@Hibernian
*sigh* The thing with Wikipedia is that it's an encyclopedia every-fecking-one can edit xD. And that Moscow prehistory section is the most ridiculous shite I've read in a good while
There are Baltic, Finnic and Slavic etymologies to the name of Moscow, and I'm inclined towards the former being the most probable (beacuse the majority of other toponymics, f.ex. "Mojaisk", in the region is Balto-Slavic too). Anyways even on the in-game map it would look more nicely to give it to Viatichi. "The earliest East Slavic tribes recorded as having expanded to the upper Volga in the 9th to 10th centuries are the Vyatichi and Krivichi."
I'm talking about White Croatia, of which modern Zakarpatye is a small part.
There were, at least near the lake Blatno http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balaton_Principality
The Primary Chronicle states the following:
"...The Avars were large of stature and arrogant of spirit, and God destroyed them. They all perished, and not one Avar survived. There is to this day a proverb in Rus' which runs, “They perished like the Avars.” Neither race nor heir of them remains. The Pechenegs came after them, and the Magyars passed by Kiev later during the time of Oleg."
Whether it's a historic anecdote or some substantial info is up to everyone to decide.
I'd say that "Abauj" represents Zakarpatie also. But whatever floats your boat. The map is... well mostly correct in terms of the game
*sigh* The thing with Wikipedia is that it's an encyclopedia every-fecking-one can edit xD. And that Moscow prehistory section is the most ridiculous shite I've read in a good while
There are Baltic, Finnic and Slavic etymologies to the name of Moscow, and I'm inclined towards the former being the most probable (beacuse the majority of other toponymics, f.ex. "Mojaisk", in the region is Balto-Slavic too). Anyways even on the in-game map it would look more nicely to give it to Viatichi. "The earliest East Slavic tribes recorded as having expanded to the upper Volga in the 9th to 10th centuries are the Vyatichi and Krivichi."
I'm not sure which area you're talking about though. Do you mean the area of modern-day Zakarpattia Oblast of Ukraine? If so, I think that area is represented on the CK2 map as the county of Bereg, which I already have as Slavic.
I'm talking about White Croatia, of which modern Zakarpatye is a small part.
Yeah that's approximately where I've put them, though I don't know whether there was Slavs living there too.
There were, at least near the lake Blatno http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balaton_Principality
Well they weren't wiped out, their Khanate was defeated but they were definately still the majority of the population in parts of Hungary, since they were still there when the Magyars came (and probably assimilated them). Probably it was mostly Slavic on the West side of the Danube and mostly Avar on the East side. You could probably move the cultures around a bit to make it more realistic.
The Primary Chronicle states the following:
"...The Avars were large of stature and arrogant of spirit, and God destroyed them. They all perished, and not one Avar survived. There is to this day a proverb in Rus' which runs, “They perished like the Avars.” Neither race nor heir of them remains. The Pechenegs came after them, and the Magyars passed by Kiev later during the time of Oleg."
Whether it's a historic anecdote or some substantial info is up to everyone to decide.
As for the Abauj county in the game, I think that area represents Northern Hungary (the modern country's borders), which is flat, not mountainous. Look, here's the map that I worked out for where modern countries are located on the CK2 map:
I'd say that "Abauj" represents Zakarpatie also. But whatever floats your boat. The map is... well mostly correct in terms of the game
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