Switzerland creation is wrong in eu4
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Keep the discussion going for enough time and eventually you should get somebody here, who will tell you, that it was in vain ;-)
Nevertheless, your intentions are right and Switzerland deserves (much!) more detail in the game.
Maybe he did use Wiki to easily show people how things really were.
Fact is, Switzerland in EU3 was stupid since it didn't even have half of its modern area back in 1399. Even in 1444, there are several provinces that should be given to someone else - and considering the size of Switzerland and Savoy, it is quite a big deal for the area.
On the other hand, I also think going from 2 to 7 provinces was ludicrous. Deserves 5 provinces at most, probably 4 though (in which case, just 1 province should be shifted to Savoy).
Asking to downsize your country to be more historical is quite the opposite of what you find sometimes in the various Balkan threadsYou know, I never expected to see a Swiss nationalist starting threads
Worse than having Geneva given to France in HOI3?
Yeah, if Switzerland didn´t control some provinces historicaly AND it is known (which it is), I see no reason why not to change it. Also, it would help Milan which I want be playing as, so do it!
I hope Paradox, or any self respecting company will ever allow themselves to be less accurate than Wikipedia. At least I hope.
Another thing, more easily changed: If starting at any date after the Reformation, Schwyz and Valais should still be Catholic.
This kind of amused me. Most 'self respecting company's' Don't have the resources to afford to be more accurate than wikipedia. If wikipedia wasn't more capable of data-gathering, than the 'average company', it wouldn't exist. The only companies that can afford to be more accurate are companies who specialise. In the case of paradox history is 1 of their specialties, so in some cases they are likely to be more accurate. In other instancies they will take liberties for the sake of game-play which will make things less accurate. As a result in the end it's likely to be less accurate as a whole compared to wikipedia, despite a large amount of research.
I do agree with you. To be honest, my post serves merely as a joke, and should not be treated seriousely. However, I do think Paradox can, and ought to do better in terms of historical accuracy. Especially when the mistake is clearly presented and not too hard to fix.
Worse than having Geneva given to France in HOI3?
O-o I never played HOI3 so I had no idea... That is T_T... Paradox we exist!!! I swear Switzerland has actually people in it! XD
Nothing is minor changes when you have hundreds of other things to do. The best way to get a change like this done is to do the work required. I.e. upload a zip file with everything needed to make these changes, including complete province history files for all provinces concerned and make sure they mesh and don't conflict with anything in the diplomacy or war files or any decision or mission.
At first I was sceptical about this idea. But after a while I warmed to it. I would now gladly accept a more fractured Switzerland. I think it would make it a more fun country to play, and also make the countries around it more fun.
Realism should be strived for to the extend it doesn't seriously impair gameplay. This change wouldn't seriously ruin gameplat so I would like it in the game.
Realism should be strived for to the extend it doesn't seriously impair gameplay. This change wouldn't seriously ruin gameplat so I would like it in the game.
Well it's hard for non-paradox employee's to pole when a 'conflict' will arrise for a game that's not out yet. Best case for us would be to make it for EU3 instead. So that we'd be able to test it. But than you still don't know if porting it will work. Maybe once the game is out and files are supplied that it will be possible to fix it in a patch.
The setup for Western Europe hasn't changed all that much from EU3 so if you'd make it from EU3 files it wouldn't be too much work to then port it to EU4.
