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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarenarass View Post
    Why thank you... now let us just hope it is noticed by those producers... yesss. According to them the Aztec idea was made the same way. A "zombie" or "undead" theme I would find interesting, but we should give the history people what they want first... two of these DLC sorts at once would be too much for them to handle. Lol
    I had toyed around with an event chain for vampires, jedi, undead etc. Sort of sub faction fighting within kingdoms, so you'd have two characters going to war because they were of opposing sub factions, either individually through events or actually using armies on the map. Neat thing is it could be done with historical factions or fantasy factions as listed above

    Here are the overbuffed aztecs just before 1100

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  2. #42
    They hit me with a 100k doomstack in Spain while simultaneously hitting norther Brittania. Given that they only hit around 1250 (a little before I think), I had just shy of 1000 counties in my empire. To make a long story short, they split their doomstack, got owned and even brought another 50k units (maybe transferred from the Britannia hit). It took me a few years to completely eliminate them from the map and get some easy free land as well (holy war/break truce/holy war). They are quite a bit easier to deal with than the Golden Horde or the Ilkhanate. If they hit in the early/mid 1100s (like the poster above mentions), things would be very different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarenarass View Post
    There is one major flaw with Sunset Invasion... its goal was to bring a Pagan threat to Western Europe. Now Western and Eastern Europe tremble!... but what about Central Europe? Have we forgotten about them?

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    I think it sounds amazing. Now we only need a way to get Italy and all of Europe shall have a reason to fear... begin brainstorming, my friends. I must rest now.
    Why not just have Panserbjørne invade from Svalbard...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarenarass View Post

    I think it sounds amazing. Now we only need a way to get Italy and all of Europe shall have a reason to fear... begin brainstorming, my friends. I must rest now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuthuthulu View Post
    Lol. xD I forgot all about the Fatimids.. guess that is that.

    Perhaps the Fatimids could rediscover some alien technology that their ancient ancestors apparently used to build the pyramids and conquer Europe? Lol.
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    In my current game the Aztecs are useless. They landed in Portugal took a small chunk of Southwestern Iberia. The declared war on France and their their iberian holdings. The 173,000 man doomstack took a French county and hasn't moved since. their war with France has sat at 32% war score for DECADES. They only move to fight a rebel uprising. Or a crusade that NO ONE joins. It's very dumb.

  7. #47
    While Aztec succeses varies I do think they are a bit underpowerd. Most likely Paradox thinks its walking on egg shells and did not want to make the Aztecs to obtrusive fearing even more community backlash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olaus Petrus View Post
    I don't know if it's a real issue. Historically the Mongols often allowed native lords to rule their lands as long as they paid tribute and recognised overlordship of the khan. And there's plenty of examples when Russian princes revolted against the Golden Horde. Unless Aztecs bring their own administration and bureaucracy overseas then they must rely to vassal lords. I'm not expert in Mesoamerican history, but I believe that Aztec Empire made other tribes and city states to pay tribute to them instead of completely annexing them. So having them to rely on to foreign vassals in Europe doesn't sound that unrealistic.
    But were not talking historically, but game mechanics.
    For a ruling culture/religion to survive in power in game it needs to have atleast 1/3rd of the land/vassals of the realm. Or else it wont have enough of a foundation to fight off civil wars, plots or factions.
    If the AI is winning the war on battles in after only 3 provinces have been occupied, then the invasion is over as most likely they will accept the first factions demands against them and even if they refuse it they have no chance of lasting when 9/10 vassals are hostile.
    Thats how the game works. If youre powerless and all your vassals hate you, youre going to lose. And with how soon the Aztecs accept peace theyre always poweless and they never have enough friendly vassals to counter the hostile.

    If you use the console to give_title's to the Aztecs in that intial kingdom they conquer so they have that power base to work from, then they actually pose a threat to their neighbours, they can keep their vassals under control and so theyre free to invade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinsul View Post
    But were not talking historically, but game mechanics.
    For a ruling culture/religion to survive in power in game it needs to have atleast 1/3rd of the land/vassals of the realm. Or else it wont have enough of a foundation to fight off civil wars, plots or factions.
    If the AI is winning the war on battles in after only 3 provinces have been occupied, then the invasion is over as most likely they will accept the first factions demands against them and even if they refuse it they have no chance of lasting when 9/10 vassals are hostile.
    Thats how the game works. If youre powerless and all your vassals hate you, youre going to lose. And with how soon the Aztecs accept peace theyre always poweless and they never have enough friendly vassals to counter the hostile.

