I am curious what sort of festivals were common for the slavic pagans? I am hoping that each religious group can get a small event celebrating their festivals to help with immersion/flavor
Well, they are somewhat similar for all Indo-European pagans.
Slavic feasts are mainly related to Solstices and Equinoxes (the feasts of "Maslenitsa" in spring with ritual burning of a straw figure, representing winter, summer Solstice "Kupala" and the ritual mass bathing in rivers and jumping over the bonfires, big Harvest feasts in Autumn, and Koleda in Winter analogous to trick-or-treat Halloween or Christmas carols singing)
Maslenitsa was celebrated approximately at spring equinox time (snow is still around at that time in Russia) and was a feast of letting the winter go with ritual burning of a straw figure, representing the winter. Ritual pancakes were also eaten in numbers.
Fairs were usually held at Maslenitsa times.
Some ethnic music for the atmosphere:
Also Kupala, or the midsummer day, when Slavs do basically what other Europeans do on midsummer.
Some moar music for the atmosphere
Tivertsi and Ulichs and I think I understand the chain of historical events. So these tribes were living there from the 8th to 10th centuries, but were not much affected by the Hungarian migrations, but were then driven North by the other Steppe peoples, hence why they're not there in 1066. Ok.
Staraya Ladoga but that doesn't mean that the whole area was inhabited by Slavic tribes. If you look at this map and this one (in Russian), it shows the Slavs only occupying part of that area, whereas the rest is Finnic. I would say the way to represent that is a Finnic population being ruled over by a Slavic (or Norse) character in-game.
cool pictures and music As a neo-pagan following irish paganism; I can see a good bit of similarities between Maslenitsa and imbolc and Kupala with Beltaine. I do hope that a small event for these events can be in the game.
Just to say it.
Edit: Svevishni (Свевишњи) if you speak about one and ultimate highest God.
Speaking of music, soundtrack from "The Witcher" fits perfectly
It is very nice thread, I have to give you the credit.
And I do not want to spoil it, but I have to state, again, that I am really against this upcoming dlc and starting date. By my opinion it should start at earliest on 1054 and finished as it is now 1453 (full 400 years) with focus on Christian (and eventualy muslim) nobility and there interactions and wars. This is very nice thematic for different kind of game (maybe a game for mechanic and period from 700 to 1100).
Aside from that, here are few things to add to your thread.
Serbs (especially those who adopted orthodox Christianity) still use (celebrate) many things from pagan period that are shown on your picks. Someone already mentioned “slava” that you have in post above where you have a “lunch” (trpeza) with candles. Custom in the spring with flower coronets (usually on the. St.Georges day) and most important burning the trees or branches that is still in use on a Christmass day eve, either in front of churches or in homes. And everybody gather around. And the more sparkle the burning tree made it means more joy and happiness in that year. It is all a bit modified as Danubian Cossack said.
And actually the main reason why majority of serbs accepted east over west Christianity (and they could both since they where located where this two meet) was that east one was more flexible and west more rigid and Byzantine missionaries let people leave there own pagan custom and incorporate them into new adopted religion, opposite of westerners who where more strict. So it did stay until nowadays.
About separation (or uniqueness) of south Slavic tribes. My opinion is that it should be just two (croats and serbs) and Bulgarian if you speaking of slavinized Bulgars. As the rest were more tribes of the same “nation” . Byzantines called Serbs by that name but also were known as Triballs (spel?) because of the fact that whole population was made of many smaller tribes united under one name.
And one more thing (question). Some of these Slavic people where in two places at the same time. Like Wends that you have it in west group but starching all the way to south. Or Serbs who partially came to Balkan peninsula and partly stayed in what is today east Germany. I know that they are two different nations today (one almost completely distinguish (and the other on the good way on the same path )), and thay are called different Sorbs, and Serbs, but they were the same at the time (and they still call themselves the same “Srbi”. Do you think that should be represented or not?
And I almost forgot about these ladies
Mithology and legends from pagan era present untill today.
And my favourite Ravijojla.
Not sure how this would help game...but it's fun and connected with the thread, I guess.
I'm an Atheist personally, but I've always had a strong interest in ancient religions. One thing I've always wanted to know about Neo-Pagans is; do you actually believe in the existence of the old Gods? i.e. Do you worship Lugh or the Dagda or Danu? Or do you just believe in a vague "Nature Spirits" type thing?
And what do you think about other people's pagan gods, like Odin or Perun, or Shiva for that matter? Do you believe they all exist, or what?
As for other gods in different pantheons, I believe they are real as well. To use an anology, they are kind of like foreign governements to me. My gods are who I honor and who are more important and have an effect on my life. Other culture's gods I accept as being real but not having much effect on me normally. But to keep the foreign government analogy, if I was to say visit India, then i would make sure to respect their gods as it is their land. I hope that makes sense.
and heh for me, I had the funny thought of being an american ex-pat who would move to ireland one dayAh yes, there's always Irish ex-pats wherever you go. Though nowadays there are also plenty of Russians in Dublin.
That's kind of like believing in every religion in the world isn't it? How do you reconcile different creation myths, etc? Since every culture has it's own idea of how the world was created, you can't believe in them all can you? (Since they'd all be contradictory).
Then how do you reconcile with Scientific evidence that all Humans originated in Africa 100,000 years ago? If those original people only had one set of Gods, then where did all the later Gods come from? I mean, Scientifically we would just explain it as people inventing deities to try to understand a complex world with phenomena that they just had no knowledge of. Or do you just not believe in Evolution and Science, etc?
I must say, I do find it interesting how modern people can begin to believe in ancient religions again. I don't know, we're getting sidetracked with this though.
I don't know much about slavic relgions at all, but after hearing this...
makes me think of Spice and Wolf, an anime show about a trader and a pagan god, holo, goddess of harvest.Maslenitsa was celebrated approximately at spring equinox time (snow is still around at that time in Russia) and was a feast of letting the winter go with ritual burning of a straw figure, representing the winter. Ritual pancakes were also eaten in numbers.
Fairs were usually held at Maslenitsa times.
Though there was a tendency among British folklorists to assume that every tradition was a secret pagan survival, even when there was no evidence of a tradition being more than 200 years old. That was when they weren't being outright frauds and inventing 'millenia old' ceremonies themselves.
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Myths are first and formost stories, and I do not believe that they are literal but instead they do hold some meaning that is relevent to that culture and people. But even if they are not literal, that does not mean they can not be true. Their is meaning and truth in most myths.
I am a scientist, I work on computers, well the web to be specific but still :P Science and religion are not enemies, and the wonders of science can support religion in my view. I see no disconenct in being a polytheist and also enjoying the wonders that science brings.
Though to bring this back on track; I think that pagan religions IG should not have religious penalties if someone is a differnet religion. Since in the pagan kingdoms they did not mind others following different gods provided they were loyal to the king. Now this does not stop the christians/muslims from hating you though.