I would like to try on EU3 in order to port it in EU4, if only I had a clue about how to do that
Nevertheless, I would be pleased to support you in the historical background or in anything more than I already wrote before in this thread. In that case, please contact me.NB. I am not an nationalist, anyway it is difficult to define Switzerland as a nation since there are only a few elements shared by all - the "cantons" are the nations in a certain way - (this also should be correctly shown in the game) :
- 4 different languages : http://official-swiss-national-languages.all-about-switzerland.info/
- 2 different religions : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Karte_Religionen_der_Schweiz_2008.png
... and a "civil" war about it : http://everything2.com/title/Battle+of+Kappel
- 4 "cultures" - at the start of the game - germanic (alemannisch), roman (arpitan, italian, rethic)
* http://www.francoprovencal.com/public/romance_languages_arpitan_francoprovencal_en.png
* http://home.arcor.de/owbbayreuth/karten/karten.htm
Actually, I believe that Switzerland could have likely been either
- integrated into France/Germany/Italy at different points of time
- expanded to all or some of the Savoy and Burgondy states, Swabes provinces, and/or North of Italy
- or remained as a small block of german speaking Alps provinces (like in 15th century)
Currently, it looks like these scenarios will not be playable, since the starting point is wrong. This decreases drastically the historicality of the game, and removes some interesting challenges.
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If that is what Paradox needs, I will take the information in the thread to attempt to recreate what has been described and do this for you. I was planning of including this in an EU4 mod I had in mind.
Contact me if I can help you or give you any feedback on your progress.
At the moment, I renamed the provinces and changed the capitals of Freiburg and Wallis to Vaud (c: Lausanne) [German: Waadt] and Valais (c: Sion) [German: Wallis]. Chur has been renamed Graubünden [Italian: Grigioni].
V+V both start under Savoy.
Valais transfers in 1529.3.12 to the Swiss. (when it became an associate member).
Vaud transfers in 1536.1.1 (no day and month) as that was when the area was annexed.
V + V cultures changed to Burgundian.
Swiss trade goods: Bern and Zurich changed to Cloth, Valais changed to Wine.
As this is your concept Seb, feed me the information and I will change it where it is possible. Ticino seems out of the question though, as that requires a map change. Graubünden being independent seems out of the question due to being a new nation as well. Only editing province history files as Captain Gars commented.
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I hope you will do this ingame what is discussed here, i hope that you will make poland NOT being in PU with lithuania 1444. Otherwise you will get angry iwanow thread.
Anyway, i suppose that removing PU until 1447 isn't much, but adding this changes might be bit more work(aspecialy adding new tag is lot of work). But it doesn't mean you shouldn't listen to your fans. Or sometimes, add up things to your pile of work, a thing that is optional, or to be done near-before release. If you do this, i will congratulate you for your good work.
I fully agree
Western Swiss should be Burgundian, as Savoie, this region having been Burgundian since the germanic people drove south (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Le_royaume_Burgonde_au_Ve_siècle.png). Arpitan is not a dialect of Occitan, it was a language as such (as Italian is to French today) - it is nor a "langue d'oil" nor a "langue d'oc", but a different group of dialects, apart of those, probably coming from a mix of latin, burgundian and celtic (I can find only this link to show it on internet, here called franco-provençal : http://francoprovencal.free.fr/historique.html)
I think it would valuable also to add the catholic/protestant borders within switzerland, "farmers" provinces having more chance to stay catholic than the "city" states (that was the main logic at that time).
Image of 1399 - http://imgur.com/7tMRJxB
I fixed it. I had my gut instinct on Burgundian. I should have followed that, I ended up crossing an unreliable source.
I don't think anything affecting the chance will be possible. However, Paradox has it so they all go reformed, I can easily modify it so it is more of a patchwork between the areas, using that earlier source you quoted in the thread.
Issues so far:
- League of Cambrai bookmark has Savoy split in two, will see what would be the best for this moment of time.
Image - http://imgur.com/bBw0mst
I fixed it. I had my gut instinct on Burgundian. I should have followed that, I ended up crossing an unreliable source.
I don't think anything affecting the chance will be possible. However, Paradox has it so they all go reformed, I can easily modify it so it is more of a patchwork between the areas, using that earlier source you quoted in the thread.
Issues so far:
- League of Cambrai bookmark has Savoy split in two, will see what would be the best for this moment of time.
Image - http://imgur.com/bBw0mst