    If you use the console to give_title's to the Aztecs in that intial kingdom they conquer so they have that power base to work from, then they actually pose a threat to their neighbours, they can keep their vassals under control and so theyre free to invade.
    I'm just saying that it makes sense also from the historical perspective. And when we are thinking about the gameplay aspect we notice that Aztecs are made weak on purpose. They don't get similar doomstack reinforcements as the Mongols etc. and I believe it's a design decision that in most games they conquer kingdom or two before they become weaker and Western Europe can strike back.
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  10. #50
    I think the Aztecs are a bit too weak as an invasion force for how late in the game they appear. Modding the files so they appear a century sooner makes them a greater threat without making them overpowered.

    In the game I just started(at 1249) the Aztecs took all of Galicia and Cornwall before stalling in an invasion for England. The slow down was due to England having troops comparable to their largest stack and winning the battle between the stacks. Then a crusade was called for Galicia and the HRE joined.

  11. #51
    In my game they've taken all of France and England by 1290. Not too bad. But I do wish they were a little more powerful. They're definitely not as tough as the hordes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu Stacey View Post
    Why not just have Panserbjørne invade from Svalbard...........
    Yeah. Why not?

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    i'm sure the Aztecs wouldn't even be able to get over the sea with out losing most of their invasion force not even sure how they figured Europe was over there in the first place, wonder who would win out of Aztecs or Romans at each others height of power.

  14. #54
    Further tweaked my code on the last page, here is what I am using now, they come in about the same time as the holy orders but before the player can become too powerful. I've toned down the numbers of knights and troops from my previous code, and they won't get the pox for 50-100 years or so.

    Code:
    ###################################
    #
    # SUNSET INVASION
    # - The Fantasy Menace
    #
    ###################################
    
    # Written by Henrik Fåhraeus and Henrik Eklund
    
    namespace = SSI
    
    # First Contact - Beads and Feathers
    province_event = {
    	id = SSI.1
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_001"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_explorers"
    	border = "GFX_event_normal_frame_war"
    	
    	trigger = {
    		has_dlc = "Sunset Invasion"
    		year = 1120
    		NOT = { year = 1400 }
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_explorers }
    		OR = {
    			province_id = 1 # Vestisland
    			province_id = 9 # Connacht
    			province_id = 35 # Inse Gall
    			province_id = 31 # Cornwall
    			province_id = 104 # Cornouaille
    			province_id = 149 # Bordeaux
    			province_id = 156 # Coruna
    			province_id = 162 # Silves
    			province_id = 841 # Tangier
    			province_id = 845 # Anti-Atlas
    		}
    	}
    	
    	immediate = {
    		set_global_flag = aztec_explorers
    		set_province_flag = aztec_explorers
    		activate_title = { title = e_mexikha status = yes }
    		hidden_tooltip = {
    			e_mexikha = {
    				holder_scope = {
    					narrative_event = { id = SSI.2 days = 7 }
    				}
    			}
    		}
    	}
    	
    	mean_time_to_happen = {
    		months = 720
    		modifier = {
    			factor = 0.5
    			year = 1175
    		}
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_001"
    	}
    }
    
    # Rumors of people from across the Atlantic
    narrative_event = {
    	id = SSI.2
    	title = "EVTNAME_SSI_002"
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_002"
    	major = yes
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_explorers"
    	border = "GFX_event_narrative_frame_war"
    	
    	is_triggered_only = yes
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		FROM = { owner = { NOT = { character = PREVPREV } } }
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_002"
    	}
    }
    
    # First Landing of the Aztecs
    province_event = {
    	id = SSI.3
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_003"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_normal_frame_war"
    	
    	trigger = {
    		year = 1120
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_arrival }
    		had_province_flag = { flag = aztec_explorers days = 730 }
    	}
    	
    	immediate = {
    		set_global_flag = aztec_arrival
    		culture = nahuatl
    		religion = aztec
    		e_mexikha = {
    			holder_scope = {
    				narrative_event = { id = SSI.4 }
    			}
    		}
    	}
    	
    	mean_time_to_happen = {
    		months = 6
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_003"
    	}
    }
    
