out:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...Trait-Outcomes-An-experiment&highlight=arumba

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