    # First Landing of the Aztecs
    narrative_event = {
    	id = SSI.4
    	title = "EVTNAME_SSI_004"
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_004"
    	major = yes
    	hide_new = yes
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_narrative_frame_war"
    	
    	is_triggered_only = yes
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		FROM = { owner = { NOT = { character = PREVPREV } } }
    	}
    	
    	immediate = {
    		wealth = 30000
    		FROM = {
    			kingdom = {
    				ROOT = {
    					war = {
    						casus_belli = tribal_invasion
    						target = PREVPREV # The top liege of the province owner
    						thirdparty_title = PREV # The de jure kingdom
    					}
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = no
    			age = 27
    			attributes = {
    				martial = 14
    			}
    			trait = brilliant_strategist
    		}
    		new_character = {
    			spawn_unit = {
    				province = FROM
    				home = FROM
    				troops =
    				{
    					heavy_infantry = { 12000 12000 }
    					light_infantry = { 6000 6000 }
    					knights = { 400 400 }
    					archers = { 6000 6000 }
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = no
    			age = 25
    			attributes = {
    				martial = 12
    			}
    			trait = brilliant_strategist
    		}
    		new_character = {
    			spawn_unit = {
    				province = FROM
    				home = FROM
    				troops =
    				{
    					heavy_infantry = { 11000 11000 }
    					light_infantry = { 6000 6000 }
    					knights = { 300 300 }
    					archers = { 5000 5000 }
    					pikemen = { 300 300 }
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = no
    			age = 25
    			attributes = {
    				martial = 12
    			}
    			trait = brilliant_strategist
    		}
    		new_character = {
    			spawn_unit = {
    				province = FROM
    				home = FROM
    				troops =
    				{
    					heavy_infantry = { 11000 11000 }
    					light_infantry = { 5000 5000 }
    					knights = { 200 200 }
    					archers = { 5000 5000 }
    					pikemen = { 300 300 }
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		
    		random = {
    			chance = 99
    			create_character = {
    				random_traits = yes
    				dynasty = random
    				religion = aztec
    				culture = nahuatl
    				female = no
    				age = 24
    				attributes = {
    					martial = 12
    				}
    				trait = brilliant_strategist
    			}
    			new_character = {
    				spawn_unit = {
    					province = FROM
    					home = FROM
    					troops =
    					{
    					heavy_infantry = { 9000 9000 }
    					light_infantry = { 5000 5000 }
    					knights = { 200 200 }
    					archers = { 5000 5000 }
    					pikemen = { 200 200 }
    					}
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		
    		random = {
    			chance = 99
    			create_character = {
    				random_traits = yes
    				dynasty = random
    				religion = aztec
    				culture = nahuatl
    				female = no
    				age = 25
    				attributes = {
    					martial = 12
    				}
    				trait = brilliant_strategist
    			}
    			new_character = {
    				spawn_unit = {
    					province = FROM
    					home = FROM
    					troops =
    					{
    					heavy_infantry = { 9000 9000 }
    					light_infantry = { 5000 5000 }
    					knights = { 200 200 }
    					archers = { 5000 5000 }
    					pikemen = { 200 200 }
    					}
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		
    		random = {
    			chance = 99
    			create_character = {
    				random_traits = yes
    				dynasty = random
    				religion = aztec
    				culture = nahuatl
    				female = no
    				age = 28
    				attributes = {
    					martial = 12
    				}
    				trait = brilliant_strategist
    			}
    			new_character = {
    				spawn_unit = {
    					province = FROM
    					home = FROM
    					troops =
    					{
    					heavy_infantry = { 9000 9000 }
    					light_infantry = { 5000 5000 }
    					knights = { 200 200 }
    					archers = { 5000 5000 }
    					pikemen = { 300 300 }
    					}
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		
    		# Ships
    		if = {
    			limit = {
    				FROM = { 
    					OR = {
    						province_id = 1 # Vestisland
    						province_id = 9 # Connacht
    						province_id = 35 # Inse Gall
    						province_id = 31 # Cornwall
    					}
    				}
    			}
    			FROM = {
    				sea_zone = {
    					ROOT = {
    						spawn_unit = {
    							province = PREV
    							home = FROM
    							owner = ROOT
    							earmark = aztec_invasion_fleet
    							troops =
    							{
    								galleys = { 1200 1200 }
    							}
    						}
    					}
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		
    		# Some extra courtiers
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = no
    			age = 16
    		}
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = no
    			age = 18
    		}
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = no
    			age = 18
    		}
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = no
    			age = 20
    		}
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = no
    			age = 25
    		}
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = no
    			age = 26
    		}
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = no
    			age = 28
    		}
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = no
    			age = 16
    		}
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = no
    			age = 17
    		}
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = no
    			age = 18
    		}
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = no
    			age = 16
    		}
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = yes
    			age = 16
    		}
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = yes
    			age = 17
    		}
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = yes
    			age = 18
    		}
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = yes
    			age = 18
    		}
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = yes
    			age = 20
    		}
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = yes
    			age = 16
    		}
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = yes
    			age = 16
    		}
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_004"
    	}
    }
    
    # Second Landing of the Aztecs
    province_event = {
    	id = SSI.5
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_005"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_normal_frame_war"
    	
    	trigger = {
    		year = 1120
    		has_global_flag = aztec_arrival
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_arrival_2 }
    		OR = {
    			province_id = 1 # Vestisland
    			province_id = 9 # Connacht
    			province_id = 35 # Inse Gall
    			province_id = 31 # Cornwall
    			province_id = 104 # Cornouaille
    			province_id = 149 # Bordeaux
    			province_id = 156 # Coruna
    			province_id = 162 # Silves
    			province_id = 841 # Tangier
    			province_id = 845 # Anti-Atlas
    		}
    	}
    	
    	immediate = {
    		set_global_flag = aztec_arrival_2
    		culture = nahuatl
    		religion = aztec
    		e_mexikha = {
    			holder_scope = {
    				narrative_event = { id = SSI.6 }
    			}
    		}
    	}
    	
    	mean_time_to_happen = {
    		months = 12
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_005"
    	}
    }
    
    # Second Landing of the Aztecs
    narrative_event = {
    	id = SSI.6
    	title = "EVTNAME_SSI_006"
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_006"
    	major = yes
    	hide_new = yes
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_narrative_frame_war"
    	
    	is_triggered_only = yes
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		FROM = { owner = { NOT = { character = PREVPREV } } }
    	}
    	
    	immediate = {
    		FROM = {
    			kingdom = {
    				ROOT = {
    					war = {
    						casus_belli = tribal_invasion
    						target = PREVPREV # The top liege of the province owner
    						thirdparty_title = PREV # The de jure kingdom
    					}
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = no
    			age = 30
    			attributes = {
    				martial = 12
    			}
    			trait = brilliant_strategist
    		}
    		new_character = {
    			spawn_unit = {
    				province = FROM
    				home = FROM
    				troops =
    				{
    					heavy_infantry = { 12000 12000 }
    					light_infantry = { 6000 6000 }
    					knights = { 500 500 }
    					archers = { 6000 6000 }
    					pikemen = { 400 400 }
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = no
    			age = 25
    			attributes = {
    				martial = 12
    			}
    			trait = brilliant_strategist
    		}
    		new_character = {
    			spawn_unit = {
    				province = FROM
    				home = FROM
    				troops =
    				{
    					heavy_infantry = { 11000 11000 }
    					light_infantry = { 5000 5000 }
    					knights = { 300 300 }
    					archers = { 5000 5000 }
    					pikemen = { 300 300 }
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		
    		create_character = {
    			random_traits = yes
    			dynasty = random
    			religion = aztec
    			culture = nahuatl
    			female = no
    			age = 25
    			attributes = {
    				martial = 12
    			}
    			trait = brilliant_strategist
    		}
    		new_character = {
    			spawn_unit = {
    				province = FROM
    				home = FROM
    				troops =
    				{
    					heavy_infantry = { 11000 11000 }
    					light_infantry = { 5000 5000 }
    					knights = { 200 200 }
    					archers = { 5000 5000 }
    					pikemen = { 300 300 }
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		
    		random = {
    			chance = 99
    			create_character = {
    				random_traits = yes
    				dynasty = random
    				religion = aztec
    				culture = nahuatl
    				female = no
    				age = 24
    				attributes = {
    					martial = 12
    				}
    				trait = brilliant_strategist
    			}
    			new_character = {
    				spawn_unit = {
    					province = FROM
    					home = FROM
    					troops =
    					{
    					heavy_infantry = { 10000 10000 }
    					light_infantry = { 5000 5000 }
    					knights = { 200 200 }
    					archers = { 5000 5000 }
    					pikemen = { 200 200 }
    					}
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		
    		random = {
    			chance = 99
    			create_character = {
    				random_traits = yes
    				dynasty = random
    				religion = aztec
    				culture = nahuatl
    				female = no
    				age = 25
    				attributes = {
    					martial = 12
    				}
    				trait = brilliant_strategist
    			}
    			new_character = {
    				spawn_unit = {
    					province = FROM
    					home = FROM
    					troops =
    					{
    					heavy_infantry = { 9000 9000 }
    					light_infantry = { 6000 6000 }
    					knights = { 200 200 }
    					archers = { 5000 5000 }
    					}
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		
    		random = {
    			chance = 99
    			create_character = {
    				random_traits = yes
    				dynasty = random
    				religion = aztec
    				culture = nahuatl
    				female = no
    				age = 28
    				attributes = {
    					martial = 12
    				}
    				trait = brilliant_strategist
    			}
    			new_character = {
    				spawn_unit = {
    					province = FROM
    					home = FROM
    					troops =
    					{
    					heavy_infantry = { 8000 8000 }
    					light_infantry = { 5000 5000 }
    					knights = { 100 100 }
    					archers = { 5000 5000 }
    					}
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		
    		# Ships
    		if = {
    			limit = {
    				FROM = { 
    					OR = {
    						province_id = 1 # Vestisland
    						province_id = 9 # Connacht
    						province_id = 35 # Inse Gall
    						province_id = 31 # Cornwall
    					}
    				}
    			}
    			FROM = {
    				sea_zone = {
    					ROOT = {
    						spawn_unit = {
    							province = PREV
    							home = FROM
    							owner = ROOT
    							earmark = aztec_invasion_fleet
    							troops =
    							{
    								galleys = { 1200 1200 }
    							}
    						}
    					}
    				}
    			}
    		}
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_006"
    	}
    }
    
    # Aztec Invasion Fleets disband
    character_event = {
    	id = SSI.100
    	hide_window = yes
    	
    	trigger = {
    		has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_invasion_fleet_disbanded }
    		had_global_flag = { flag = aztec_arrival days = 18250 }
    	}
    	
    	mean_time_to_happen = {
    		months = 1
    	}
    	
    	immediate = {
    		disband_event_forces = aztec_invasion_fleet
    		set_global_flag = aztec_invasion_fleet_disbanded
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "OK"
    	}
    }
    
    # Aztecs Thrown Back Into the Sea
    narrative_event = {
    	id = SSI.105
    	title = "EVTNAME_SSI_105"
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_105"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_narrative_frame_war"
    	
    	major = yes
    	
    	trigger = {
    		has_global_flag = aztec_arrival_2
    		has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    		has_earmarked_regiments = 0
    		is_landed = no
    	}
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		ai = no
    	}
    	
    	immediate = {
    		activate_title = { title = e_mexikha status = no }
    		set_global_flag = aztecs_defeated
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_105"
    	}
    }
    
    # Aztecs Fight Incas
    narrative_event = {
    	id = SSI.30
    	title = "EVTNAME_SSI_030"
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_030"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_narrative_frame_war"
    	
    	major = yes
    	
    	trigger = {
    		has_global_flag = aztec_arrival
    		has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_incas }
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztecs_defeated }
    	}
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		ai = no
    	}	
    	
    	mean_time_to_happen = {
    		months = 220
    	}
    	
    	immediate = {
    		set_global_flag = aztec_incas
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_030"
    	}
    }
    
    # Aztecs Pacify Northern Plains
    narrative_event = {
    	id = SSI.31
    	title = "EVTNAME_SSI_031"
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_031"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_narrative_frame_war"
    	
    	major = yes
    	
    	trigger = {
    		has_global_flag = aztec_arrival
    		has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_plains }
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztecs_defeated }
    	}
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		ai = no
    	}	
    	
    	mean_time_to_happen = {
    		months = 220
    	}
    	
    	immediate = {
    		set_global_flag = aztec_plains
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_031"
    	}
    }
    
    # Food From the Americas
    narrative_event = {
    	id = SSI.35
    	title = "EVTNAME_SSI_035"
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_035"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_narrative_frame_war"
    	
    	major = yes
    	
    	trigger = {
    		has_global_flag = aztec_arrival
    		has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_food }
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztecs_defeated }
    	}
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		ai = no
    	}	
    	
    	mean_time_to_happen = {
    		months = 220
    	}
    	
    	immediate = {
    		set_global_flag = aztec_food
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_035"
    	}
    }
    
    # Aztecs Hold Iceland
    character_event = {
    	id = SSI.40
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_040"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_normal_frame_war"
    	
    	major = yes
    	
    	trigger = {
    		has_global_flag = aztec_arrival
    		has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    		completely_controls = d_iceland
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_iceland }
    	}
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		ai = no
    	}	
    		
    	immediate = {
    		set_global_flag = aztec_iceland
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_040"
    	}
    }
    
    # Aztecs Hold Ireland
    character_event = {
    	id = SSI.41
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_041"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_normal_frame_war"
    	
    	major = yes
    	
    	trigger = {
    		has_global_flag = aztec_arrival
    		has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    		completely_controls = d_ulster
    		completely_controls = d_connacht
    		completely_controls = d_meath
    		completely_controls = d_leinster
    		completely_controls = d_munster
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_ireland }
    	}
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		ai = no
    	}	
    		
    	immediate = {
    		set_global_flag = aztec_ireland
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_041"
    	}
    }
    
    # Aztecs Hold Britain
    character_event = {
    	id = SSI.42
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_042"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_normal_frame_war"
    	
    	major = yes
    	
    	trigger = {
    		has_global_flag = aztec_arrival
    		has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    		completely_controls = d_northumberland
    		completely_controls = d_lancaster
    		completely_controls = d_york
    		completely_controls = d_norfolk
    		completely_controls = d_oxford
    		completely_controls = d_bedford
    		completely_controls = d_hereford
    		completely_controls = d_gloucester
    		completely_controls = d_canterbury
    		completely_controls = d_somerset
    		completely_controls = d_gwynedd
    		completely_controls = d_cornwall
    		completely_controls = d_galloway
    		completely_controls = d_western_isles
    		completely_controls = d_lothian
    		completely_controls = d_albany
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_britain }
    	}
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		ai = no
    	}	
    		
    	immediate = {
    		set_global_flag = aztec_britain
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_042"
    	}
    }
    
    # Aztecs Hold London
    character_event = {
    	id = SSI.43
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_043"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_normal_frame_war"
    	
    	major = yes
    	
    	trigger = {
    		has_global_flag = aztec_arrival
    		has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    		completely_controls = c_middlesex
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_london }
    	}
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		ai = no
    	}	
    		
    	immediate = {
    		set_global_flag = aztec_london
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_043"
    	}
    }
    
    # Aztecs Hold Paris
    character_event = {
    	id = SSI.44
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_044"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_normal_frame_war"
    	
    	major = yes
    	
    	trigger = {
    		has_global_flag = aztec_arrival
    		has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    		completely_controls = c_ile_de_france
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_paris }
    	}
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		ai = no
    	}	
    		
    	immediate = {
    		set_global_flag = aztec_paris
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_043"
    	}
    }
    
    # Aztecs Hold Rome
    character_event = {
    	id = SSI.45
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_045"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_normal_frame_war"
    	
    	major = yes
    	
    	trigger = {
    		has_global_flag = aztec_arrival
    		has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    		completely_controls = c_roma
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_rome }
    	}
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		ai = no
    	}	
    		
    	immediate = {
    		set_global_flag = aztec_rome
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_043"
    	}
    }
    
    # Aztecs Hold Constantinople
    character_event = {
    	id = SSI.46
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_046"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_normal_frame_war"
    	
    	major = yes
    	
    	trigger = {
    		has_global_flag = aztec_arrival
    		has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    		completely_controls = c_byzantion
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_constantinople }
    	}
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		ai = no
    	}	
    		
    	immediate = {
    		set_global_flag = aztec_constantinople
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_043"
    	}
    }
    
    # Aztecs Hold Cordoba
    character_event = {
    	id = SSI.47
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_047"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_normal_frame_war"
    	
    	major = yes
    	
    	trigger = {
    		has_global_flag = aztec_arrival
    		has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    		completely_controls = c_cordoba
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_cordoba }
    	}
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		ai = no
    	}	
    		
    	immediate = {
    		set_global_flag = aztec_cordoba
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_043"
    	}
    }
    
    # Aztecs Hold Cairo
    character_event = {
    	id = SSI.48
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_048"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_normal_frame_war"
    	
    	major = yes
    	
    	trigger = {
    		has_global_flag = aztec_arrival
    		has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    		completely_controls = c_cairo
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_cairo }
    	}
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		ai = no
    	}	
    		
    	immediate = {
    		set_global_flag = aztec_cairo
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_043"
    	}
    }
    
    # Aztecs Sacrifice Prisoner
    character_event = {
    	id = SSI.60
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_060"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_normal_frame_war"
    	
    	is_triggered_only = yes
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_060"
    	}
    }
    
    # Aztecs Sacrifice Occupied Province Character
    character_event = {
    	id = SSI.61
    	hide_window = yes
    	
    	ai = yes
    	
    	is_triggered_only = yes
    	
    	trigger = {
    		in_command = no
    		prisoner = no
    		age = 16
    		NOT = { religion = aztec }
    		NOT = {
    			any_liege = {
    				has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    			}
    		}
    		new_character = {
    			OR = {
    				has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    				any_liege = {
    					has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    				}
    			}
    		}
    	}
    	
    	immediate = {
    		liege = {
    			character_event = { id = SSI.62 }
    		}
    		death = { death_reason = death_sacrificed }
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "OK"
    	}
    }
    
    # Liege Informed of Sacrifice
    character_event = {
    	id = SSI.62
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_060"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_normal_frame_war"
    	
    	is_triggered_only = yes
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_060"
    	}
    }
    
    # Aztecs Bring Syphilis
    narrative_event = {
    	id = SSI.70
    	title = "EVTNAME_SSI_070"
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_070"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_explorers"
    	border = "GFX_event_narrative_frame_war"
    	
    	trigger = {
    		has_global_flag = aztec_arrival
    		has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_syphilis }
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztecs_defeated }
    	}
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		ai = no
    	}	
    	
    	mean_time_to_happen = {
    		months = 150
    	}
    	
    	immediate = {
    		set_global_flag = aztec_syphilis
    		activate_disease = syphilis
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_070"
    	}
    }
    
    Aztecs Struck by Smallpox
    narrative_event = {
    	id = SSI.71
    	title = "EVTNAME_SSI_071"
    	desc = "EVTDESC_SSI_071"
    	
    	picture = "GFX_evt_aztec_arrival"
    	border = "GFX_event_narrative_frame_war"
    	
    	major = yes
    	
    	trigger = {
    	year = 1170
    		has_global_flag = aztec_arrival
    		has_global_flag = aztec_syphilis
    		has_landed_title = e_mexikha
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztecs_defeated }
    		NOT = { has_global_flag = aztec_smallpox }
    	}
    	
    	major_trigger = {
    		ai = no
    	}	
    	
    	mean_time_to_happen = {
    		months = 600
    	}
    	
    	immediate = {
    		set_global_flag = aztec_smallpox
    	}
    	
    	option = {
    		name = "EVTOPTA_SSI_071"
    	}
    }



    Quote Originally Posted by Killzemall View Post
    i'm sure the Aztecs wouldn't even be able to get over the sea with out losing most of their invasion force not even sure how they figured Europe was over there in the first place, wonder who would win out of Aztecs or Romans at each others height of power.
    Agree on point one.

    However if the vikings can find the americas the aztecs can find europe , even if the vikings were the masters of sea so to speak, it isn't out of the realms of possibility other ships made it with small raiding parties (small being the key to why the vikings made it and were so successful).

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    Quote Originally Posted by markmid View Post
    Agree on point one.

    However if the vikings can find the americas the aztecs can find europe , even if the vikings were the masters of sea so to speak, it isn't out of the realms of possibility other ships made it with small raiding parties (small being the key to why the vikings made it and were so successful).
    They'd first have to get from South America to somewhere north of the Florida peninsula otherwise they'd be sailing into the wind trying to cross the Atlantic & be far too susceptible to hurricanes destroying their ships.
    The vikings went from Scandinavia to Iceland then Greenland before getting to North America which being a number of smaller crossings is far more likely to be successful than a single crossing of the Atlantic. They also established colonies at each point along the way which made the possibility of further exploration easier and more likely to result in success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markmid View Post
    However if the vikings can find the americas the aztecs can find europe , even if the vikings were the masters of sea so to speak, it isn't out of the realms of possibility other ships made it with small raiding parties (small being the key to why the vikings made it and were so successful).
    Vikings had a long tradition of seafaring and oceangoing ships. Aztecs had no naval tradition and absolutely no shipbuilding technology.
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    Aztec had no naval technology to even conquer Caribbean islands how the heck they could have come to Europe over the Atlantic when civilization that had a lot more advanced naval technology and experiences where not able to do that?
    Even European colonializing new world was slow that took long period of exploration and building colonies from scratch.

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